Bowl Game or Hot Seat?

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GrowVol said:
I am all in now, but wonder how things might change if we don't make to a bowl game this season.
Not turning at all on CBJ, but excuses this season may wear thin. If we're 5-7 again,will slogans fall on deaf ears?
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Guarantee you if we don't be a winning team, the instant gratification, Jerry Springer, and magic wand crowd will be calling for his firing.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Guarantee you if we don't be a winning team, the instant gratification, Jerry Springer, and magic wand crowd will be calling for his firing.
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that could well happen but i don't think it will put CBJ on the hot seat,now as to assistants that could be different
 
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GrowVol said:
I am all in now, but wonder how things might change if we don't make to a bowl game this season.
Not turning at all on CBJ, but excuses this season may wear thin. If we're 5-7 again,will slogans fall on deaf ears?
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Oh noes...not this again. And we haven't even started Spring practice yet. :rolleyes:
 

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GrowVol said:
I am all in now, but wonder how things might change if we don't make to a bowl game this season.
Not turning at all on CBJ, but excuses this season may wear thin. If we're 5-7 again,will slogans fall on deaf ears?
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Don't start this crap again. Lets enjoy the off season and look forward to the off season work outs and 2015 recruiting.
 
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GrowVol said:
I am all in now, but wonder how things might change if we don't make to a bowl game this season.
Not turning at all on CBJ, but excuses this season may wear thin. If we're 5-7 again,will slogans fall on deaf ears?
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It doesn't sound like you are all in, hot seat will not come around until CBJ 4th year and that is IF the 3rd year was 5-7. SO STOP IT, we don't need to collapse the recruiting AGAIN with switching coaches.
 
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Anyone who think replacement because no bowl in year 2 is NUCKIN FUTS! Lets replace the revolving door and stick to a solid coach for a standard 4 years. Then make a decision. No one with ANY credibility will come to UT with this idea in place. I don't know how anyone could not see that.

Think big picture people, not the immediate future. this is a Big recruiting class and they need time to develop.
 
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governmentmule said:
that could well happen but i don't think it will put CBJ on the hot seat,now as to assistants that could be different
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Oh, didn't mean put CBJ in the hot seat, just that the factions of Vols fans I mentioned would typically howl for it.
 
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We have to see results on the field to gauge coaching...not necessarily a set number of wins,but visible improvement on offense AND defense...extra wins would accompany those boosts in performance...I believe Negavols and Sunshinepumpers would be in agreement on this.
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I don't think we need four to five years to get to a bowl game. I think we need 4-5 years to get back on track for sure, but my definition of on track is winning the sec east consistently. I hope we go next year but It's year 3 as far as bowl or bust.
 
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butchna said:
We have to see results on the field to gauge coaching...not necessarily a set number of wins,but visible improvement on offense AND defense...extra wins would accompany those boosts in performance...I believe Negavols and Sunshinepumpers would be in agreement on this.
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Right on. I think we looked better this year. We were so close to a bowl game this year that I expect to get one this year. No hotseat if not though...
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Oh, didn't mean put CBJ in the hot seat, just that the factions of Vols fans I mentioned would typically howl for it.
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you are right about the fan base,hopefully they will suck it up for a few years and see what happens,instead of waiting to fire him after a couple of loses
 
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butchna said:
We have to see results on the field to gauge coaching...not necessarily a set number of wins,but visible improvement on offense AND defense...extra wins would accompany those boosts in performance...I believe Negavols and Sunshinepumpers would be in agreement on this.
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your right butchna,I don't really expect a lot more as far as wins and loses go,but i am hoping to see a lot more effort with all the new players
 
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GrowVol said:
I am all in now, but wonder how things might change if we don't make to a bowl game this season.
Not turning at all on CBJ, but excuses this season may wear thin. If we're 5-7 again,will slogans fall on deaf ears?
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Some posters just can't get over it and post on Volnation to create controversy and drama....
 
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vol66 said:
Phil Steel recently posted some info regarding returning players...

We are the ONLY D1 replacing both the offensive line and defensive line. We don't know who the QB will be( Half the conference is in the same boat regarding QB's). We are replacing the kicker and punter. We do return DB's and WR's in sufficient numbers.

Take all that and combine it with yet another uber tough schedule and things don't look all that bright for the upcoming season.

Of course, that's me being rational in the off season. :)
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I've read some statistical studies that basically blow up the typical perception of position groups importance on wins and losses. Basically, the question is what effect can be attributed to the delta in wins and losses comparing teams with similar talent who change from experienced to inexperience at key positions in CFB. If memory serves, the data seems to suggest the position with the greatest impact is kicker/punter. A team going from experience at both of those positions to inexperience trends downward almost two games below teams who do not. The position that had a startlingly insignificant change in performance from experience to inexperience was QB with about .2 games a year attributable solely to a change there.
 
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daj2576 said:
I've read some statistical studies that basically blow up the typical perception of position groups importance on wins and losses. Basically, the question is what effect can be attributed to the delta in wins and losses comparing teams with similar talent who change from experienced to inexperience at key positions in CFB. If memory serves, the data seems to suggest the position with the greatest impact is kicker/punter. A team going from experience at both of those positions to inexperience trends downward almost two games below teams who do not. The position that had a startlingly insignificant change in performance from experience to inexperience was QB with about .2 games a year attributable solely to a change there.
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The punter/kicker makes sense to me, though I thought most would think that it is the least of our worries, mostly because I feel like people have short memories. For most of the season one could argue Palardy was MVP. Brodus and Darr couldn't beat him out so there's no telling what SPT's will look like this year. I view that as a big question mark.

The QB thing makes sense in that it's a conference wide problem for many teams every year. As I stated, seven of the 14 teams will be either completely unknown at the position or somewhat unknown. One team gets Manziel, one team get's Worley...it evens out statistically I would guess, across the board, or maybe I'm missing your point.:p

I don't know if you are familiar with Steele, but here's one of the "blogs" I referenced.

Phil Steele
 
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I think it depends on your definition of improvement. I'm willing to bet there are many different ones on here. For instance, some people only look at the record. However, if UT were to finish 6-6 this year (by beating Vandy, UK, Ole Miss, UTC, Utah St., and Ark St.) but gets blown out by Bama, UGA, Oklahoma, etc. has there been any real improvement? I say no.

On the other hand, take that same 6-6 record with close games against Bama, Oklahoma, & UGA with an opportunity to win in the 2nd half would tell me the team is improving.

There are stats within the stats. You can make them look however you want but for me the team needs to compete better against the upper tiered teams on the schedule.
 
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Boca Vol said:
I think it depends on your definition of improvement. I'm willing to bet there are many different ones on here. For instance, some people only look at the record. However, if UT were to finish 6-6 this year (by beating Vandy, UK, Ole Miss, UTC, Utah St., and Ark St.) but gets blown out by Bama, UGA, Oklahoma, etc. has there been any real improvement? I say no.

On the other hand, take that same 6-6 record with close games against Bama, Oklahoma, & UGA with an opportunity to win in the 2nd half would tell me the team is improving.

There are stats within the stats. You can make them look however you want but for me the team needs to compete better against the upper tiered teams on the schedule.
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Think we get blown out by Bama and OU, but have close ones the rest of the way. Bama's at home, so who knows.

These guys need those extra bowl practices though, so going 6-6 would probably lead to improvement, IMO.
 
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Starting out with back to back losing seasons would land a coach on the hot seat at just about any BCS school. Certainly if it's a major program with high ticket prices, a huge budget, and the coach is making something like 3 million a year. Would be crazy if they weren't on the hot seat after two seasons like that.
 
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