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TrueOrange said:
But they already have Pittsburgh and Philadelphia as big 10 network major markets (the ones where the network makes 70 cents per household rather than just 10) if that's the case, then it sounds very much like they already have Pittsburgh and the whole state of Penn wrapped up.

It just sounds more like the "level of play argument" so I don't think Pitt is major priority to them, and they don't seem to be in the list of 4 teams said to be offered. Now perhaps though they could be the 16th team if all 4 accept, but it just isn't looking right now like the big 10 is super gung ho for them.

I do understand what you are trying to say though
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I know Rutgers is the state university of New Jersey, but how does that help with the NYC market? Camden is a suburb of Philly, which the Big 10 already has in the fold with Penn St. How many people in NYC care about Rutgers? There are a lot of New Yorkers and people from Jersey that go to/root for Penn St because it is one of the closest big athletic programs. I don't see how Rutgers provides much help there.
 
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jlovevols said:
I know Rutgers is the state university of New Jersey, but how does that help with the NYC market? Camden is a suburb of Philly, which the Big 10 already has in the fold with Penn St. How many people in NYC care about Rutgers? There are a lot of New Yorkers and people from Jersey that go to/root for Penn St because it is one of the closest big athletic programs. I don't see how Rutgers provides much help there.
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It's the big 10s logic and rationale, not mine

rutgers is near NYC, best case (note, best case, not "it's gonna happen") scenario they could get the new York area to be big 10 regional, which would mean they get a or several big 10 games shown weekly in NYC (you know like how we get multiple sec team games here)

best case scenario, they get NYC and either can expand a rutgers fanbase into it or a OSU, Michigan, or Penn st or someone further into the area (in a similar way to how, when the titans aren't playing, Indianapolis is heavily considered regional here and is always shown as the alternative when available)

why are you mentioning Camden?
know how we get varo
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#79
#79
Rutgers doesn't provide much help... I find Syracuse to be more likely. They do have a worthwhile market pull when they are on the up and up.

I think their preferred target list looks something like Nebraska, then Notre Dame, then Pitt, then Mizzou, then Syracuse.
 
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TrueOrange said:
It's the big 10s logic and rationale, not mine

rutgers is near NYC, best case (note, best case, not "it's gonna happen") scenario they could get the new York area to be big 10 regional, which would mean they get a or several big 10 games shown weekly in NYC (you know like how we get multiple sec team games here)

best case scenario, they get NYC and either can expand a rutgers fanbase into it or a OSU, Michigan, or Penn st or someone further into the area (in a similar way to how, when the titans aren't playing, Indianapolis is heavily considered regional here and is always shown as the alternative when available)

why are you mentioning Camden?
know how we get varo
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Yeah, plus it's more rumors at this point than anything else anyway. A lot of the northeast already has the Big 10 network. When I lived in Rhode Island, we had the Big 10 network. And then when BC joined the ACC, we had Big 10 and ACC games. There's nothing like those noon Northwestern/Indiana matchups to get you excited on a football Saturday.
 
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milohimself said:
Rutgers doesn't provide much help... I find Syracuse to be more likely. They do have a worthwhile market pull when they are on the up and up.

I think their preferred target list looks something like Nebraska, then Notre Dame, then Pitt, then Mizzou, then Syracuse.
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for either one, it's a move based on both getting some coverage up into the Northeast / NYC area and increasing finances

They already have Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit, Minneapolis, Cleveland, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, and Indianapolis, they want to try to get into New York

This expansion for them isn't all rep, they want Mizzou b/c it gives them the full STL area and into Kansas City too, plus they know they can easily get Mizzou.

Pitt, while it has been mentioned in rumors, wasn't part of the report for who they are targetting (the final one, that espn is following). Plus they aready have the whole state of PA (they've got philly and pittsburgh already, they have the entire state). I can see them as a good 16 team if ND does follow, but it's not a priority to them currently

As for your rankings, obviously they want ND even though it won't work b/c they're the cash cow here, they want mizzou highly b/c they know they can get them and STL and KC, they like the rep that NEB would add, but they want someone who can get them into NYC or even Boston more than they are looking for a team to increase the number of "good teams" in the conference.....this is really less of a "everyone's making fun of our teams, we need some stronger guys" move and looking more of a "we're rich and even richer thanks to how well our Network turned out, but we want even more money"
 
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What's the lure of the Big 10 for Missouri and particularly Nebraska? Is it simply a matter of money?
 
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Velo Vol said:
What's the lure of the Big 10 for Missouri and particularly Nebraska? Is it simply a matter of money?
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Mizzou completely gives them St louis and a fair/big share of kansas city.

Nebraska seems to be more about getting a team w history/legacy
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No, I'm asking why those schools would want to leave the Big 12 for the Big 10. Especially Nebraska, since it has long-time football rivalries.
 
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Behuman13 said:
$$$$$$$$
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winner winner chicken dinner

reports are that the big 10 gets about $.70 per subscriber per month for their channel. Add a big market like St Louis and some of KC and you got a nice little addition to the bottom line
 
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Velo Vol said:
No, I'm asking why those schools would want to leave the Big 12 for the Big 10. Especially Nebraska, since it has long-time football rivalries.
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I don't know nebraskas case, but mizzou is said to be getting an offer from the big 10 revenue sharing and the network income of $12 million more than they currently make with the big 12

(they get $9 million from the big 12 (its not shared evenly between teams like the SEC); the big 10 (revenue sharing) is said to be getting them $21-22 million yearly)
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TrueOrange said:
I don't know nebraskas case, but mizzou is said to be getting an offer from the big 10 revenue sharing and the network income of $12 million more than they currently make with the big 12

(they get $9 million from the big 12 (its not shared evenly between teams like the SEC); the big 10 (revenue sharing) is said to be getting them $21-22 million yearly)
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Wow. That's big. Here's an article from Barnhart that explains how the Big 12 revenue system works. Texas, Oklahoma and Nebraska get a lot more than the bottom players in the conference.

Why Arkansas will not leave the SEC | Mr. College Football
 
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Here's a look at the money provided for each Big 12 team.

1. Texas: $10.2 million
2. Oklahoma: $9.8 million
3. Kansas: $9.24 million
4. Texas A&M: $9.22 million
5. Nebraska: $9.1 million
6. Missouri: $8.4 million
7. Texas Tech: $8.23 million
8. Kansas State: $8.21 million
9. Oklahoma State: $8.1 million
10. Colorado: $8.0 million
11. Iowa State: $7.4 million
12. Baylor: $7.1 million

Source: Omaha World-Herald

And here's how the BCS-affiliated conferences rank:

1. Big Ten: $154.2 million
2. ACC: $137.6 million
3. SEC: $135 million
4. Big 12: $103.1 million
5. Pac-10: $80.1 million
6. Big East: $77.6 million

How the Big 12 teams rank in revenue-sharing funds - Big 12 Blog - ESPN
These are the numbers from 2008.
 
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I wonder how the Big 12 compares basketball TV versus football TV appearances for revenue sharing? Obviously KU isn't a very big football draw.
 
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#93
The plan is for the Big 10 to get four schools to commit. Once that happens they will have the financial prowess to make an offer to one more school to make it a 16 team conference. The final school will be Texas or Notre Dame depending on who accepts the offers first.
 
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maxxx said:
The plan is for the Big 10 to get four schools to commit. Once that happens they will have the financial prowess to make an offer to one more school to make it a 16 team conference. The final school will be Texas or Notre Dame depending on who accepts the offers first.
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Absolutely no chance of Texas.
Very slight chance of ND.
 
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maxxx said:
The plan is for the Big 10 to get four schools to commit. Once that happens they will have the financial prowess to make an offer to one more school to make it a 16 team conference. The final school will be Texas or Notre Dame depending on who accepts the offers first.
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Behuman13 said:
Absolutely no chance of Texas.
Very slight chance of ND.
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exactly. Texas already told them no when any talks of this began.

they're only looking for a 16th if notre dame becomes their 15th - which wont happen unless Notre Dame is somehow financially backed into it - if 3 say yes and ND says no, then they're going to stay at 14
 
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jlovevols said:
Here's a look at the money provided for each Big 12 team.

1. Texas: $10.2 million
2. Oklahoma: $9.8 million
3. Kansas: $9.24 million
4. Texas A&M: $9.22 million
5. Nebraska: $9.1 million
6. Missouri: $8.4 million
7. Texas Tech: $8.23 million
8. Kansas State: $8.21 million
9. Oklahoma State: $8.1 million
10. Colorado: $8.0 million
11. Iowa State: $7.4 million
12. Baylor: $7.1 million

Source: Omaha World-Herald

And here's how the BCS-affiliated conferences rank:

1. Big Ten: $154.2 million
2. ACC: $137.6 million
3. SEC: $135 million
4. Big 12: $103.1 million
5. Pac-10: $80.1 million
6. Big East: $77.6 million

How the Big 12 teams rank in revenue-sharing funds - Big 12 Blog - ESPN
These are the numbers from 2008.
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Very nice finds on both of those, this and the Barnhart one as well
 
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#98
TrueOrange said:
Very nice finds on both of those, this and the Barnhart one as well
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Thanks. :good!:

Kind of clears up how much money we're talking about. Big 12 might want to start looking around at schools who would make more with them and expand the Big 12 market. Memphis and Tulane come to mind. Maybe even Arizona or ASU. I don't see what the Big 12 would have to gain by going with schools like Tulsa, Houston, etc. that are already strong Big 12 markets.
 
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M-I-Z-V-O-L said:
Louisville is a small market, which I believe already has the BigTenNetwork..... therefore, LU wouldn't make enough money to pull its own weight. In order to make it worth it for the B10, they must believe that the addition of the school will increase revenue by enough to go around the conference. Schools make $20M in tv revenue, therefore in order to be worth it, the added school must bring in more than $20M/year in tv revenue. If the BTN is already in Louisville, then they won't be adding a market (no revenue) and LU's brand isn't national enough (like NEB or ND) for them to make it up in network contracts and add revenue.
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Wouldn't that rule out Notre Dame and Pitt then as far as the BTN?

Then tha
 
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