Blue State Death Spirals

[85SugarVol]

A lot less liberal.

I’m sure there are Progressive plumbers out there. Still would love to have one as a neighbor.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Red states should stop shipping food and oil to the Blue states for a couple of weeks. Then we can revisit the whole „takes more“ question. and we won’t even get into the fact that red states supply most of the recruits for the military and keep Xi from sailing into San Francisco Bay (assuming he would want to with all the poop in the streets of course)

Stop selling them electricity.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Not if you are building a house!

Chesterton, when asked what one book he would wish to have of stranded on a deserted island famously replied „Thomas‘ Guide to Practical Shipbuilding“. There was a man who understood the true definition of an education

 

[Jxn Vol]

Statistically we would better off without Hawkins/Cocke/ Unicoi/Carter and Johnson.But minus Hawkins, those are my favorite part of the state.

Depends on what category you are talking about. Education and crime Memphis is on another level

 

[dovervolz]

Yes, I'm devastated. Not sure I'm going to make it. GFY.

You're just a pathetic useless troll. You go fk yourself

 

[norrislakevol]

I got my bachelors degree but I would say that the majority of my education came from things I studied on my own. A voracious reader will continue to learn throughout life whereas a self satisfied college graduate will often stagnate thinking they already know everything.
My coal miner father who never finished high school knew more history than almost anyone I ever met.
College is designed to teach you HOW to think and learn, not impart the actual knowledge. But with modern education, colleges actively discourage debate and critical thinking and have become intellectually incurious wastelands where students are taught to echo back unquestioningly whatever their instructors feed them. That is not education, at least not in the classical sense. It is indoctrination

I'm pretty sure that most college graduates forget 90 percent or more of what they learn 5 years after graduation. Think that has actually been proven. I went to college for mechanical engineering and didn't even finish my degree...got most of it in, and work in the field of controls engineering. The most I have ever used is a velocity equation, and a trigonometric plug and chug equation using the tangent function to estimate the height of trees around the farm. Add to that, understanding torsion. That's what I got from college. Enjoyed it for the most part, but sure didn't enjoy the bill. Almost all of what I use comes form work experience in the electrical and maintenance fields in automation. College doesn't teach that...college can't teach that. Having said that, there are about 10 percent of engineering jobs that do need a full understanding of the trade, but most of the engineering jobs can be done with experience or by a maintenance guy that is smart. The end.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Drop a gender studies PhD and a good ole boy from East Tennessee into the middle of a wilderness area with nothing but a knife and the clothes on their back. Check back in 30 days. Then tell me who had the more practical „education“

You sound unhinged. I bet you pick up your 6 anytime someone rings your doorbell.

 

[OrangeTsar]

I'm pretty sure that most college graduates forget 90 percent or more of what they learn 5 years after graduation. Think that has actually been proven. I went to college for mechanical engineering and didn't even finish my degree...got most of it in, and work in the field of controls engineering. The most I have ever used is a velocity equation, and a trigonometric plug and chug equation using the tangent function to estimate the height of trees around the farm. Add to that, understanding torsion. That's what I got from college. Enjoyed it for the most part, but sure didn't enjoy the bill. Almost all of what I use comes form work experience in the electrical and maintenance fields in automation. College doesn't teach that...college can't teach that. Having said that, there are about 10 percent of engineering jobs that do need a full understanding of the trade, but most of the engineering jobs can be done with experience or by a maintenance guy that is smart. The end.

The thing most valuable to me from college was the open and unfettered exchange of ideas. I went in the 80s and college still meant free speech and honest debate. Even my very liberal poli sci professor treated me, a dyed in the wool Regan conservative, with respect and consideration. Never once was I called a facist, bigot, or Nazi.
College meant something then. It mean expanding your mind and learning to take your place in the marketplace of ideas. Now it is 100% about toeing the ideological line and become a compliant little Marxist apparatchik repeating the words of the Chairman verbatim

 

[OrangeTsar]

You sound unhinged. I bet you pick up your 6 anytime someone rings your doorbell.

Oh i am indeed unhinged . In a World of imbeciles, a sane man oft sounds the fool

 

[TN Ribs]

I’d rather have a plumber for a neighbor than a teacher.

Much more valuable.

Don't flatter yourself, nobody wants to be your neighbor.

 

[OrangeTsar]

You sound unhinged. I bet you pick up your 6 anytime someone rings your doorbell.

Every day I spend amongst liberals, I feel more and more like Dreyfus in the presence of Clouseau

 

[OrangeTsar]

Don't flatter yourself, nobody wants to be your neighbor.

Mister Rogers disagrees

 

[norrislakevol]

The thing most valuable to me from college was the open and unfettered exchange of ideas. I went in the 80s and college still meant free speech and honest debate. Even my very liberal poli sci professor treated me, a dyed in the wool Regan conservative, with respect and consideration. Never once was I called a facist, bigot, or Nazi.
College meant something then. It mean expanding your mind and learning to take your place in the marketplace of ideas. Now it is 100% about toeing the ideological line and become a compliant little Marxist apparatchik repeating the words of the Chairman verbatim

Well said.

 

[TN Ribs]

Question, do you believe that someone with a Communications degree who goes to work at the post office after college is automatically smarter than someone who decided to go into a trade apprenticeship?

No. The methodology used to determine the rankings is right there, maybe you should read it.

 

[OrangeTsar]

No. The methodology used to determine the rankings is right there, maybe you should read it.

Intelligence and education have absolutely no correlation. And what passes as education nowadays has even less correlation to critical thinking.
The inability of many „educated“ liberals to debate or even defend their positions without resorting to name calling and ad hominem attacks provides ample evidence in support of my assertion.

 

[sonofUT62]

Depends on what category you are talking about. Education and crime Memphis is on another level

Ohhh Memphis is worthless. I’m just saying that we would score higher on some categories
like life expectancy and education if we took away the rural counties East of Morristown minus Washington and Sullivan. But they’re my people and I wouldn’t want to live in any other part of the state.

 

[sonofUT62]

From the article posted...



West Virginia is the least educated U.S. state, with an overall score of 23.15. West Virginia ranks last for Educational Attainment with the lowest shares of people with associate’s degrees or some college experience and those with bachelor's degrees, at 20.6%. West Virginia also has the fourth-lowest average university quality.

Mississippi has a score of 25.35. As the second-least educated state, it ranks 49th for Educational Attainment and 47th for Quality of Education. Mississippi has the third-lowest share of high school diploma holders at 84.5%, the second-lowest share of bachelor's degree holders, and the fifth-lowest share of both people with associate's degrees or college experience and graduate degree holders.

Louisiana holds the third-place spot for the least educated states. Louisiana has a score of 25.75 and ranks 48th for Educational Attainment and 45th for Quality of Education. Louisiana has the fourth-lowest share of high school diploma holders and bachelor's degree holders, the second-lowest share of associate’s degree holders, and the fourth-lowest share of graduate degree holders.

Arkansas's score is 31.00 out of 100. Arkansas is in 47th for Educational Attainment, and its Quality of Education rank is an improvement to 24th. Arkansas has the third-lowest share of associates, bachelor's, and graduate degree holders.

Alabama is the country's fifth-least educated state. Alabama's Education Attainment rank is 45, and its Quality of Education rank is 38, with a total score of 33.08. About 22% of Alabama adults have a bachelor's degree or higher, which is lower than the 25% nationwide average; however, this gap is closing.

On the other hand, the most educated U.S. states are Massachusetts (81.82), Maryland(78.48), Connecticut(72.68), Colorado (69.82), and Vermont (69.67).

My territory includes Mass/ Vermont and CT. They may have very prestigious schools that attract people but they are including those students in their statistics. Massachusetts in particular is a total hotbed of dumbassery.

 

[TN Ribs]

I do apologize for being needlessly mean. But sometimes ridicule is good medicine. But I didn’t have to make the comment about the children‘s table. I am sorry
But please realize that reality is a harsh teacher and the consequences of the foolish decisions being made by legislatures in Blue states will inevitably make the lives of residents of those states a continuously worse state of misery and woe. Check the budget deficits some of those states are running as top earners and productive tax paying industries flee to red states, especially Texas and Florida. The end of the story is already written and unless voters in those states wise up, it will soon be irreversible.

No need to apologize, it's a message board and nothing posted about me on this forum has ever offended me. The other side of the coin is this, check the amount spent per student in Massachusetts vs. Alabama and ask yourself where you would rather have your child go to school, and violent crime is much lower in MA than it is in AL. Who cares where people choose to live? Blue states are not evil, red states are not evil. It feels like too many people are pining for some ridiculous fantasy to spilt the country in two.

 

[TN Ribs]

If teachers are more important than plumbers then they would need to work all year long.

You are a legend in your own mind. Quite unimpressive actually.

Puck drop?

What do you have against hockey? Seems pretty childish to intentionally add an emoji, what are you, a teeny bopper?

 

[TN Ribs]

You're just a pathetic useless troll. You go fk yourself

Citing facts is not trolling. But thanks.

 

[TN Ribs]

Intelligence and education have absolutely no correlation. And what passes as education nowadays has even less correlation to critical thinking.
The inability of many „educated“ liberals to debate or even defend their positions without resorting to name calling and ad hominem attacks provides ample evidence in support of my assertion.

Clearly you did not read the methodology. Oh well, I tried.

 

[OrangeTsar]

No need to apologize, it's a message board and nothing posted about me on this forum has ever offended me. The other side of the coin is this, check the amount spent per student in Massachusetts vs. Alabama and ask yourself where you would rather have your child go to school, and violent crime is much lower in MA than it is in AL. Who cares where people choose to live? Blue states are not evil, red states are not evil. It feels like too many people are pining for some ridiculous fantasy to spilt the country in two.

I do Not wish the country to split in two. But I honestly think this country is more polarized than at any time since 1865. in my opinion, the only hope is the true spirit of federalism in which states get maximum leeway to enact their own policies (within the bounds of the Federal constitution of course) and that people be free to chose to live in whichever state they desire.
My central argument though is that, given freedom to chose state of residence, blue states are enacting policies that are almost ensured to result in people deciding to flee these states.
People do lot like to be taxed to death. They don’t want to be told they can’t have gas heating or to purchase a gasoline vehicle. Companies will not continue to subject themselves to stagnating levels of regulation and taxation. It is a classic manifestation of the warning against killing the Golden Goose. Tax revenues decline whist the state budgets continue to balloon. And unlike the federal government, states do not possess the ability to print endless supplies of ever diluted currency.
Honest question, how do you propose that blue states stay solvent in the face of declining population and tax revenue while continuing to promise ever more expensive benefits and programs? I hope you do not want to claim that the population losses are either imaginary or temporary. A prime example of what I am talking about is the discussion about paying every black resident of California $1.2 million in reparations (being dissected on another VN Thread at the moment). No honest person can claim with a straight face that the state of California could fund such a program without bankrupting the state. And any effort to raise taxes to a level to even pay a tiny fraction of that amount will do nothing but further accelerate the ongoing exodus of former taxpaying residents. It just WILL NOT WORK.

 

[volfanhill]

I do Not wish the country to split in two. But I honestly think this country is more polarized than at any time since 1865. in my opinion, the only hope is the true spirit of federalism in which states get maximum leeway to enact their own policies (within the bounds of the Federal constitution of course) and that people be free to chose to live in whichever state they desire.
My central argument though is that, given freedom to chose state of residence, blue states are enacting policies that are almost ensured to result in people deciding to flee these states.
People do lot like to be taxed to death. They don’t want to be told they can’t have gas heating or to purchase a gasoline vehicle. Companies will not continue to subject themselves to stagnating levels of regulation and taxation. It is a classic manifestation of the warning against killing the Golden Goose. Tax revenues decline whist the state budgets continue to balloon. And unlike the federal government, states do not possess the ability to print endless supplies of ever diluted currency.
Honest question, how do you propose that blue states stay solvent in the face of declining population and tax revenue while continuing to promise ever more expensive benefits and programs? I hope you do not want to claim that the population losses are neither imaginary nor temporary.

They are already grossly in debt. And you have these idiots running around taking about their GDP. Their own spending drives GDP! It's like taking to clowns. Unsecured pension liabilities are going to ruin California

 

[85SugarVol]

Don't flatter yourself, nobody wants to be your neighbor.

Well that just hurts

 

[OrangeTsar]

They are already grossly in debt. And you have these idiots running around taking about their GDP. Their own spending drives GDP! It's like taking to clowns. Unsecured pension liabilities are going to ruin California

Yes, California has the nation‘s highest GDP by a comfortable margin at the moment.
Also, the Titanic was still the world‘s largest ocean liner as of 2:15 am on 15 April 1912.