Bill Nye is a godless liberal

[marcusluvsvols]

By the way Mormons aren't the only ones who tithe...Christians are commanded to do so. That's the minimum. Offerings for missionaries, helping others in your church or community etc. Are in addition to that. I'm happy to do so. I enjoy giving to the Lords work...Obamas not so much. There are certainly some things about the Mormon faith I find strange but that's not one of them.
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[BenGrimm]

I stand corrected.
After your post I did some research.
I did not realize the similarities, my apologies .

Here is a sample of what I found.

""""" "Similarities:"

"1. Pre-existence of humanity:"
"LDS: All humans pre-existed in the spirit world before being born on earth."

"Scientology: People were thetans in past lives + belief in reincarnation."

"2. Unlimited potential for humans:"
"LDS: Heavenly Father (God) is an exalted man and LDS men may become gods with omnipotence and omniscience.

Scientology: People may become thetans again, regaining their freedom from matter, energy, space, and time (MEST)."

"3. “Salvation” only through their Church:"
"LDS: Exaltation and godhood only through the LDS Church."

"Scientology: Recovering one’s thetanhood only possible through Church of Scientology."

Source:*LDS (Mormonism) and Scientology: A Brief Theological Comparison"""""

No need to apologize. It's kinda of scary how similar they are. At least LDS incorporated a well established religion into its nonsense.

Joseph Smith and L Ron have to go down in history as the biggest con artist of all time.

 

[Gramps]

By the way Mormons aren't the only ones who tithe...Christians are commanded to do so. That's the minimum. Offerings for missionaries, helping others in your church or community etc. Are in addition to that. I'm happy to do so. I enjoy giving to the Lords work...Obamas not so much. There are certainly some things about the Mormon faith I find strange but that's not one of them.
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Tithing is normal.

I am member of a Baptist Church.
I do tithe to my church, it is my choice.
It is not a requirement. If my church tells I have to donate 10% or any figure as a requirement I will find myself another church.

You do not find it strange that Tithing 10% of your income is one of the requirements to become a good member and the God of your own planet ?

 

[EastTN28]

I could care less about IQ, prejudice, and liberal vs conservative. It is a ruse.

The connection between IQ and being liberal or conservative is debatable. I have seen studies that indicate each side has a higher IQ; although most seem to give a slight edge to conservatives.

From my own life experience standpoint, conservatives/libertarians have the highest IQ. However, that is just my experience.

The fact that you didn't even get a simple expression correct (it is "couldn't care less") kind of goes along with all the studies that show conservatives are less intelligent than liberals. Just having a little fun with you, no offense.

Anyway, I'm not voting for Romney, but I wouldn't have a problem with his religion although there are a lot of strange things about Mormonism. Some of it is such a blatant fantasy, I can't believe people can convince their selves to believe it.

 

[MG1968]

The fact that you didn't even get a simple expression correct (it is "couldn't care less") kind of goes along with all the studies that show conservatives are less intelligent than liberals. Just having a little fun with you, no offense.

Anyway, I'm not voting for Romney, but I wouldn't have a problem with his religion although there are a lot of strange things about Mormonism. Some of it is such a blatant fantasy, I can't believe people can convince their selves to believe it.

oh, irony

 

[volinbham]

Just to mess with this thread - ever notice that the people most passionate about preventing extinction also tend to be the most anti-religious, anti-creation? Why stop the process?

Carry on.

 

[Thrasher865]

The idea that science and creationism are supposedly mutually exclusive is maddening to me.

You must not be that into science, then...

 

[Thrasher865]

I will say I think it is ridiculous that anyone believes the Earth is only 6,000 years old. If you believe that, then you cannot believe in the speed of light. If the Earth was only 6,000 years old we could not see objects more than six thousand light years away which we can.

:blink:

lol: lol: lol: lol: lol:

 

[Thrasher865]

But there is no way the Earth is that young. Your reasoning is just incorrect.

 

[hog88]

I assume Hog is not twelve, but rather closer to thirty. As such, he's had ample time to do something other than blatantly ignore science and act as if it's a radical, fringe belief. Whether there is or is not an almighty creator is currently impossible to prove in the realm of science, but it's laughable to act as if evolution is a farce in the face of rather damning scientific evidence.

I sort of understand because, assuming what I said was correct, he's been ingrained to think and act in such a manner. However, he was ingrained wrong.

Age really has nothing to do with this, but FYI over 40.

I have not ignored the science of evolution, I do believe in evolution, it is a fact. Species evolve to survive their surroundings, but in no way has it been "proven" all life evolved out of a fluke chemical reaction in a primordal ooze.

Look I by no means believe the earth, heavens and life were created in 7 days, that is crazy. I do belive in a creator (god) that put us here. It's god he can do anything he wants, who's to say he didn't experiment, kill off what he didn't like make some changes whatever?

The missing link, or whatever you would like to call it has not been found so there is nothing more than theory. Not much different than the theory of total creationism.

 

[volinbham]

Evolution happens everyday. Look at the HIV and AIDS virus. The cure for aids is to cocktail a bunch of different drugs on different days. The virus gets an evolved immunity, then after that pill gets out of the system, the immunity is gone. With evolution, there is devolution. I think as a human race, we're going different directions with a physical capabilities, to survive and try to be superior of course. I'll debate more with this in a different thread

I'll preface this by saying i believe in evolution.

To use your example - if HIV/AIDS virus evolved into an aerobic bacteria then we see cross species evolution. If it morphs from one form of virus to another then the leap is not so big. The latter is clearly evidenced, the former much less so particularly when you try to link it back to some stellar event that created the planet which created the proverbial "primodial ooze" from which all life originated.

 

[utvolpj]

Not much different than the theory of total creationism.

a scientific theory and a religious theory are 2 really different ideas

 

[volinbham]

I assume Hog is not twelve, but rather closer to thirty. As such, he's had ample time to do something other than blatantly ignore science and act as if it's a radical, fringe belief. Whether there is or is not an almighty creator is currently impossible to prove in the realm of science, but it's laughable to act as if evolution is a farce in the face of rather damning scientific evidence.

I sort of understand because, assuming what I said was correct, he's been ingrained to think and act in such a manner. However, he was ingrained wrong.



Well, I wasn't speaking with you but... top-flight New England boarding school education. I think I've got this.

I'm shocked - condescension from an atheist. Who'd have thunk it?

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

What's really mind-blowing is that those opposed to the theory of evolution because 'something sprang from nothing' are the same people who believe God has been around for an infinite amount of time. But everything has a beginning. So when did God come about? How did God come about? Why did God wait so long before saying to himself 'you know what, I'm lonely. I think I'll make a universe!'?

 

[volinbham]

What's really mind-blowing is that those opposed to the theory of evolution because 'something sprang from nothing' are the same people who believe God has been around for an infinite amount of time. But everything has a beginning. So when did God come about? How did God come about? Why did God wait so long before saying to himself 'you know what, I'm lonely. I think I'll make a universe!'?

I don't disagree but as always there is an equivalent on the other side.

The same people who cannot conceived of anything but pure random chance evolution base that in the "rationality of science"; a thought system of one species that occurred randomly and is by definition evolving into something else.

 

[hog88]

What's really mind-blowing is that those opposed to the theory of evolution because 'something sprang from nothing' are the same people who believe God has been around for an infinite amount of time. But everything has a beginning. So when did God come about? How did God come about? Why did God wait so long before saying to himself 'you know what, I'm lonely. I think I'll make a universe!'?

God is a supreme being, correct? Heck, that could be Captain Kirk on the Enterprise???

 

[Thrasher865]

I don't disagree but as always there is an equivalent on the other side.

The same people who cannot conceived of anything but pure random chance evolution base that in the "rationality of science"; a thought system of one species that occurred randomly and is by definition evolving into something else.

You'll have to elaborate. I don't see the irony.

 

[utvolpj]

God is a supreme being, correct? Heck, that could be Captain Kirk on the Enterprise???

couldn't it? I think many can give some credence to the "supreme being" argument but it loses many people when that label is assigned to a specific entity and then a religions are built around it

 

[hog88]

couldn't it? I think many can give some credence to the "supreme being" argument but it loses many people when that label is assigned to a specific entity and then a religions are built around it

Agree, blind faith in books written by men are dangerous. Just as much so a blind faith in unproven scientific theory.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

God is a supreme being, correct? Heck, that could be Captain Kirk on the Enterprise???

Using terms like supreme being doesn't answer my question. I asked why and you said ''because he is a supreme being''...now I fully expect the trump card of faith to be played here but I would be tickled to death to hear a real explanation.

 

[utvolpj]

Agree, blind faith in books written by men are dangerous. Just as much so a blind faith in unproven scientific theory.

but at least science is still trying to figure out answers. Can the same be said for the majority of religious followers?

 

[volinbham]

You'll have to elaborate. I don't see the irony.

the TOE suggests evolution is constant.

empiricism is a relatively new way of thinking (given the history of the earth).

thinking is chemical and electrical reactions.

TOE suggests that humans are continually evolving and may even evolve into some other species.

isn't it a bit premature to think this particular form of chemical and electrical reactions in the brain of a constantly evolving species is somehow the TRUTH and represents THE WAY to know - further isn't it odd to suggest that this way of thinking will not change eventhough the theory it produced demands that everything will change?

It is the best we have now but in 10K years, 100K years who knows? Why get all high and mighty that it is the system that represents TRUTH (whatever that is).

 

[BenGrimm]

Age really has nothing to do with this, but FYI over 40.

I have not ignored the science of evolution, I do believe in evolution, it is a fact. Species evolve to survive their surroundings, but in no way has it been "proven" all life evolved out of a fluke chemical reaction in a primordal ooze.

Look I by no means believe the earth, heavens and life were created in 7 days, that is crazy. I do belive in a creator (god) that put us here. It's god he can do anything he wants, who's to say he didn't experiment, kill off what he didn't like make some changes whatever?

The missing link, or whatever you would like to call it has not been found so there is nothing more than theory. Not much different than the theory of total creationism.

I thought God was supposed to be perfect in everything he does? Why would he need to experiment?

I'm glad you at least don't subscribe to the Young Earth nonsense. You seem to acknowledge natural selection to some degree.

But there are 46% of Americans (according to gallup polls) that refuse to acknowledge any part of Evolution. That is scary when you think those people are procreating and teaching their children not to trust the process of science.

It drives me nuts when ID proponents spout "critical thinking" as a reason to teach it along TNS. Nothing teaches critical thinking better than the scientific process. Throwing in fantasy would be more damaging.

 

[PKT_VOL]

the TOE suggests evolution is constant.

empiricism is a relatively new way of thinking (given the history of the earth).

thinking is chemical and electrical reactions.

TOE suggests that humans are continually evolving and may even evolve into some other species.

isn't it a bit premature to think this particular form of chemical and electrical reactions in the brain of a constantly evolving species is somehow the TRUTH and represents THE WAY to know - further isn't it odd to suggest that this way of thinking will not change eventhough the theory it produced demands that everything will change?

It is the best we have now but in 10K years, 100K years who knows? Why get all high and mighty that it is the system that represents TRUTH (whatever that is).

You subscribe to a unique form of materialism. Interesting.

 

[PKT_VOL]

The fact that you didn't even get a simple expression correct (it is "couldn't care less") kind of goes along with all the studies that show conservatives are less intelligent than liberals. Just having a little fun with you, no offense.

It was a typo. No offense taken.

I would cite the studies but I am too lazy too look it up and there are also contradicting studies.

Like I said (and I'm a Libertarian not a conservative), based on my experiences conservatives tend to smarter than liberals. However, liberals tend to far more artistic, creative, free spirited, and exercise "carpe diem" more than conservatives.

Anyway, I'm not voting for Romney, but I wouldn't have a problem with his religion although there are a lot of strange things about Mormonism. Some of it is such a blatant fantasy, I can't believe people can convince their selves to believe it.

I won't be voting for Romney either. As I posted earlier, I dated a Mormon in high school. We split because there was no future for us. I could care less what her metaphysical beliefs were. To me, they were merely a product of her childhood; brainwashing. She on the other hand had a big problem dating me because we could never get married unless I converted. Honestly, I wouldn't mind "converting" to whatever religion my wife was if that meant she could get married in the proper arrangement. She would just have to know that in my heart I would never be a true believer. It turned out to be deal breaker with the her.