Biden The Warhawk

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Grand Vol said:
Okay, I'm unfamiliar with the Gillette story.
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ajvol covered it. It's generally the concept that the continuing market you create is worth more than the original product. Security alarms aren't worth nearly as much as the service, razor handles are nothing compared to a captive market for the blade that fits, etc. Gilette put his safety razors in kits distributed to WW2 servicemen; they continued to buy his blades after the war.
 
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AM64 said:
That's the one. I really miss Paul Harvey and The Rest of the Story.
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Amazing how so many of these “elites” believe in the fantasy of a utopian society.

It’s very odd how prevalent and recurring that idea is among the “elite” crowd.
 
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Grand Vol said:
The will to win? That depends greatly on your definition of "win."

Going in and destroying not only a nation's ability to make war, but destroying their will to wage it as we did in WWII? No...

Protracted conflicts in which we try to introduce western style democracy and nation build in an endless occupation that drains manpower and treasury with no end in sight before calling it a "win"? ****in A, Bubba, that's 'Murica!
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Calling that a win is the same a a UT football "moral victory". Useless.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Well, there's a will to enrich politicians at the expense of American lives.

Pretty strong one too
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Not only enrich politicians but bring home the pork to your district. Keep getting billions dumped on your district, the companies that benefit donate to your reelection, rinse and repeat for a 30 year career.
 
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Septic said:
Wat
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Just the mention of nukes and using them gets panties all wadded up. The point is that if the other side knows you won't use them, the nukes are of no value whatsoever. You at least have to keep them believing you might do it; otherwise you've wasted an incredible amount of money for nothing. Something most Americans have failed to learn even with history lessons is that using advanced tactical weaponry which exposes your own people to even a stone age enemy with millions of expendable people and places to hide them is a losing proposition. There is no way we can conventionally go head to head with extravagantly priced weapons against a country of 1.5B people even if they use rocks and spears. We have learned very little as a nation from wars in Korea, Viet Nam, and the ME sandbox ... with the possible exception of the first round in Iraq which was an aberration because Saddam built an army that didn't suit the equation.

My comment about China and nukes was in jest, but the fact remains China is our enemy of the future, and it is easier to nip problems in the bud ... and we aren't doing that. In fact, by turning our industry over to China, we are both financing their military and losing our capacity to fight it. And the ironic part is that it makes our nuclear capacity a more necessary part of the equation.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Head Of Strategic Command Warns Nuclear War With Russia, China "A Real Possibility" | ZeroHedge
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Ah, I didn't think of this angle. Setting the table for establishing Russia as the scape goat.

Escobar: Why Russia Is Driving The West Crazy | ZeroHedge

Meanwhile, on the other side of the Atlantic, under the cover of “strategic deterrence”, the head of the US STRATCOM, Admiral Charles Richard, casually let it slip that “there is a real possibility that a regional crisis with Russia or China could escalate quickly to a conflict involving nuclear weapons, if they perceived a conventional loss would threaten the regime or state.”

So the blame for the next – and final – war is already apportioned to the “destabilizing” behavior of Russia and China. It’s assumed they will be “losing” – and then, in a fit of rage, will go nuclear. The Pentagon will be no more than a victim; after all, claims Mr. STRATCOM, we are not “stuck in the Cold War”.
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Non-interventionism is actually one of those rare issues that actually has pretty decent bipartisan support, but big money loves the warfare state.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Or we just accept what every other nation that's invaded Afghanistan has learned...

You put into power the faction you want and run like hell because it's going to the dogs as soon as you leave.

Of course, Biden gets to take credit for getting us out. Thus fixing a Trump and a Bush mistake.
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Get out and leave a note promising to bomb the crap out of them as soon as they F with us again.
 
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AM64 said:
Just the mention of nukes and using them gets panties all wadded up. The point is that if the other side knows you won't use them, the nukes are of no value whatsoever. You at least have to keep them believing you might do it; otherwise you've wasted an incredible amount of money for nothing. Something most Americans have failed to learn even with history lessons is that using advanced tactical weaponry which exposes your own people to even a stone age enemy with millions of expendable people and places to hide them is a losing proposition. There is no way we can conventionally go head to head with extravagantly priced weapons against a country of 1.5B people even if they use rocks and spears. We have learned very little as a nation from wars in Korea, Viet Nam, and the ME sandbox ... with the possible exception of the first round in Iraq which was an aberration because Saddam built an army that didn't suit the equation.

My comment about China and nukes was in jest, but the fact remains China is our enemy of the future, and it is easier to nip problems in the bud ... and we aren't doing that. In fact, by turning our industry over to China, we are both financing their military and losing our capacity to fight it. And the ironic part is that it makes our nuclear capacity a more necessary part of the equation.
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I was told by a very reputable commander in the navy that china is feeling Biden out and believes they will go after Taiwan in the next year or two. I pray he is wrong.

People have no idea the horrible position we have put ourselves in due to relying on Chinese imports so much for every aspect of our lives from food to drugs.

We are literally sleeping with the enemy.
 
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volinbham said:
Get out and leave a note promising to bomb the crap out of them as soon as they F with us again.
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My thoughts exactly.

I do think there are people in the world in need of killing especially those who attack us. But I'm not a big proponent of the "invade, occupy, nation build, instill Western style democracy" to people that are barely out of the stone age.
 
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Grand Vol said:
My thoughts exactly.

I do think there are people in the world in need of killing especially those who attack us. But I'm not a big proponent of the "invade, occupy, nation build, instill Western style democracy" to people that are barely out of the stone age.
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would only have to kill less than 40 million afghans to wipe their population from the earth.
 
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Grand Vol said:
My thoughts exactly.

I do think there are people in the world in need of killing especially those who attack us. But I'm not a big proponent of the "invade, occupy, nation build, instill Western style democracy" to people that are barely out of the stone age.
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Do you think 9/11 would have happened if the US had chosen a different path for foreign policy?
 
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