Bruce Feldman and Tim Brando criticize the SEC's handling of LSU/Florida

[LSU-SIU]

don't take this the wrong way....

we don't care about the LSU perspective.eace2:

Most LSU fans already know that.... which is why they don't care about Tennessee's perspective. So, don't take it personal if Florida wins the East.

 

[MockingVol]

I'll go ahead and tell you what happened and what the deal is....IMO... from everything I can make out.

Florida could not play the game at home this weekend, despite what a lot of people are discussing now. A lot of evacuees were staying in Gainesville. No one knew what the damage was going to be from the storm and the amount of first responders that would be needed across the state. After the fact, we know it could have been done. But, it could not have been done at the time a call had to be made.

BUT, Florida was not, under any circumstances going to play this game in Baton Rouge and give up a home game. That was not going to happen.

AND, LSU, was willing to do several things in order to play the game this past weekend, BUT, they are not, under any circumstances, willing to play the game any other time of the year.

And that's where the head butting is.

So, is Florida wrong for not wanting to give up a home game? Is LSU wrong for not wanting to play the game at another time?

Depends which dog you have in the hunt.

But, my guess is this is what occurred and is currently occurring.

And both sides have sound, and yes selfish, reasons for standing their ground.

It was too dangerous to have a team come in the morning of Sunday to play and then leave afterwards because of all the refugees, but it was safe enough to have recruits in town and send other sports teams to play their games?

C'mon man. I think no one is free of blame in this, but if you think Foley was acting in good faith then I have some ocean front property in Arizona for you.

 

[LSU-SIU]

At first I thought is was Florida but now I am leaning more towards LSU's AD.

Please riddle me this batman, exactly what could LSU do differently that you feel like would have gotten the game in Saturday through Monday?

What is your lean based on?

 

[05_never_again]

Florida

Florida has been the more unreasonable of the two schools involved, but ultimately it is the conference commissioner's job to force them to do something.

There is precedent for something like this (see our 2005 game against LSU) and Sankey has essentially abdicated his responsibility so far.

 

[SamRebel35]

Most LSU fans already know that.... which is why they don't care about Tennessee's perspective. So, don't take it personal if Florida wins the East.

They won't. A 6-1 Florida will not represent the east in Atlanta over a 6-2 Tennessee. The SEC will make sure that happens. I'm fine with them not playing.

 

[rltw1974]

Please riddle me this batman, exactly what could LSU do differently that you feel like would have gotten the game in Saturday through Monday?

What is your lean based on?

It is based off of Aleva's presser yesterday. He came across like he has drawn a line in the sand and is daring the SEC make him cross it.

I do agree that Foley punked Sankey initially but now Aleva is doing it.

Aside from Tn potentially getting screwed over. Both LSU and FL are making the SEC look like a joke conference.

 

[MockingVol]

Foley created the problem and Sankey being incompetent has only furthered the issue.

After last year's handling of Les Miles, I'm not too sure that Alleva is far removed from being incompetent either.

So basically we have the three stooges.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

This is ALL Florida... ALL Florida.... and it still is. Florida is refusing to play the game at LSU. Again slow balling the commissioner (who has NO balls) until
It will be too late. There is nothing anyone can do at this point. Florida should be investigated criminally at this point for loss of revenue to LSU, the SEC, and for undermining the conference with intent.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

If we actually had an SEC commissioner Florida would be banned from bowl games this year and next year and we would all move on in life... problem solved.

 

[lawgator1]

You don't move a decent conference game site, too much money is involved. You cancel the crap FCS teams you have coming in and reset it, and pay off their contracts, which is a pittance compared to what is at stake with the conference game.

Florida's proposed solution to do that is entirely sensible. LSU is the hold up here, pure and simple.

 

[LSU-SIU]

It is based off of Aleva's presser yesterday. He came across like he has drawn a line in the sand and is daring the SEC make him cross it.

He is drawing a line in the sand because he is under legal obligation to protect the school, and the program.... and mitigate the damages for the SEC failure to mitigate the losses last week. You are actually by passing my question, which is why LSU had to lay it down and is the most important question.

Of all the entities, who is the only one to attempt to mitigate this last week and this week? As far as I know its LSU. There has been no alternatives suggested, which is why LSU threw down the law... the AD must limit LSU's losses.

 

[NorthDallas40]

This is ALL Florida... ALL Florida.... and it still is. Florida is refusing to play the game at LSU. Again slow balling the commissioner (who has NO balls) until
It will be too late. There is nothing anyone can do at this point. Florida should be investigated criminally at this point for loss of revenue to LSU, the SEC, and for undermining the conference with intent.

Sankey has the authority in the bylaws to mandate a scheduled date. He has a great deal of authority here. In fact he is the SOLE authority for postponing/cancelling games.

So he just states if the schools want to be considered in SEC div champion consideration they will chose a date and venue from a list of dates he gives them. He HAS the authority to do that from the bylaws. If they don't play for whatever reason determine punitive actions after the season at the May meeting of the league officers.

Then it takes the whole discussion off the table and nobody gives a ****.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Florida's proposed solution to do that is entirely sensible. LSU is the hold up here, pure and simple.

As far as I know LSU has not been offered anything, maybe I missed that somewhere. But LSU isn't going to eat the November 19th game for obvious reasons if that is the solution, nor should they morally, ethically or legally consider it. imo

 

[lawgator1]

As far as I know LSU has not been offered anything, maybe I missed that somewhere. But LSU isn't going to eat November 19th game for obvious reasons if that is the solution.

I'm sorry, you're right. You might need that win against South Alabama to be bowl eligible.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

I would sue the living life out that school if I were the SEC.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I'm sorry, you're right. You might need that win against South Alabama to be bowl eligible.

Possibly, but any AD would be fired for giving up a game and revenue in which it could have easily been avoided, the school acted in good faith, and that the other parties failed to mitigate. Florida played Stinkey like a fiddle, I fail to see how this goes any further. LSU is simply limited their damages, and that could be losses on the field at this point as well.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I would sue the living life out that school if I were the SEC.

For what?

I mean technically you can sue for any stupid reason, but this would not end well for the SEC.

 

[lawgator1]

Possibly, but any AD would be fired for giving up a game and revenue in which it could have easily been avoided, the school acted in good faith, and that the other parties failed to mitigate. Florida played Stinkey like a fiddle, I fail to see how this goes any further. LSU is simply limited their damages, and that could be losses on the field at this point as well.

We've been over this repeatedly. The decision to cancel the game, at the time, was entirely justified by the circumstances at the time.

The question now is, what do we do about it?

Of all the scenarios we've heard, each one causes someone some financial pain, that is true. But if the guarantee to South Alabama is covered, is the loss to LSU of that home game against that team the least harmful to the parties involved?

Do we screw over UGA and the City of Jacksonville? Does Florida have to switch a home game conference site? Those would be much worse financial consequences to the involved parties than the lost revenue to Baton Rouge not getting S Ala into town in mid freaking November.

I for one hope that Florida offers to share some of the revenue from a rescheduled game with LSU. Make it a formal offer. See what LSU says then.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

For what?

I mean technically you can sue for any stupid reason, but this would not end well for the SEC.

Loss of revenue LSU, Loss of revenue SEC, and if they made it through the rest of the year unbeaten because the extra bi week to get healthy... Loss of revenue University of Tennessee in the bowl. Add it all up. Then throw in the fact it has all been done from the start and continues to be done WITH INTENT. It is a federal offense grand larsony my friend.

 

[lawgator1]

Loss of revenue LSU, Loss of revenue SEC, and if they made it through the rest of the year unbeaten because the extra bi week to get healthy... Loss of revenue University of Tennessee in the bowl. Add it all up. Then throw in the fact it has all been done from the start and continues to be done WITH INTENT. It is a federal offense grand larsony my friend.

 

[LSU-SIU]

We've been over this repeatedly. The decision to cancel the game, at the time, was entirely justified by the circumstances at the time.

The question now is, what do we do about it?

Well, that is your opinion, I somewhat agree but somewhat disagree that the game needed to be postponed indefinitely on Wednesday. However, whether or not we agree or not is immaterial. I mean I said this was Florida's intention by Wednesday morning, I'm not really that smart so it must have been a wild guess... damn I'm so lucky.

There is nothing for "we" to do, if you mean the parties from what I know LSU is the only one to propose date before and after the week. So, there is nothing for LSU to do.

As far as LSU, I'm sure they would listen to suggestions but they have to mitigate the damages to LSU as they have a legal obligation to do so. They feel that this was done on purpose and that the SEC failed to mitigate, but at the end of the day they are not going to eat the money on November 19th and no reason person would agree to eat that at this point.

Georgia has already said no anyway, and its actually quite immaterial as the SEC also has December 3rd as well which would not damage LSU further.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Loss of revenue LSU, Loss of revenue SEC, and if they made it through the rest of the year unbeaten because the extra bi week to get healthy... Loss of revenue University of Tennessee in the bowl. Add it all up. Then throw in the fact it has all been done from the start and continues to be done WITH INTENT. It is a federal offense grand larsony my friend.

Haha. And lets say the SEC has a cause of action which I doubt they really do, LSU's defense will be lack of good faith effort by Florida/SEC and a failure for SEC to mitigate the damages. Of course, then comes the counter claim.

At this point, nobody has suggested a date to LSU, only LSU has. lol: As you see, Florida is very silent but Foley is laughing his ass off somewhere.

You're barking up the wrong tree.

 

[lawgator1]

LSU AD holds firm on UF makeup date: 'We're going to have a home game on Nov. 19' - SEC Blog- ESPN

“What I said the other day about this game being very difficult to reschedule is still true,” Alleva said Monday ahead of interim coach Ed Orgeron’s weekly press luncheon. “I think it’s very difficult. One thing that we’re going to hold very firm on is that we have a home game Nov. 19 and we’re going to have a home game on Nov. 19. We are going to have a home game on Nov. 19. We’re not going to change that situation.”

Like any good 6 year old ....

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

They won't. A 6-1 Florida will not represent the east in Atlanta over a 6-2 Tennessee. The SEC will make sure that happens. I'm fine with them not playing.

Lol LSU-SIU this all day. Sankey will not allow LSU and Floridas s**t to tarness the rest of the SEC.

 

[LSU-SIU]

LSU AD holds firm on UF makeup date: 'We're going to have a home game on Nov. 19' - SEC Blog- ESPN





Like any good 6 year old ....

Your AD should be in the bush league, I have to hand it to him a great cowardly plan but bush league. I will note he never said who they would or wouldn't play on November 19th. Florida shows up, I think LSU plays it.

The SEC might be able to schedule the game without the agreement at one of the sites or a neutral site, but you figure the teams might just play their OOC game anyway and/or not show up. LSU is basically saying they are fine with a forfeit.... no win is worth all this BS. All the easy solutions were only possible last week, as Florida was very aware of.