Bible Topic Thread (merged)

#978
#978
lawgator1 said:
Ha! I'll try to be parsimonious.

Was the role of religion in politics discussed in the thread before? I admit I did not read all of it.

My position on the topics at hand:

1) I am taught that in order to go to Heaven one must accept Jesus as his lord and saviour and ask to be forgiven his sins. While we all know that we will fall short of acting on Earth in a way that is consistent with the way we are supposed to, and that Jesus was sent to tell us that its "going to be okay," that does not give us license to sin without remorse or consequence. Only those who really repent will reform in some measure.

2) Our world has a bad history of mixing politics and religion. Everyone seems to think that their belief system would be good for the rest of the world. I, personally, would appreciate it very much if God would give us some guidance on this sometime in the near future.
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1) Bravo

2) We are to be "in this world" not "of this world"...that tells me that God knows that the world will not follow him, but Christians are to keep spreading the truth even to those that will NEVER believe. God also commands us to obey our government. That does not mean that we can not try to change it. ( I hope the end comes soon also)
 
#979
#979
T-TownVol said:
Backsliding is just another term for sin. As a Christian, your sins are already forgiven. A man named Jesus took care of that. The Holy spirit convicts you of your sins and you feel bad about them. But please do not confuse that with losing your Salvation.
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Yea, I gathered later in life that those were all scare tactics. There are plenty of them in the Pentecostal teachings.
 
#980
#980
T-TownVol said:
1) Bravo

2) We are to be "in this world" not "of this world"...that tells me that God knows that the world will not follow him, but Christians are to keep spreading the truth even to those that will NEVER believe. God also commands us to obey our government. That does not mean that we can not try to change it. ( I hope the end comes soon also)
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I'm not so sure "the end" is what I had in mind, but if it is to be, it is to be.

I was thinking something more along the lines of a celestial email.
 
#981
#981
joevol320 said:
well when you became a christian, you prayed and asked for forgiveness and asked to be saved, so you're a Christian and if you're trying to live a Godly life, God will see that. he knows your going to sin but he said if you ask for forgiveness, he'll forgive you of your sins. if you were to die in an accident and your a Christian, you're going to Heaven. i don't think i'm explaining it very well
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ok, from what I take from how you've followed I'm thinking you are saying that as long as we make the effort to be sin free, we are going to Heaven. I'm assuming you would agree that no matter how much we fail at that effort, we are still going to enter Heaven simply by accepting Christ as our Savior. Is this correct?

I will add that I do feel we will be responsible for our sins we have not asked forgiveness upon entering Heaven though.

as for Kev. I can't lie, I know very little about Pentecostals. I don't feel the need to speak in tongues personally and I think baptism is just a natural step after accepting Jesus, but I don't think it's mandated. Some disagree. I always thought speaking in tongues was in order to reach others so that they could understand. But I've read some other ideas on speaking in tongues and understand where those beliefs come from. I just don't practice them. Plus I'd have no idea where or how to start.
 
#982
#982
lawgator1 said:
I'm not so sure "the end" is what I had in mind, but if it is to be, it is to be.

I was thinking something more along the lines of a celestial email.
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I know, but I could not resist. I am afraid that we have all the info we are going to get before the end.
 
#983
#983
lawgator1 said:
Ha! I'll try to be parsimonious.

Was the role of religion in politics discussed in the thread before? I admit I did not read all of it.

My position on the topics at hand:

1) I am taught that in order to go to Heaven one must accept Jesus as his lord and saviour and ask to be forgiven his sins. While we all know that we will fall short of acting on Earth in a way that is consistent with the way we are supposed to, and that Jesus was sent to tell us that its "going to be okay," that does not give us license to sin without remorse or consequence. Only those who really repent will reform in some measure.

2) Our world has a bad history of mixing politics and religion. Everyone seems to think that their belief system would be good for the rest of the world. I, personally, would appreciate it very much if God would give us some guidance on this sometime in the near future.
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might be the only time i agree w/ a gator.....guidance comes with prayer
 
#984
#984
lawgator1 said:
Ha! I'll try to be parsimonious.

Was the role of religion in politics discussed in the thread before? I admit I did not read all of it.

My position on the topics at hand:

1) I am taught that in order to go to Heaven one must accept Jesus as his lord and saviour and ask to be forgiven his sins. While we all know that we will fall short of acting on Earth in a way that is consistent with the way we are supposed to, and that Jesus was sent to tell us that its "going to be okay," that does not give us license to sin without remorse or consequence. Only those who really repent will reform in some measure.

2) Our world has a bad history of mixing politics and religion. Everyone seems to think that their belief system would be good for the rest of the world. I, personally, would appreciate it very much if God would give us some guidance on this sometime in the near future.
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God does give us guidance, we just have to ask for it.

one thing that satan is really good at is using "religion" to make people turn against God and reject his teachings. one example: that Baptist church that protests military funerals. The things they say are just not right at all. God doesn't hate gay, he hates the lifestyle. every soldier that has died whether in iraq or anywhere isn't necessarily because our nation is becoming more secular. they may mean well but they are going about it in a really bad way.

it's the same way in politics
 
#985
#985
kev20 said:
Yea, I gathered later in life that those were all scare tactics. There are plenty of them in the Pentecostal teachings.
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There are too many "for profit" preachers out there that keep you coming back, and giving, with fear.
I fear the wrath of God, but I know he will not bring it on me as a believer.
 
#986
#986
volfanbill said:
I always thought speaking in tongues was in order to reach others so that they could understand. But I've read some other ideas on speaking in tongues and understand where those beliefs come from. I just don't practice them. Plus I'd have no idea where or how to start.
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You have obviously never heard someone speak in tongues. It can be startling. As far as I know, it is just the Spirit of the Lord speaking through you. It's not something you can just do.
 
#987
#987
volfanbill said:
ok, from what I take from how you've followed I'm thinking you are saying that as long as we make the effort to be sin free, we are going to Heaven. I'm assuming you would agree that no matter how much we fail at that effort, we are still going to enter Heaven simply by accepting Christ as our Savior. Is this correct?

I will add that I do feel we will be responsible for our sins we have not asked forgiveness upon entering Heaven though.

as for Kev. I can't lie, I know very little about Pentecostals. I don't feel the need to speak in tongues personally and I think baptism is just a natural step after accepting Jesus, but I don't think it's mandated. Some disagree. I always thought speaking in tongues was in order to reach others so that they could understand. But I've read some other ideas on speaking in tongues and understand where those beliefs come from. I just don't practice them. Plus I'd have no idea where or how to start.
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if you're follow the plan of salvation as in the Bible, your'e going to become a Christian. you have to realize that you're a sinner, ask God to forgive you of the sins and ask him to come in your heart and save you from your sins. so whne your saved, you become a new person spiritually, you're going to make an effort to live a Godly life. but everyone will still sin and if one does, then he'll be convicted of that sin to make it right and ask for forgiveness. this is my experience and it's the same from friend that i've talked to.
 
#988
#988
kev20 said:
You have obviously never heard someone speak in tongues. It can be startling. As far as I know, it is just the Spirit of the Lord speaking through you. It's not something you can just do.
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you are correct, I have never heard it. But I've also never thought it was necessary. I've also been taught that if you are speaking in tongues to an audience, you must have an interpretor so you could be understood.
 
#990
#990
joevol320 said:
if you're follow the plan of salvation as in the Bible, your'e going to become a Christian. you have to realize that you're a sinner, ask God to forgive you of the sins and ask him to come in your heart and save you from your sins. so whne your saved, you become a new person spiritually, you're going to make an effort to live a Godly life. but everyone will still sin and if one does, then he'll be convicted of that sin to make it right and ask for forgiveness. this is my experience and it's the same from friend that i've talked to.
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so for you and everyone else, what is your views on sins we have not asked forgiveness for once we reach Heaven?
 
#991
#991
kev20 said:
Yea, I gathered later in life that those were all scare tactics. There are plenty of them in the Pentecostal teachings.
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Kev, I'm curious. If you were indeed given the gift of tongues and spoke in tongues and it is a real thing then why would you question it? I'm not pentecostal, the entire in law side is so I think I'm fairly well versed. I always said I didn't think I could do it. In fact, it frightens me. I was visiting a church of God one Sunday with a girlfriend and she said "OK, if anyone is going to speak in tongues it usually happens now" and I grabbed her arm beggin her not to leave me :birgits_giggle: I mean I was half way joking around but all I could think was everyone was gonna go out of their heads and I'd be among a sea of weird words and grunts. Really freaked me out. My husband to this day says he's not sure he ever did it. he says he remembers going through the motions but was not sure if he was just doing what everyone else did. Then the faith healing, Lord, my in laws do this all the time overseas where they do all their mission work. They were with that Benny Hinn guy for a while but now are on their own. Anyway, did that happen at your church as well?
 
#994
#994
volfanbill said:
you are correct, I have never heard it. But I've also never thought it was necessary. I've also been taught that if you are speaking in tongues to an audience, you must have an interpretor so you could be understood.
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You are correct as well.

1 Corinthians 14:5 (King James Version)




5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
 
#995
#995
volfanbill said:
you are correct, I have never heard it. But I've also never thought it was necessary. I've also been taught that if you are speaking in tongues to an audience, you must have an interpretor so you could be understood.
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that is correct....some of my wifes family is pentacostal and speak in tounges...but yes an interpretor is supposed to be present but i have never had one tell me whats being said and i don't agree with that
 
#996
#996
kev20 said:
You are correct as well.

1 Corinthians 14:5 (King James Version)




5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
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I had forgotten where it was, but that same letter goes on to talk about being able to interpret what is being said. That if no one understands your tongue, then you aren't reaching out to anyone. Friends that have seen it have talked about being frightened and some were just upset because no one was there to intrepret what was said and they felt it was wrong. I know of one friend who actually walked out and left because of that.
 
#997
#997
Volnissniss said:
Kev, I'm curious. If you were indeed given the gift of tongues and spoke in tongues and it is a real thing then why would you question it?

They were with that Benny Hinn guy for a while but now are on their own. Anyway, did that happen at your church as well?
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Nope, my church was never affiliated with an outside ministry, as far as I knew. They always did stuff on their own. Like I said, the pastor is kind of a nut job. He fought the government for I don't know how many years about broadcasting a radio show illegally from the church, building permits, speeding tickets, etc. He even went on the Phil Donahue show many years back speaking out against the gays.

Oh yea, and I forgot to mention the many book burnings held in the front parking lot of the church.
 
#999
#999
I believe that the person that spoke in the tongue must also interpret so as to be held accountable for his speech. I truely believe that it is done in todays Church as tradition and not truely speaking from God.
 
#1,000
#1,000
volfanbill said:
I had forgotten where it was, but that same letter goes on to talk about being able to interpret what is being said. That if no one understands your tongue, then you aren't reaching out to anyone. Friends that have seen it have talked about being frightened and some were just upset because no one was there to intrepret what was said and they felt it was wrong. I know of one friend who actually walked out and left because of that.
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Yes, this happened often, but people spoke in tongues so often, as if it were just part of their natural response, that there wasn't always an interpretation. I remember that only on those occasions that there was an interpretaion, the person speaking in tongues was often the loudest person in the room.
 
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