Bobby Johnson resigning from Vandy..

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TrueOrange said:
they seem to care more about school reputation academically (note the no AD)...they want someone to run the program, but they often seem to care less about throwing possible risks in to try to jump start it

(Actually no, it's not bad press. You lose as much as they do it just becomes no press).


But football success...I'm not sure for them that it's really as near crazy-important as it is for most of the other schools in the conference or south in general
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we heard the same garbage from stanford fans. now that harbaugh has won a little somehow their academic standards for star football players are right next to the rest of the pac-10 and somehow they put up with him being a slimeball.

if you don't care about winning you shouldn't be in a major bcs conference. end of story.
 
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pantone151 said:
He isn't happy there, and I think he'd take an SEC gig in a heartbeat even if it was Vandy. Tubbs has publicly stated he doesn't think a 10 team big 12 will last, why not jump ship now?
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Because he just got hired. We talk about Kiffin being a scumbag for jumping a program in less than a year; you really think Tubbs is a worse guy who'd just up and bye in less time than that?

And I'm missing the "unhappy there." Even if he thinks the conference isn't strong enough to last, that doesn't mean he doesn't like his school....that's like saying if someone's (Urban, Dooley, anyone) complaining about the SEC refs (or a policy) that they'd rather be in the Big Ten
 
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#79
That's a shame. I've been following Johnson since his days here at Furman. Seems like a good guy. Hope it's nothing serious with his health.

Mike Leach is certainly an interesting name. His gimmicky offense may be perfect for a program like Vandy.
 
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tri_vol said:
Didn't Phillip say he only wanted to coach at a school that was committed to winning and thus why he is still unemployed.
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Kind of like cousin Eddie saying he was holding out for a management position.
 
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TrueOrange said:
And I'm missing the "unhappy there." Even if he thinks the conference isn't strong enough to last, that doesn't mean he doesn't like his school....that's like saying if someone's (Urban, Dooley, anyone) complaining about the SEC refs (or a policy) that they'd rather be in the Big Ten
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Not following your logic there... Anyhow, Tubbs has given an interview where he states he thinks the conference won't last, and has publicly ridiculed the commissioner. I guess I went over board saying he's unhappy there, but these comments make it seem like he may have a bit of buyers remorse....
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droski said:
we heard the same garbage from stanford fans. now that harbaugh has won a little somehow their academic standards for football players are right next to the rest of the pac-10 and somehow they put up with him being a slimeball.

if you don't care about winning you shouldn't be in a major bcs conference. end of story.
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Vandy isn't trying to be stanford though (and I was wondering whether that would be the comparison you would make or were thinking of) and they're not trying to be. Stanford had a long football history to try to get back to. Vandy's a team that didn't go to a bowl for 20 something years and noone cared (I mean their hardcore fans might have, but you always have some of those)

They really and honestly don't put as much of a stress on sports. They sincerely pride themselves on being an extremely well-regarded academic prestigious school and that's always been their first priority to keep above all else, even in a BCS conference. If a team ever does well, they'll be pleased with it, but unlike stanford with football or duke with basketball they have never seemed too keen about throwing a ton of money in a respective direction. It's just not a priority for them really, hence the lack of hiring an Athletic Director.

They like the money and tie-ins from it and the conference play but it sincerely has been an academics first missioned school for quite some (significant) time now (probably one of the reasons everyone here keeps saying they should be kicked out of the SEC for another team)
 
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stanford won 8 games last year including beating oregon and usc at home, yet still averaged 15k fans a game (hence football is obviously not a priority for the alumni). i bet vandy does better than that. and i'm not sure what long football history you are talking about. unless you want to go back to pop warner.
 
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droski said:
stanford won 8 games last year including beating oregon and usc at home, yet still averaged 15k fans a game (hence football is obviously not a priority for the alumni). i bet vandy does better than that. and i'm not sure what long football history you are talking about. unless you want to go back to pop warner.
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It must not be a priority for the Cal folks, either. Hence the need for one of their own to continually stalk our boards for some football talk.
 
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EZE said:
It must not be a priority for the Cal folks, either. Hence the need for one of their own to continually stalk our boards for some football talk.
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boredom has nothing to do with the size of a fanbase or it's desire to win. cal has 4 times stanford's season ticket holders.
 
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droski said:
stanford won 8 games last year including beating oregon and usc at home, yet still averaged 15k fans a game (hence football is obviously not a priority for the alumni). i bet vandy does better than that. and i'm not sure what long football history you are talking about. unless you want to go back to pop warner.
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Not quite to Pop Warner, probably referring to the days of Jim Plunkett and maybe a few other overachieving years.
 
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pantone151 said:
Not following your logic there... Anyhow, Tubbs has given an interview where he states he thinks the conference won't last, and has publicly ridiculed the commissioner. I guess I went over board saying he's unhappy there, but these comments make it seem like he may have a bit of buyers remorse....
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if he had a bit though, it wouldn't be that much right now.

yeah i saw the interview; he says this because he was just in the middle of that giant schism that almost happened this summer. It makes sense...it was just a stupid thing to say publicly in any conference. But you really can't say his feelings on the conference lasting equates to his feelings on the school, that's quite a huge jump to make



as for what he actually did though, more or less is the same as our "don't say anything bad about the conference in public media" that Lane Kiffin got reprimanded for and that Urban Meyer got fussed at for complaining publicly about the referees
 
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EZE said:
It must not be a priority for the Cal folks, either. Hence the need for one of their own to continually stalk our boards for some football talk.
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There are many other "stalkers" out there, some who pretend to be fans, like VV for one, and who don't necessarily contribute much to a discussion. Besides, Droski makes some good observations at times.
 
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sjrobert said:
Not quite to Pop Warner, probably referring to the days of Jim Plunkett and maybe a few other overachieving years.
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plunkett took them to one rose bowl, but it hardly was an era of dominace. elway never even made a bowl game.
 
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droski said:
stanford won 8 games last year including beating oregon and usc at home, yet still averaged 15k fans a game (hence football is obviously not a priority for the alumni). i bet vandy does better than that. and i'm not sure what long football history you are talking about. unless you want to go back to pop warner.
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i was even just thinking something at all to hang their hats on i guess; things like like elway, plunkett, seasons at all to hang one's hat on as successes...

here's vandy's football history:

Vanderbilt Commodores football - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

they were a power way, way back before all of us, lost it, and just stopped caring

Compare it to Stanfords results; even just from the 30s on if you want

Stanford Cardinal football - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


As for the attendance, in the Southeast a college football game on a Saturday (especially in old southern cities) is and has been very much a social event with people many times attending for that reason; Vandy being in a big city like nashville means it's going to still get a good deal of attendance in that environment....say compared to being located in a population size like Stanford


The comparison I would make however is look at the stadiums the schools built for football. In a region of the country where "football is god" and everyone in conference seems to have 70-80,000 at least seated stadiums, Vanderbilt's stadium only seats 39,000 and that's been its peak even after renovations. Even out west, Stanford's stadium reached a seating of 85,000 up until the renovations in 2006, but even now it still holds 50,000.


(In both cases...pretty well more than Vandy)
 
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I hate it for him if it's health related, but Johnson's abilities as an HC at Vandy is well overstated. He barely got them one bowl game and most of his years they sucked as bad as ever. He even couldn't beat the worst UT team in 30 years at Vandy with the best Vandy team in 30 years.
 
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Presser at 1pm CST. Quote of the day: "Bobby Johnson has decided to step down as Vandy's head football coach. Most people would probably consider that a step up."
 
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Clearly this is what is happening:

Bar Knoxville found the surveillance video. Just before the brawl broke out, Bobby Johnson is seen in the background trying to convince some co-eds that he is really Steve Martin, doing his best "wild and crazy guy". He bumps into Chase Nelson, who misses him on a right cross and drops an innocent bystander.

Vandy is not willing to take the PR hit and has cut him off.
 
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