BIG 10 invites are out

#101
#101
Rocky Top said:
Wouldn't that rule out Notre Dame and Pitt then as far as the BTN?
Click to expand...

you're kidding right? Notre Dame is nation-wide as far as coverage, knowledge of, and marketability

As much as most of us don't like them, they have arguably the biggest fanbase and coverage in college football and are arguably one of the best known colleges in the country
 
#105
#105
Rocky Top said:
BTN is nation wide also
Click to expand...

somewhat; in the city markets the big 10 considers regional - Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit, Minneapolis, Cleveland, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, and Indianapolis - it makes 70 cents per subscriber (alot in cities with that high a populace), while elsewhere the network generates 10 cents per household

but that's beside the point; I'm not even a fan of notre dame and I realize they have one of the largest fanbases and are insanely recognizable everywhere in the country. To say that their fanbase is at the same level as Louisville's size-wise.....well that's just highly uninformed (and kinda crazy)
 
#106
#106
Rocky Top said:
If they are denying it then that pretty much means it's true..lol :)
Click to expand...

no....i'm not gauging what actually is or isnt going on after all this....but the popular thought now seems to be that the Big 10 doesnt want to announce (or have word get out) of anything involving expansions until their conference meetings/summits that they'll have in June
 
#107
#107
True,

No doubt ND has one of the biggest if not the biggest fan base in the country...not doubting that for a second. I was refering more to the BTN side of the debate. Also never said UofL's base was anywhere close to ND's.
 
#108
#108
Rocky Top said:
True,

No doubt ND has one of the biggest if not the biggest fan base in the country...not doubting that for a second. I was refering more to the BTN side of the debate. Also never said UofL's base was anywhere close to ND's.
Click to expand...

ok gotcha, looks like i misunderstood a bit
 
#109
#109
Instead of the BIG TEN trying to purge the other conferences, they need to just add one more team and adopt a conference championship game.
 
#111
#111
tigervol9802 said:
I get the Big 10 going after Rutgers, at least in theory. Same for Missouri. Notre Dame is a no-brainer. Nebraska even makes sense.

I don't get Pitt. You already have a team in that market. Makes no sense to me.

I realize football is driving this, but if they are going to do it, Kansas makes more sense to me for basketball purposes alone.
Click to expand...

Kansas would make more sense.
 
#112
#112
TrueOrange said:
for either one, it's a move based on both getting some coverage up into the Northeast / NYC area and increasing finances

They already have Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit, Minneapolis, Cleveland, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, and Indianapolis, they want to try to get into New York

This expansion for them isn't all rep, they want Mizzou b/c it gives them the full STL area and into Kansas City too, plus they know they can easily get Mizzou.

Pitt, while it has been mentioned in rumors, wasn't part of the report for who they are targetting (the final one, that espn is following). Plus they aready have the whole state of PA (they've got philly and pittsburgh already, they have the entire state). I can see them as a good 16 team if ND does follow, but it's not a priority to them currently

As for your rankings, obviously they want ND even though it won't work b/c they're the cash cow here, they want mizzou highly b/c they know they can get them and STL and KC, they like the rep that NEB would add, but they want someone who can get them into NYC or even Boston more than they are looking for a team to increase the number of "good teams" in the conference.....this is really less of a "everyone's making fun of our teams, we need some stronger guys" move and looking more of a "we're rich and even richer thanks to how well our Network turned out, but we want even more money"
Click to expand...
The whole NYC thing is a pipe dream. That market will never be sold on college football. The play is to get the rest of the northeast in general, and Syracuse (when they're successful) is the key to the rest of the state of New York. I can agree with you to some extent about Mizzou, though St. Louis/KC is the one are of the country I've never spent much time in, so I'm not sure of the pull they have on that market.

TrueOrange said:
Mizzou completely gives them St louis and a fair/big share of kansas city.

Nebraska seems to be more about getting a team w history/legacy
Posted via VolNation Mobile
Click to expand...
Nebraska is one of the most highly valuable college athletics programs in the country. They have a surprisingly large fanbase.

jlovevols said:
Here's a look at the money provided for each Big 12 team.

1. Texas: $10.2 million
2. Oklahoma: $9.8 million
3. Kansas: $9.24 million
4. Texas A&M: $9.22 million
5. Nebraska: $9.1 million
6. Missouri: $8.4 million
7. Texas Tech: $8.23 million
8. Kansas State: $8.21 million
9. Oklahoma State: $8.1 million
10. Colorado: $8.0 million
11. Iowa State: $7.4 million
12. Baylor: $7.1 million

Source: Omaha World-Herald

And here's how the BCS-affiliated conferences rank:

1. Big Ten: $154.2 million
2. ACC: $137.6 million
3. SEC: $135 million
4. Big 12: $103.1 million
5. Pac-10: $80.1 million
6. Big East: $77.6 million

How the Big 12 teams rank in revenue-sharing funds - Big 12 Blog - ESPN
These are the numbers from 2008.
Click to expand...
This is before ESPN's deal with the SEC that started last season. The SEC is the biggest bread winner of the bunch now. This is why the Big Ten is trying to expand. It's a college football arms race.
 
#113
#113
jlovevols said:
Here's a look at the money provided for each Big 12 team.

1. Texas: $10.2 million
2. Oklahoma: $9.8 million
3. Kansas: $9.24 million
4. Texas A&M: $9.22 million
5. Nebraska: $9.1 million
6. Missouri: $8.4 million
7. Texas Tech: $8.23 million
8. Kansas State: $8.21 million
9. Oklahoma State: $8.1 million
10. Colorado: $8.0 million
11. Iowa State: $7.4 million
12. Baylor: $7.1 million
Click to expand...

Even more of a reason why I can't see why Kansas wouldn't be a better candidate than Rutgers or Pitt.
 
#119
#119
milohimself said:
The whole NYC thing is a pipe dream. That market will never be sold on college football. The play is to get the rest of the northeast in general, and Syracuse (when they're successful) is the key to the rest of the state of New York.
Click to expand...

yeah I've never said it's for certain going to work, but I think that's what they want is mainly to get to a point where either NYC is somewhat following college football or that they can somehow make the NYC area earn that 70 cents per household on the BTN

I can agree with you to some extent about Mizzou, though St. Louis/KC is the one are of the country I've never spent much time in, so I'm not sure of the pull they have on that market.
Click to expand...

From my experience here (save the strays you'll find in almost any part of the country) most everyone here seems to either be a Mizzou fan or an Illinois fan (we get the games for both a bunch and the arch game I'm told is a big deal - i've never gotten to go to it; and when Mizzou played OU with that number 1 spot on the line, it was on in like every restaurant in town). The whole state seems to be really, really gung-ho about mizzou as well.

I haven't been to KC, but based on some things I've read, Mizzou seems to have some draw in KC...I'd have to look into it more

Nebraska is one of the most highly valuable college athletics programs in the country. They have a surprisingly large fanbase.
Click to expand...

Thanks, wasn't completely sure on them; knew about the huge legacy with the program

This is before ESPN's deal with the SEC that started last season. The SEC is the biggest bread winner of the bunch now. This is why the Big Ten is trying to expand. It's a college football arms race.
Click to expand...

Any ideas on where to find the current numbers? It's somewhat an arms race, but more financial than the super-conference-talent alot of people seem to keep thinking
 
#121
#121
Even though money is the main driving factor, it appears from the rumored schools that the Big Ten is trying to maintain its academic reputation. That is probably why Vandy, GT, and Maryland make up the rumored B list.

Academics are probably the reason Louisville is not on their radar.
 
#122
#122
I'd never really thought about Maryland but from the Big 10's perspective it makes a whole lot of sense. Solid academic school, so-so football tradition, very good basketball tradition. Most importantly, allows the Big 10 Network to make inroads into the DC market and the Baltimore market.
 
#123
#123
ukvols said:
Even though money is the main driving factor, it appears from the rumored schools that the Big Ten is trying to maintain its academic reputation. That is probably why Vandy, GT, and Maryland make up the rumored B list.

Academics are probably the reason Louisville is not on their radar.
Click to expand...
Pat Forde was on TV and made his once-in-a-blue-moon good point, that the Big Ten will probably be looking to add only Association of American Universities members. The list of schools is actually a pretty good one, and a lot of the associated names in the Big Ten's hunt are member institutions: Georgia Tech, Iowa State, Rutgers, Syracuse, Kansas, Maryland, Missouri, Nebraska, Pitt, Vanderbilt.
 
#124
#124
you can take Vandy out of this mix. While they keep, if not increase, the academia portion of the conference, they bring nothing to the table in regards to increasing exposure or revenue. Their stadium is barely seats 40,000 and they rarely sell it out. In the majority of their SEC home games, the crowd is 50-50 and when the Vols play is closer to 90-10 Vols. Remove the next door neighbor SEC schools and there's no incentive for a Wisconsin, Northwestern, or Penn St to travel that far for a weekend game. At that point the stadium is half empty.
 
#125
#125
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top