Brad Stevens

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Brad is a very good coach and I would like to see him at UT but I'm not sure his style would excite the fanbase very much. Butler plays a very controlled offense much like Ray Mears did at Tennessee. Instead of scores in the 80-90 range, you're looking at 50-60. If winning with any style is acceptable, then he would do the job and do it with class.
 
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OrangeVol79 said:
5 mil is crazy talk!
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What about 2.5 million, with million dollar incentives for 1.) SEC Championship 2. Final 4 and 3. National Championship. That way an great team that won the NC would be worth 5.5 million bucks. And it would be money well spent.
 
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OrangeVol79 said:
5 mil is crazy talk!
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I'd drive the search committee to Tuscaloosa and buy Mal Moore lunch.

I'd then let him explain how terribly sorry he is to have re-set the football coaching pay scale in hiring Saban.

Then, we'd all fly to wherever Stevens happened to be and make the same "mistake".
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dgcarter43 said:
Brad is a very good coach and I would like to see him at UT but I'm not sure his style would excite the fanbase very much. Butler plays a very controlled offense much like Ray Mears did at Tennessee. Instead of scores in the 80-90 range, you're looking at 50-60. If winning with any style is acceptable, then he would do the job and do it with class.
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Owning those spoiled crybabies from the north in two sports would excite the fanbase and be well worth the money.
 
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dgcarter43 said:
Brad Stevens is a proven coach. He can recruit with the majors and he has proven he can coach with the big name coaches. I don't understand why he wouldnt be on the list.
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I think Stevens has been an OK recruiter. He is a much better coach and beats teams which have better talent. I would expect him to recruit better at a major University and who win a pile of games. Would love to see his team after 2-4 years at Tennessee.
 
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WesternKyVol said:
What about 2.5 million, with million dollar incentives for 1.) SEC Championship 2. Final 4 and 3. National Championship. That way an great team that won the NC would be worth 5.5 million bucks. And it would be money well spent.
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I would agree ! Incentive based is the way to go!
 
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NORTH HALL VOL said:
Im sure him and shaka are on the list, they are still in the tournament, it would be disrespectful to him and the teams they coach for us to want to talk to them or let us know that we have talked to them, it could cause a meltdow like what happened to us. Im sure if the season was over he would be on the list.
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I have not seen enough of Shaka's recruiting to say very much about him. He is playing with Grants players.
 
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Brad Stevens has come out and said that he enjoys the small school atmosphere. He said there was a professor who didn't even realize one of his students was a basketball player. That wouldn't happen at UT. He is also a family man who likes just being a normal person. He said he likes going out in town and nobody knows who he is. He also lives in his hometown and is currently turning Butler into a force to be reckoned with in basketball. Plus he turned down 3 million to Oregon, so I don't think we have a prayer for Stevens.
 
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Tenacious D said:
I'd drive the search committee to Tuscaloosa and buy Mal Moore lunch.

I'd then let him explain how terribly sorry he is to have re-set the football coaching pay scale in hiring Saban.

Then, we'd all fly to wherever Stevens happened to be and make the same "mistake".
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Yes, spare not a dime. End justifies means. Do it.
 
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LWSVOL said:
I agree. seems very odd.
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1. If Hamilton is fired, I can't imagine it would occur before sanctions are announced. If its hard to get a bball coach onboard with these penalties looming, imagine trying to hire an AD.

2. Whenever Tennessee says things like "we're going to do a national search" or otherwise insinuate that we're going "outside the family" - this becomes less true the closer a position is to our boosters. Tennis coach? Don't care if he's from Australia. The AD? He better be one of our own - from within. That hasn't changed in decades, and likely never will. When Hamilton is replaced, it'll be by someone down the hall.

3. How do you keep Hamilton, and yet let the prospective coach know who they'll be working for / with? Well, if it's a serious sticking point, you introduce him to his replacement....right down the hall. So, for public appearances, nothing appears to have been decided, or changed until the timing is more appropriate, although privately, it undoubtedly has.

4. I think it'd help if that "person down the hall" was on the search committee - both to meet and have a say in who was being hired, as they'll be working for you in a few months, anyway. Its difficult to otherwise explain the placement of a football guy on the bball coach committee.


Just a total guess.
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Tenacious D said:
I'd drive the search committee to Tuscaloosa and buy Mal Moore lunch.

I'd then let him explain how terribly sorry he is to have re-set the football coaching pay scale in hiring Saban.

Then, we'd all fly to wherever Stevens happened to be and make the same "mistake".
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Surely, you would not compare Stevens to Saban?

5 mill for Coach K or Calhoun is understandable.
 
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OrangeVol79 said:
Surely, you would not compare Stevens to Saban?

5 mill for Coach K or Calhoun is understandable.
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From the standpoint of doing what it takes to get who you need, refusing to take no for an answer, and paying what it cost to make it happen - yes.

Saban was courted over a number of months, and not only told Bama "No" - but hundreds of times, and emphatically, before relenting.

But no, I don't see how it's possible to allege that Stevens accomplishments are on par with Saban's, in any regard.
 
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OrangeVol79 said:
Surely, you would not compare Stevens to Saban?

5 mill for Coach K or Calhoun is understandable.
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Stevens is a sure thing just like Saban was a sure thing.

Would you rather have coach K in 1985 or coach K today? That question was rhetorical...it's obviously the former.
 
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#119
Stevens has 110% support at Butler. He gets the basketball players he needs to compete within his league and obviously make runs in the tourney. There is no pressure. If I'm him, no way I go to UT just for $. If it doesn't work out in 3 yrs, he's on the hot seat. Where he is now, he has years of equity built into his foundation. If he's as smart as he appears, he stays where he is.
 
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OrangeVol79 said:
Down the hall would be Blackburn?
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I wouldn't know. As I said, it was a total guess. You shouldn't give it any more credence that that, if any at all.

I do think some people like David and think that he may someday be a very good AD, be it at Tennessee or elsewhere. But admittedly, I am sure that there are others there that you could say the same about, too.

It was interesting to note that David was the only one - singled out by name, in fact - who came out smelling like a bylaws enforcing rose in the 'AA report. But, that was probably just coincidental, and has very little meaning, if any at all.
 
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1) It's a lateral move in Div.1
2) He would be leaving a better program then the one he would be inheriting (NCAA violations)

There's no motivation, whatever money UT throws at him, Butler will likely match.
 
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I'd throw anything at him to get him. This is a guy to lead us for a long time
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pl3 said:
Stevens has 110% support at Butler. He gets the basketball players he needs to compete within his league and obviously make runs in the tourney. There is no pressure. If I'm him, no way I go to UT just for $. If it doesn't work out in 3 yrs, he's on the hot seat. Where he is now, he has years of equity built into his foundation. If he's as smart as he appears, he stays where he is.
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I agree completely. That's what I was trying to put into words.
 
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pl3 said:
Stevens has 110% support at Butler. He gets the basketball players he needs to compete within his league and obviously make runs in the tourney. There is no pressure. If I'm him, no way I go to UT just for $. If it doesn't work out in 3 yrs, he's on the hot seat. Where he is now, he has years of equity built into his foundation. If he's as smart as he appears, he stays where he is.
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Stevens would have 110% support here, or likely anywhere else, too. That's not narrowly limited to Butler, alone.

I agree - I don't see any way that he comes for money, alone (unless it's something grotesquely astronomical like $5M a year). I suspect it'd be a package of things he'd need - money for himself and to hire the assistants he wanted, a long-term contract with an exorbitant (read: draconian) buy-out, and likely a laundry list of other things, to boot.

If he has representaion with even the slightest competency, there is no way - short of a conviction for drug-trafficking - where he gets ran off in three years.

I see your point about the equity he has established, but if that held the prohibitive effect which you assert, only lesser or losing coaches (i.e. little to no established equity with their current institution) would be hired elsewhere. That might've worked out in Dooley's favor, but I have to believe that it's the exception, and not the rule.

And I disagree with your last point. If you were Butler's coach, and you were coming off of two deep tourney runs, you'd be a fool not to give serious consideration to other offers, elsewhere. Of course, that is unless that you truly believe that he has no coaching aspirations beyond Butler, or that they are strictly limited to IU (they're not, BTW, as he'd most like an NBA job).
 
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Tenacious D said:
Stevens would have 110% support here, or likely anywhere else, too. That's not narrowly limited to Butler, alone.

I agree - I don't see any way that he comes for money, alone (unless it's something grotesquely astronomical like $5M a year). I suspect it'd be a package of things he'd need - money for himself and to hire the assistants he wanted, a long-term contract with an exorbitant (read: draconian) buy-out, and likely a laundry list of other things, to boot.

If he has representaion with even the slightest competency, there is no way - short of a conviction for drug-trafficking - where he gets ran off in three years.

I see your point about the equity he has established, but if that held the prohibitive effect which you assert, only lesser or losing coaches (i.e. little to no established equity with their current institution) would be hired elsewhere. That might've worked out in Dooley's favor, but I have to believe that it's the exception, and not the rule.

And I disagree with your last point. If you were Butler's coach, and you were coming off of two deep tourney runs, you'd be a fool not to give serious consideration to other offers, elsewhere. Of course, that is unless that you truly believe that he has no coaching aspirations beyond Butler, or that they are strictly limited to IU (they're not, BTW, as he'd most like an NBA job).
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Valid analysis and points. Depends on his motivations and goals. Imo, his next 8-10 yrs are set where he is, barring ncaa issues. If he makes a change, that blanket is gone. I think he also has to look at the history of coaches leaving comfortable situations and taking on bigger challenges--how they did, where are they now, how long they coached at that school, etc.
 
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