Bowling Green interested in Bajakian

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sjt18 said:
Can you explain this comment a little better?

FWIW, I think the O will come together under Bajakian. Most of my concerns about coaching are with the DC.
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Downs has the knee of a 70 yr old man and played most te snaps due to injuries and no depth. All while trying to block down on nfl de's
 
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dooley2 said:
I think staff chemistry is probably more important than you think. Butch's Cinci guys had put together a winning formula. Why would Butch hire someone that could possibly create a rift?

If I'm a winning head coach, I take my winning pieces wherever I'm hired. Butch did that, and then added some great pieces along the way. JMHO.
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Bringing in a DC who couldn't cut it in the SEC at UGA (when they have all that Georgia talent to draw from every year)....rather than hire one who had a great record WITH LESS TALENT...in the SEC, is totally contrary to his statement.

I would rather him tells us honestly...that he's going to try and go with the staff that got him here. Had he done that, though....Hart would not have handed him a $3 mill pot to hire assistants with. He would have been more frugal, knowing this staff didn't have this kind of pool in the Big East.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Bringing in a DC who couldn't cut it in the SEC at UGA (when they have all that Georgia talent to draw from every year)....rather than hire one who had a great record WITH LESS TALENT...in the SEC, is totally contrary to his statement.

I would rather him tells us honestly...that he's going to try and go with the staff that got him here. Had he done that, though....Hart would not have handed him a $3 mill pot to hire assistants with. He would have been more frugal, knowing this staff didn't have this kind of pool in the Big East.
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No one can help you if you are hung up on "the best staff in America." Some take is as a term of art and some take it literally. Who cares.
 
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It amazes me that people get so worked up about a word that is so subjective when used without qualifier statements.

Best...

CBJ had just created winning programs at two stops with this staff. He's worked with them. He knows them. They know him. He knows how they know his systems. If he believes that he is the best, it stands to reason that their working relationship has him define them as the best to work with him.

For instance... John Gruden is a great football mind. But if he doesn't understand Butch's system, nor how Butch interacts with his coaches, he would not have been the best coach to be on the staff.

"Best". It is a very subjective word without very specifically defined criteria.

This criticism amounts to: "He hired someone I don't like as well as _______."

That may be one of the most childish and petulant arguments that I have seen on here in a long time. And that's saying something.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I didn't say TRUE freshman. I said "freshman." He still had no field experience. Now, you are ragging on me when you didn't even read it.
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When you say Josh Smith and Croom were both freshman, that's not a correct statement. Croom had an entire year in the system, and thus way ahead of Smith...who, if memory serves me correctly, wasn't even an EE.

Harris is a bigger and better athlete than Smith...and I expect that when he gets his chance to show it, you'll see it yourself. If we have to play freshmen and redshirt freshmen, I'd rather use all the size I can leverage, cause not only is Mizzou using their WR size advantage, but other SEC teams are starting to do so as well.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Downs has the knee of a 70 yr old man and played most te snaps due to injuries and no depth. All while trying to block down on nfl de's
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Gotcha. Is the knew fixable or will he just be hobbled for the remainder of his career? I was not aware he had something that significant.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
When you say Josh Smith and Croom were both freshman, that's not a correct statement. Croom had an entire year in the system, and thus way ahead of Smith...who, if memory serves me correctly, wasn't even an EE.

Harris is a bigger and better athlete than Smith...and I expect that when he gets his chance to show it, you'll see it yourself. If we have to play freshmen and redshirt freshmen, I'd rather use all the size I can leverage, cause not only is Mizzou using their WR size advantage, but other SEC teams are starting to do so as well.
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If that is not a correct statment, then I REALLY can't help you. Because that is a fact. Croom had the spring to play in Butch's system as opposed to Smith maybe just having the summer. What's more is that your above statement actually helps my argument because Harris was hurt and could not be used. That just further shows the talent that we were using. SMDH.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
It amazes me that people get so worked up about a word that is so subjective when used without qualifier statements.

Best...

CBJ had just created winning programs at two stops with this staff. He's worked with them. He knows them. They know him. He knows how they know his systems. If he believes that he is the best, it stands to reason that their working relationship has him define them as the best to work with him.

For instance... John Gruden is a great football mind. But if he doesn't understand Butch's system, nor how Butch interacts with his coaches, he would not have been the best coach to be on the staff.

"Best". It is a very subjective word without very specifically defined criteria.

This criticism amounts to: "He hired someone I don't like as well as _______."

That may be one of the most childish and petulant arguments that I have seen on here in a long time. And that's saying something.
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Negative. I was simply giving an example...a CLEAR one. Sorry it went over your head.

The issue is hiring the best qualified you can get. Janzek may have some experience with CBJ, but that doesn't make him the best DC prospect Butch had the opportunity to hire. If your old DC couldn't hold it down at UGA, why would you still bring him with you...knowing you have the chance to hire a better candidate than you could, at Cincinnati?
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Bringing in a DC who couldn't cut it in the SEC at UGA (when they have all that Georgia talent to draw from every year)....rather than hire one who had a great record WITH LESS TALENT...in the SEC, is totally contrary to his statement.

I would rather him tells us honestly...that he's going to try and go with the staff that got him here. Had he done that, though....Hart would not have handed him a $3 mill pot to hire assistants with. He would have been more frugal, knowing this staff didn't have this kind of pool in the Big East.
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Martinez got most of the blame for the 09 debacle in Georgia. People say that he couldn't cut it as a DC in the SEC fail to mention that he was a "co-DC". How do you know he was calling plays?
 
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Not saying it will but if Bajakian does go to BG who do you all think will be top candidates? I have no clue I don't keep up with the coaching stuff much unless Tennessee is involved.
 
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VolGee4 said:
If that is not a correct statment, then I REALLY can't help you. Because that is a fact. Croom had the spring to play in Butch's system as opposed to Smith maybe just having the summer. What's more is that your above statement actually helps my argument because Harris was hurt and could not be used. That just further shows the talent that we were using. SMDH.
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When you try to say Smith and Croom were both freshmen, it sounds as if you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Had you known, you would have stated that Croom was a RS Freshman. There is a MAJOR difference. You were trying to lump them all together as if they had only been here since August.

Harris wasn't hurt all year. One hamstring doesn't a season end. :loco: SMDH
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
When you say Josh Smith and Croom were both freshman, that's not a correct statement. Croom had an entire year in the system, and thus way ahead of Smith...who, if memory serves me correctly, wasn't even an EE.

Harris is a bigger and better athlete than Smith...and I expect that when he gets his chance to show it, you'll see it yourself. If we have to play freshmen and redshirt freshmen, I'd rather use all the size I can leverage, cause not only is Mizzou using their WR size advantage, but other SEC teams are starting to do so as well.
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Sooo...he was learning Butch's offense last year?...under Chaney?
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VOLorNuttin said:
Harris wasn't hurt all year. One hamstring doesn't a season end. :loco: SMDH
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Haha. So, he was hurt half the year, and they elected not to play him. What the hell? You are impossible to discuss it with because you have made up your mind. I am done.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
When you try to say Smith and Croom were both freshmen, it sounds as if you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Had you known, you would have stated that Croom was a RS Freshman. There is a MAJOR difference. You were trying to lump them all together as if they had only been here since August.

Harris wasn't hurt all year. One hamstring doesn't a season end. :loco: SMDH
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It's called experience. Even a RS freshman doesn't have much on-field experience, ESPECIALLY with a new staff. Your emotion is clouding your judgment. Not even making sense anymore.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Negative. I was simply giving an example...a CLEAR one. Sorry it went over your head.

The issue is hiring the best qualified you can get. Janzek may have some experience with CBJ, but that doesn't make him the best DC prospect Butch had the opportunity to hire. If your old DC couldn't hold it down at UGA, why would you still bring him with you...knowing you have the chance to hire a better candidate than you could, at Cincinnati?
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Actually, you made it pretty clear that my point went over your head. You showed it by doubling down on the addition of "better" to your argument. You tripled down on it by defining a criteria of judgment that Butch may not necessarily be using in his judgment.

Following me now?

"Best" is a very subjective thing. Butch Jones could very well see his staff as the best in the nation for the job he has been given and the system he will use to attack that job. As a matter of fact, I would venture the guess that he either feels that:

(a) He has the best staff in the nation.

or

(b) He tried his best to get the best.

Heck... It would make absolutely no sense whatsoever for him to take the job and then say to his wife that night: "You know. This UT thing is going to be an uphill climb. I think I'll just hire crappy coordinators to help me do it. What do you think?"

Really? You think that's really what he did?

So, at the end of the day, you are seeking to apply your preferences and grading criteria to the statements made by someone else.

Thus, your argument equates to: "He hired someone I didn't approve of."

It is childish and reads more as a temper tantrum than a rational response.
 
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VolGee4 said:
No one can help you if you are hung up on "the best staff in America."
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You mean holding him to his word = hung up on words? :loco: Sounds like a Dool-Aid drinking smoke screen to me.

Some take is as a term of art and some take it literally. Who cares.
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Term of art, eh? Been drinking that dool-aid so long, you don't know which way "up" is. :crazy:
 

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VOLorNuttin said:
Then, by your logic, Worley didn't really have...EXPERIENCE.......did he?

On the same level as Dobbs and Ferguson, eh?
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My perception of your point was that Croom had a year of experience IN THE SYSTEM..truthfully he had NO EXPERIENCE in any system...comparing him to Worley?..who had taken snaps and started games for two seasons?...ok it worked...you confused me
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Orange_Crush said:
Actually, you made it pretty clear that my point went over your head. You showed it by doubling down on the addition of "better" to your argument. You tripled down on it by defining a criteria of judgment that Butch may not necessarily be using in his judgment.

Following me now?

"Best" is a very subjective thing. Butch Jones could very well see his staff as the best in the nation for the job he has been given and the system he will use to attack that job. As a matter of fact, I would venture the guess that he either feels that:

(a) He has the best staff in the nation.

or

(b) He tried his best to get the best.

Heck... It would make absolutely no sense whatsoever for him to take the job and then say to his wife that night: "You know. This UT thing is going to be an uphill climb. I think I'll just hire crappy coordinators to help me do it. What do you think?"

Really? You think that's really what he did?

So, at the end of the day, you are seeking to apply your preferences and grading criteria to the statements made by someone else.

Thus, your argument equates to: "He hired someone I didn't approve of."

It is childish and reads more as a temper tantrum than a rational response.
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We were throwing a temper tantrum when Dooley got hired and some of us questioned the hire?

Really? Your "follow the herd" approach has gotten you where? You were among the goobers here claiming Sunseri was a Badass and going to instill some toughness and discipline.

Shows just how much you know and how far your opinion matters. You've been wrong so many times, funny you would dare to call someone else out...not with your record of failure.
 

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