Bowl Game or Hot Seat?

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#101
Yes. If UT doesn't make a bowl game then he will be on a hot seat going into '15. He will have to have a very good year in '15 to save himself if he goes 5-7 in consecutive years.
 
#102
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In a little over a year he hasn't done much. Recruiting class be damned. Welcome to the HOTSEAT Butch!! I say we sh!tcan the head coach right now. Surely somebody could do a lot better job......

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#103
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Tennessee will finish 7-5 and go to either the Music City,Liberty or Independence Bowls in 2014. Even if Tennessee winds up with a losing record,I don't think CBJ will be on the hot seat.
 
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Date Opponent / Event Location Time / Result
08/30/14 vs. Utah State Knoxville, Tenn. WIN
09/06/14 vs. Arkansas State Knoxville, Tenn. WIN
09/13/14 at Oklahoma Norman, Okla. LOSS
09/27/14 at Georgia * Athens, Ga. LOSS?
10/04/14 vs. Florida * Knoxville, Tenn. WIN?
10/11/14 vs. Chattanooga Knoxville, Tenn. WIN
10/18/14 at Ole Miss * Oxford, Miss. LOSS?
10/25/14 vs. Alabama * Knoxville, Tenn. LOSS
11/01/14 at South Carolina * Columbia, S.C. LOSS?
11/15/14 vs. Kentucky * Knoxville, Tenn. WIN
11/22/14 vs. Missouri * Knoxville, Tenn. LOSS
11/29/14 at Vanderbilt * Nashville, Tenn. WIN

To go 6-6 we need to win an SEC game outside of KY and Vandy...
I think UGA, UF and SC could go either way.
Maybe Mizzou too if they drop off talent wise.

5-7 is very possible even if we improve just because of our schedule and out of conference schedule.

If we are 6-6 and win the bowl great!
If we somehow go 7-5 and then add a bowl win, our recruiting next year will be sick.
 
#105
#105
What if the sky falls in October? Will Neyland be cleaned up enough to play in November?

I hate threads like this.
 
#106
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LazhilUT said:
To go 6-6 we need to win an SEC game outside of KY and Vandy...
I think UGA, UF and SC could go either way.
Maybe Mizzou too if they drop off talent wise.
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Mizzou loses their best D playmaker and several experienced guys who made them good. On O, they lose Franklin, WR's, their best RB, and best OL.

Mizzou should be a win... but they are very well coached. For that reason, it is a chance for Jones to prove himself.

5-7 is very possible even if we improve just because of our schedule and out of conference schedule.
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At some point, you have to start expecting "elite" coaches to beat teams that have a somewhat better roster. The four teams you listed above plus Ole Miss provide that opportunity.

IOW's, he only has to be 1 of 5 against some very beatable opponents to take a step toward proving he's the right coach for UT.

If we are 6-6 and win the bowl great!
If we somehow go 7-5 and then add a bowl win, our recruiting next year will be sick.
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Agree. Glad you recognize the relationship between winning and recruiting also. Many here seem to believe there isn't one.

IMHO, there is very little chance he can repeat this year's class if he goes 5-7 again.
 
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GrowVol said:
I am all in now, but wonder how things might change if we don't make to a bowl game this season.
Not turning at all on CBJ, but excuses this season may wear thin. If we're 5-7 again,will slogans fall on deaf ears?
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All they really need to do to win a Bowl game is find a QB. With even avg QB play the Vols win fairly easily vs Florida and Vandy. I don't think we have to worry about CBJ not getting us to a Bowl game this year. My sights are on something more than a Bowl game.
 
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Sea Ray said:
All they really need to do to win a Bowl game is find a QB. With even avg QB play the Vols win fairly easily vs Florida and Vandy. I don't think we have to worry about CBJ not getting us to a Bowl game this year. My sights are on something more than a Bowl game.
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Worley took the heat but for most of the early part of the season the WR play was horrible. Not blaming them. Jones made the decision to play young talent over guys with just a little more experience.
 
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LazhilUT said:
Date Opponent / Event Location Time / Result
08/30/14 vs. Utah State Knoxville, Tenn. WIN
09/06/14 vs. Arkansas State Knoxville, Tenn. WIN
09/13/14 at Oklahoma Norman, Okla. LOSS
09/27/14 at Georgia * Athens, Ga. LOSS?
10/04/14 vs. Florida * Knoxville, Tenn. WIN?
10/11/14 vs. Chattanooga Knoxville, Tenn. WIN
10/18/14 at Ole Miss * Oxford, Miss. LOSS?
10/25/14 vs. Alabama * Knoxville, Tenn. LOSS
11/01/14 at South Carolina * Columbia, S.C. LOSS?
11/15/14 vs. Kentucky * Knoxville, Tenn. WIN
11/22/14 vs. Missouri * Knoxville, Tenn. LOSS
11/29/14 at Vanderbilt * Nashville, Tenn. WIN

To go 6-6 we need to win an SEC game outside of KY and Vandy...
I think UGA, UF and SC could go either way.
Maybe Mizzou too if they drop off talent wise.

5-7 is very possible even if we improve just because of our schedule and out of conference schedule.

If we are 6-6 and win the bowl great!
If we somehow go 7-5 and then add a bowl win, our recruiting next year will be sick.
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You do realize Utah State is a very sound football team returning most of it's starters with a QB that's projected to be a first round draft pick.
 
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PrattvilleVol said:
You do realize Utah State is a very sound football team returning most of it's starters with a QB that's projected to be a first round draft pick.
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Their depth chart from Nov 27th, 2013 showed 7 Srs on each side of the ball. They lose their top 2 WR's, top two RB's, and 7 of their top 11 tacklers.
 
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knoxvols11 said:
If his record is no better than CDD by his third year he needs to go!
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So one good class of Freshmen are supposed to beat Juniors and Seniors around the SEC? It will take 2 or 3 years with continued recruiting like this year to be back on top.
 
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BigVol80 said:
So one good class of Freshmen are supposed to beat Juniors and Seniors around the SEC? It will take 2 or 3 years with continued recruiting like this year to be back on top.
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Back on top? my apologies if folkes thought i meant more than getting to bowl game next season. Bad thread...bad timing
 
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BigVol80 said:
So one good class of Freshmen are supposed to beat Juniors and Seniors around the SEC? It will take 2 or 3 years with continued recruiting like this year to be back on top.
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If he doesn't do better than Dooley he won't continue to get classes like this. You have to win for the recruits to keep coming.
 
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Next year's schedule, with 9 bowl teams, which doesn't include UF, will likely be more dificult than 2013 given UGA and USCjr are away from knoxville and the OOC games are tougher. TN will be looking at needing to beat UF in knoxville just to make a bowl game. As TN hasn't beaten UF -even with equal or better talent - since 2004, its a tough test to put on Butch to say "Bowl game or else" in 2014.
 
#118
#118
Nope.. Not going to happen yet.. This guy is going to get 4 years. Deal with it.. Only way that changes is if he totally bombs in year 3. They're all in with Butch and really need to be. We can't afford any more changeover. Stability is the only way to get Tennessee football out of the cellar.. Switching coaches every other year isn't going to cut it..
 
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sjt18 said:
Their depth chart from Nov 27th, 2013 showed 7 Srs on each side of the ball. They lose their top 2 WR's, top two RB's, and 7 of their top 11 tacklers.
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Hmmm...wunner how many of those were red-shirted, and still have a year of eligibility left? If there are several 5th yr seniors, it could be a very difficult game. ..... Or not. (Had to throw in a self protection caveat there :) )

That situation, by the way, is what every CFB team aspires to, having enough depth that lots of multi star freshmen are red-shirted, while previous classes play through their eligibility into a 5th year. A team heavy on 23 and 24 year-olds can be daunting to a team heavy on 17-18-19 year olds, I don't care what the star ranking is.
 
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sjt18 said:
Yes. If UT doesn't make a bowl game then he will be on a hot seat going into '15. He will have to have a very good year in '15 to save himself if he goes 5-7 in consecutive years.
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Much as I like a lot of what you write, I can only see this as true if the team doesn't show desire and motivation for every game, or the coaching staff turns out to be game day kutzes, or both.

There is, however, no shame in a young team, heavy in freshman recruits, getting beaten by a more mature team, even if the older team has a lower star ranking. x's & o's & jimmies & joes: but I'll put my money on the older teams, which are likely stronger, with at least an average player ranking.

But I do see 2014 as a highly, highly motivated team
and they'll play their hearts out. And I don't think this staff is a bunch of game day klutzes. (Vaindy anyone?)

So, no, even if we don't get to a bowl this year, I do not see most fans howling so loud that it could be considered a hot seat. And I hope no one tries to lead them into it.
 
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sjt18 said:
Yes. If UT doesn't make a bowl game then he will be on a hot seat going into '15. He will have to have a very good year in '15 to save himself if he goes 5-7 in consecutive years.
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The '15 season will in all likelihood be the season where we BEGIN to see the fruition of current recruiting. If Jones is truly on the "hot seat" that early, then we can look forward to a second decade of losing seasons as we continually start over until we find flash in the pan success to meet expectations, and that is nigh on impossible in the SEC. I prefer the logical route that leads to steady, sustainable progress. But then again, I learned early on how to handle delayed gratification.
 
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GrowVol said:
see your point, but 4-5 years to get to bowl is crazy....with the talent coming in. Think about going 5 years to get to a bowl game. that's scarier than rehiring Kiffin on a month to month bases.
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4-5 years is stupidity to say the least. I've seen some people say 5-6 lol.
 
#125
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ItsAllVols said:
It doesn't sound like you are all in, hot seat will not come around until CBJ 4th year and that is IF the 3rd year was 5-7. SO STOP IT, we don't need to collapse the recruiting AGAIN with switching coaches.
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If CBJ goes 5-7 in year 3, there won't be a hot seat. He'll be fired.
 
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