Bowl Game or Hot Seat?

#51
#51
Butch needs 4 yrs. to get us back where we belong!! Give him 3 recruiting classes! After that, it will be time to compete with any team!!
 
#52
#52
Butch needs at least six wins next season imo. That's not where we need to be in the end, but it would be improvement and a step in the direction. Fall short of six then it has me really questioning if he can get it done.
 
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#53
#53
i don't know if he will get to 6 wins or not Doyle,he might,there is a ton of ifs
 
#54
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Butch needs to go undefeated and win a NC for him to not be on the hot seat at VN.

Then 3 days after winning championship he will be on hot seat again, "If Butch only wins 10 games next year should he be fired?"
 
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daj2576 said:
I've read some statistical studies that basically blow up the typical perception of position groups importance on wins and losses. Basically, the question is what effect can be attributed to the delta in wins and losses comparing teams with similar talent who change from experienced to inexperience at key positions in CFB. If memory serves, the data seems to suggest the position with the greatest impact is kicker/punter. A team going from experience at both of those positions to inexperience trends downward almost two games below teams who do not. The position that had a startlingly insignificant change in performance from experience to inexperience was QB with about .2 games a year attributable solely to a change there.
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what do the stats say about teams that have lost both the offensive line and the defensive line for starters ? I am going to assume it isn't very good ?
 
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GrowVol said:
I am all in now, but wonder how things might change if we don't make to a bowl game this season.
Not turning at all on CBJ, but excuses this season may wear thin. If we're 5-7 again,will slogans fall on deaf ears?
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He has got to be given at least 4 years. He is a Top Flight recruiter and the SC and UGA games proved to me that he's got what it takes to coach in the SEC
 
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dduncan4163 said:
He has got to be given at least 4 years. He is a Top Flight recruiter and the SC and UGA games proved to me that he's got what it takes to coach in the SEC
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If he goes 5-7 for three years, I'm going out on a limb and saying his recruiting takes a hit without a legacy class to lean on.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
If he goes 5-7 for three years, I'm going out on a limb and saying his recruiting takes a hit without a legacy class to lean on.
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This:lolabove:
.If we can't get 6 wins with all the talent coming in and Fla,UGA,USCe being somewhat down.....then what's in store for 2015 recruiting....
Its 6-6 for me or "warmer" seat.This 4 years to get to 6-6 is BS.
 
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butchna said:
We have to see results on the field to gauge coaching...not necessarily a set number of wins,but visible improvement on offense AND defense...extra wins would accompany those boosts in performance...I believe Negavols and Sunshinepumpers would be in agreement on this.
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truer words have never been spoken.:clapping:
 
#62
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If someone believes that if they don't make a bowl game next year Butch should be on the hot seat, don't know how fall the program has fell over the last 10 years..Tennessee highschool football talent is not like Fla, Ga or Ala where u can recruit in state talent and make a dramatic improvement instantly...If you change coaches every few years expect to have the same success that the University of Ky has had in the last 30 years..Please Vol Nation let's be more smarter than that
 
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fall2hb86 said:
If someone believes that if they don't make a bowl game next year Butch should be on the hot seat, don't know how fall the program has fell over the last 10 years..Tennessee highschool football talent is not like Fla, Ga or Ala where u can recruit in state talent and make a dramatic improvement instantly...If you change coaches every few years expect to have the same success that the University of Ky has had in the last 30 years..Please Vol Nation let's be more smarter than that
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fall2hb86 said:
If someone believes that if they don't make a bowl game next year Butch should be on the hot seat, don't know how fall the program has fell over the last 10 years..Tennessee highschool football talent is not like Fla, Ga or Ala where u can recruit in state talent and make a dramatic improvement instantly...If you change coaches every few years expect to have the same success that the University of Ky has had in the last 30 years..Please Vol Nation let's be more smarter than that
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I do know how far the program has fallen and have seen down times in this program as well as good and great..supported the team regardless.
Hot Seat doesnt mean fire him "IF" just believe
if CBJ can't coach up the talent we have and will have enough to win 6 games this year considering other SEC teams struggles.....then 2015 is "make or break time".
I think we will win 7, but should win 6.
 
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dduncan4163 said:
He has got to be given at least 4 years. He is a Top Flight recruiter and the SC and UGA games proved to me that he's got what it takes to coach in the SEC
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That is a long time from now. I am passing no judgement until year three unless there is a debacle like the UK loss Dooley had. The Vandy choke job last year was pretty tough though. It also depends on recruiting. If it stays strong he will win games in year three.
 
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governmentmule said:
what do the stats say about teams that have lost both the offensive line and the defensive line for starters ? I am going to assume it isn't very good ?
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I don't know precisely, as I've not read or studied anything along those lines specifically. What I can say is that having studied overall performance in relation to talent I would say that raw talent is preferable to an experienced but less talented player. In general terms, I'll take a team of freshman four star players over a team of senior two star players if you are examining the outcome of a series of events and everything else being equal.
 
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#72
Bowl game is a must, if not a few assistant coaches might need to pack their bags. 5 losing seasons at Tennessee should NOT happen at all. At this point it is about Top Notch coaching getting this talent to a bowl game. Win that game and recruiting will be back where it should be for years to come. Don't make a bowl and have a losing season and it will be very, very difficult to recruit the way they did this year again.
 
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daj2576 said:
I don't know precisely, as I've not read or studied anything along those lines specifically. What I can say is that having studied overall performance in relation to talent I would say that raw talent is preferable to an experienced but less talented player. In general terms, I'll take a team of freshman four star players over a team of senior two star players if you are examining the outcome of a series of events and everything else being equal.
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