bob stoops is still overrated.

#76
#76
He's getting to the game! I do think he's a top coach. It would be hard to find someone better and Fulmer is about done.

alot of getting there, is the road that you travel. i would say oklahoma's road is easier than tennessee's. if they beat texas, they're basically in. we could pull several names from a hat and get a better coach than stoops.
 
#77
#77
I didn't say anyone else would. That is what makes OU and Michigan great jobs among college football. Big fanbase, financial support, tradition and knowing the conference usually boils down to about 2 teams. The SEC is a meat grinder. A coach can sit at OU and rack up Big 12 titles.


I mostly agree with you..but with Texas and when Nebraska gets back on track it will not be that easy to rack up B12 titles.
 
#78
#78
alot of getting there, is the road that you travel. i would say oklahoma's road is easier than tennessee's. if they beat texas, they're basically in. we could pull several names from a hat and get a better coach than stoops.

Tremendous exaggeration.

Missouri and Kansas weren't exactly pushovers this year. Kansas State was extremely good for several years, although not anymore. Colorado has been formidable not too long ago. Obviously Nebraska will usually be good. It's not as simple as beating Texas.
 
#80
#80
I should have explained better in my previous post. I think even if the SEC were not a meat grinder, (even if it were weaker than the Big 12) I think Stoops would have made the same choice he did.

I am sure he would. Just part of all the factors. People don't leave places like OU, Michigan. Too many positives and the fact that the SEC is a meat grinder is just more reason not to.
 
#81
#81
I mostly agree with you..but with Texas and when Nebraska gets back on track it will not be that easy to rack up B12 titles.

Texas has the Fulmer of the Big 12 and it really won't matter even if Nebraska does get on track. Stoops already has like 5 Big 12 titles? He has cemented his legacy if he quit today.
 
#82
#82
oklahoma and texas is to the big 12 what tennessee and florida was to the sec in the 90's. only the sec still had better 2nd level teams than the big 12 has now.
 
#83
#83
I am sure he would. Just part of all the factors. People don't leave places like OU, Michigan. Too many positives and the fact that the SEC is a meat grinder is just more reason not to.

if i coached oklahoma, they would have to fire me to leave.
 
#84
#84
Tremendous exaggeration.

Missouri and Kansas weren't exactly pushovers this year. Kansas State was extremely good for several years, although not anymore. Colorado has been formidable not too long ago. Obviously Nebraska will usually be good. It's not as simple as beating Texas.

kansas is terrible and it will be proven when a bad v tech team waxes them in the orange bowl.
 
#86
#86
it was oklahoma and nebraska every year until the late 80's and early 90's when colorado came on. but for years just those two teams.

In the corresponding 38 years ('58-'96), Alabama won 15 SEC titles, with the next closest being UGA at 7, in a slightly bigger conference. There wasn't that much more parody. Coming in next were Tennessee and Florida, with the Gators winning all of them in the 1990s. I didn't count their forfeited title in the '80s.
 
#87
#87
In the corresponding 38 years ('58-'96), Alabama won 15 SEC titles, with the next closest being UGA at 7, in a slightly bigger conference. There wasn't that much more parody. Coming in next were Tennessee and Florida, with the Gators winning all of them in the 1990s. I didn't count their forfeited title in the '80s.

if we're talking about which league had the better teams, between 58-96, the sec in a rout.
 
#88
#88
Next year, when UT is playing in another meaningless bowl game, OU will be in another BCS bowl.
 
#90
#90
why? if we made it to the big game, then we would just get an a** whippin like oklahoma does. doubtful that we would get there, however. then we would be on here going through our coaching wish list like we do now.
depends on your definition of big game. he's won the big 12 title game a lot more than he's lost it, and he's played in 2 national title games and is 1-1. Getting to the BCS is an actual accomplishment, that's why there's such a high standard placed on it.

we always talk about winning the SEC and making BCS bowls. Stoops has done that just fine at OK.

oklahoma and texas is to the big 12 what tennessee and florida was to the sec in the 90's. only the sec still had better 2nd level teams than the big 12 has now.
that i'd agree with. the big 12 today is not the same as the SEC today. but either way, Stoops is one of the great coaches. and i'd have no problem with him roaming the sidelines in Knoxville if that opportunity ever presented itself. and that doesn't mean i'd expect him to duplicate his perf. at OK. simply, with him, i think we'd win more than 1 conf title per decade and make more than 1 BCS bowl per decade and that we probably wouldn't go winless against FL under Urban Meyer.

simply put, it would even the playing feild for us when it comes to coaching in the SEC today.
 
#91
#91
Next year, when UT is playing in another meaningless bowl game, OU will be in another BCS bowl.

Bingo. In spite of the fact that OU schedules pretty tough OOC opponents, plays in a usually tough conference including Texas every year, and has to get through a conf. championship game, OU has played in six BCS bowls in eight years. When you play the best teams in the country in BCS bowls every year, you're going to lose some of those games. I'd kill to have him in Knoxville.
 
#92
#92
Bingo. In spite of the fact that OU schedules pretty tough OOC opponents, plays in a usually tough conference including Texas every year, and has to get through a conf. championship game, OU has played in six BCS bowls in eight years. When you play the best teams in the country in BCS bowls every year, you're going to lose some of those games. I'd kill to have him in Knoxville.

there's a difference in losing some and losing most. ok loses most of there games against top ten teams. they do own texas, however.
 
#93
#93
And yet, he beat a good Missouri team to win the conference. What happened after we lost to Bama? We lost to a depleted LSU team.
A good Missouri team?!?! Let's hold off on calling Missouri good until we see what KU does against Va. Tech.

That said, the only good team Missouri beat was Illinois (who is by all accounts a gimmick team, and the gimmick was exposed by USC).

If Fulmer played in a conference that has been as down as the Big XII has been over the past five years, then Fulmer would have had the opportunity to lose to better teams in better bowl games.
 
#94
#94
Bingo. In spite of the fact that OU schedules pretty tough OOC opponents, plays in a usually tough conference including Texas every year, and has to get through a conf. championship game, OU has played in six BCS bowls in eight years. When you play the best teams in the country in BCS bowls every year, you're going to lose some of those games. I'd kill to have him in Knoxville.
Whatever you are smoking, you need to stop Bogarting that. Here is a list of OU's non-conference opponents since Stoops arrived:
1999: Indiana St.(W), Louisville (W), Notre Dame (L)
2000: UTEP (W), Ark. St. (W), Rice (W)
2001: UNC (W), Air Force (W), North Texas (W), Tulsa (W)
2002: Tulsa (W), Bama (W), UTEP (W), South Florida (W)
2003: North Texas (W), Bama (W), UCLA (W), Fresno St. (W)
2004: Bowling Green (W), Houston (W), Oregon (W)
2005: TCU (L), Tulsa (W), UCLA (L)
2006: UAB (W), Washington (W), Oregon (L), MTSU (W)
2007: North Texas (W), Miami (W), Utah St. (W), Tulsa (W)

Not exactly the most daunting non-conference schedule. I don't know that stoops has faced a top 15 non conference opponent...Maybe, 2006 Oregon and 1999 Notre Dame?
 
#96
#96
A good Missouri team?!?! Let's hold off on calling Missouri good until we see what KU does against Va. Tech.

That said, the only good team Missouri beat was Illinois (who is by all accounts a gimmick team, and the gimmick was exposed by USC).

If Fulmer played in a conference that has been as down as the Big XII has been over the past five years, then Fulmer would have had the opportunity to lose to better teams in better bowl games.

Missouri absolutely destroyed Arkansas. LSU couldn't even beat them with the National Championship on the line.
 
#98
#98
They were most definitely unranked when OU played them. They might have finished the year in the Top 15, though.

I think where you finish is what's important. I doubt too many teams are thumping their chests in pride over defeating the 2005 Vols. Vandy is, but they do that anytime they lose by less than 20.
 
#99
#99
I think where you finish is what's important. I doubt too many teams are thumping their chests in pride over defeating the 2005 Vols. Vandy is, but they do that anytime they lose by less than 20.
Well, UCLA finished 16th in the AP Poll in 2005 and 13th in the Coaches. It was the first time they finished in the Top 25 since 1998. So, good job Bob Stoops for scheduling them...
 
Stoops gets credit for scheduling the Miami game this year. That is really the only real tough non conference game that Stoops has ever scheduled.
 

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