Bruce Feldman and Tim Brando criticize the SEC's handling of LSU/Florida

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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Not true, Alleva held a press conference today just to say LSU would be playing their home game on November 19th.

He also said if the SEC wants LSU to play Florida on their bye week October 29th then he wants Alabama to be made to play that weekend(Oct 29) on their bye also before Al vs Lsu play November 5th.


Yea Alleva just bending over backwards to make this happen. I hate Alabama but why bring them in this? Alleva looks as dumb as Foley in this mess!
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LSU is no victim in this incident. They are trying to dictate the outcome just as much as Florida. Both teams need to be sanctioned by the conference. If LSU was serious about playing the game then they should have flown in to Gainesville on sunny Saturday morning and told Florida we are here to play the game. These are the same idiots that required UT to come to Baton Rouge and play a game on a Monday night without any accommodations or practice time.

The only reason this game is not rescheduled at this point is for the advantage of each party. NO ONE, including the SEC, considered UT's conditions when requiring us to play that game in Baton Rouge on a Monday night.
 
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wmcovol said:
Cant blame LSU at this point.

Theyre expected to:

1) give up a home game
2) play 3 straight SEC road games
3) and give up the one "bye" weekend they had in their schedule vs their opponent the next week who has the same off week.

That's a lot to ask of someone who was willing to
1) Play sat
2) play sun
3) pay for Florida to come and play in BR
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LSU is no victim in this incident. They are trying to dictate the outcome just as much as Florida. Both teams need to be sanctioned by the conference. If LSU was serious about playing the game then they should have flown in to Gainesville on sunny Saturday morning and told Florida we are here to play the game. These are the same idiots that required UT to come to Baton Rouge and play a game on a Monday night without any accommodations or practice time.

The only reason this game is not rescheduled at this point is for the advantage of each party. NO ONE, including the SEC, considered UT's conditions when requiring us to play that game in Baton Rouge on a Monday night.
 
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onevol74 said:
LSU is no victim in this incident.
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I don't think they are a victim, they simply tried to play a game that the other team didn't want to play. Maybe a better word than victim is fed-up.

As far as I know -

LSU suggested the following:
- Anytime Saturday, Sunday, or Monday in Gainesville with or without a crowd
- Anytime Saturday, Sunday, or Monday in Baton Rouge with or without a crowd
- It is my understanding LSU proposed similar at neutral sites
- LSU made hotel reservation in NO and BR, and gave UF use of its plane

LSU suggested the following today:
- December 3rd in Georgia Dome
- October 29th if bye matches Alabama in Florida
- Possible November 19th (Senior Night), but that would have to be in Baton Rouge, and they kept it tight to the vest. ????

Suggestions from the SEC:
- NONE

Suggestions from UF:
- NONE other than the Saturday at 11am scheduled game


No reason for LSU to play these reindeer games. imo Its between the SEC and the other schools that give a crap, but you can't tango without two. Technically, I don't think LSU has formally rejected anything as it still doesn't appear anyone has made any proposals other than them.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
LSU suggested the following today:
- December 3rd in Georgia Dome
- October 29th if bye matches Alabama in Florida
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LSU-SIU, I have no doubt you all tried everything you could for this past weekend. America knows you all would have curbstomped Florida even on asphalt in a Walmart parking lot which is why Florida didnt want it.But those two suggestions of Allevas today is complete bs.

One, the SECCG can't be moved back with all of CFB schedule lining up and two, why would LSU think that AL would want to change their bye week and be made to play to appease a game that has nothing to do with them.

Foleys and Allevas suggestions are so far astronomically out there that there is no way it's even good ideas or even helping the situation.
 
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And heres my million dollar question.


If Alleva is saying there will be a Nov 19 home game because he doesn't want to lose the revenue, why does that matter when the SEC would compensate LSU for the money lost that weekend?
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
why would LSU think that AL would want to change their bye week and be made to play to appease a game that has nothing to do with them.
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Why would one expect LSU to care, given nobody cared to start with, and the game doesn't have to be played? I mean, it would seem LSU has done what it could, matter of fact, I believe LSU was the only one of the three to put proposals on the table..... as far as I know.

LSU should just not answer the phone call next week if Bama beats the Vols.

The rules cover this, the rules don't appear to favor LSU at this time.... LSU is probably out of it. No common dates, not possible to reschedule. Of course they can play on December 3rd, just like it was possible to play this past Saturday, Sunday and today....

You don't always get what you want. I suspect the game will not be rescheduled.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
So there you have it. It is totally up to Sankey 100%. If he says play it it must be played or the involved institutions are in violation of the SEC bylaws.
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This is only the conference games, the out of conference games have no effect as to the Commissioner, as far as I know. So, I assume that only leaves October 29th, and from what I was told Georgia AD already shot down any changes to their schedule, but I am not 100%. I seriously doubt they move all those schedules in the next week, time will tell.

So you are probably left with the following:

- December 3rd
- November 19th which you would have to have an agreement with both Florida and LSU, and someone is going to have to come up with some serious cash.

Which is why I say it isn't going to be played, as there is no incentive for Florida to pay for their home game on November 19th, even if LSU buyouts South Alabama.

I guess Tennessee could pay LSU $10-15m to go beat Florida on November 19th, but something tells me that check isn't coming.
 
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#435
#435
Nope. If Sankey says they play they play or you are in violation of the bylaws. Go read my earlier post. Choose to play your OOC. Fine. Then you forfeit and you are in violation and subject to sanction
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Nope. If Sankey says they play they play or you are in violation of the bylaws. Go read my earlier post. Choose to play your OOC. Fine. Then you forfeit and you are in violation and subject to sanction
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Take the forfeit, or play two games on November 19th. The scholarship team plays in Tiger Stadium, six walk ons take a trip first class to Gainesville.

Nothing like a 11 on 6 matchup. Should look great on TV.

I think all you need is six to play.... five on the line and a person to receive the snap on offense. I have to admit I don't like LSU's chances in Gainesville in this scenario. Las Vegas isn't going to like the outcome. :eek:lol: I'm thinking Florida 535 and LSU 0, it will bring with it... exactly how many TDs is it possible to score in a game.

For the record, Tennesse has a much much better chance at beating Alabama than LSU and Florida offering to give up their cupcake money.
 
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#437
#437
Fine take the forfeit. And then I want to see the sanctions that get levied against them for weighting OOC over SEC. Looking forward to it even.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Fine take the forfeit. And then I want to see the sanctions that get levied against them for weighting OOC over SEC. Looking forward to it even.
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Good luck, whatever you are smoking you need to pass it around. Let me guess.... LSU gets sanctioned for not winning. I don't think you understand how all this works.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
And heres my million dollar question.


If Alleva is saying there will be a Nov 19 home game because he doesn't want to lose the revenue, why does that matter when the SEC would compensate LSU for the money lost that weekend?
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Can you answer this one in my quote above? Since you all would be compensated and Alleva still says no makes me think it isn't about the money. More about who he plays 3 games in a row.

Im guessing Sankey will make a ruling and say LSU and Florida is not qualified to play in the SECCG with a full 8 game schedule.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Why would one expect LSU to care, given nobody cared to start with, and the game doesn't have to be played? I mean, it would seem LSU has done what it could, matter of fact, I believe LSU was the only one of the three to put proposals on the table..... as far as I know.

LSU should just not answer the phone call next week if Bama beats the Vols.

The rules cover this, the rules don't appear to favor LSU at this time.... LSU is probably out of it. No common dates, not possible to reschedule. Of course they can play on December 3rd, just like it was possible to play this past Saturday, Sunday and today....

You don't always get what you want. I suspect the game will not be rescheduled.
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The game will be played. Too much bad publicity for the league.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Can you answer this one in my quote above? Since you all would be compensated and Alleva still says no makes me think it isn't about the money. More about who he plays 3 games in a row. Im guessing Sankey will make a ruling and say LSU and Florida is not qualified to play in the SECCG with a full 8 game schedule.
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I am unsure of your question. However, if you are saying LSU should forgo its home game on November 19th to play in Florida.

Florida received money from yesterday or should from insurance. Florida would receive home receipts for the 19th but they would still have to pay the buyout.

LSU would be out home game receipts for the 19th and have to buy South Alabama's buyout which I heard is $1.5m by itself.

The rules seem to suggest the division winner is decided by percentage, if not, why would be talking about this? Not sure what the Commissioner can do to be honest.
 
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Is this correct?

1) a. LSU offered to play Sunday or Monday
or
b. LSU offered to send plane and provide lodging for Florida to play at LSU the weekend of Matthew.

2) Florida refused both offers, a and b.

3) Every other school in Florida, including high schools, either played the weekend game or has already rescheduled (ex. SC and Georgia).

4) Florida's women's teams traveled out of Gainsville and played.

5) Florida hosted football recruits the weekend the game did not occur.

6) SC traveled to LSU last year and played a "home" game at LSU.

7) Several years ago Tennesse traveled to LSU, played a game on Monday that went into overtime, and flew back after the game...could not stay in LA due to lack of available lodging.

8) If LSU agrees to the SEC pay out of the Nov. 19 game, even if they are "made whole" financially, their community and fans will lose financially (lose revenue for businesses, fans unable to travel due to time, money, ability to get tickets/lodging/etc. in Gainsville).

9) LSU will also have a killer schedule ongoing as to teams and days between games if they play on the 19th. (Given no sympathy if that is the pre season schedule, Tennessee has to play 4 tough teams in a row - no sympathy, it happens. This a mid season change, different.)

10) Will Fl suffer any negative consequences if they swap a home game vs Presbyterian to a game against LSU?
a. Given they don't get a pansy home game, but SEC makes the pay off to Presby.
b. There is one less home game...that is a lose of revenue and fan impact.
c. Would the Presby game be equivalent to the South Alabama for LSU game as far as fan attendance, revenue, etc? Any comparisons?

11) Is there really a reason why a tentative reschedule could not have been done for Sunday or Monday and then finalized or re set if circumstances required it?

12) SPECULATION--Does anyone think there is a "paper trail" of the communications showing one team, or both, acted with good intentions, or that one team, or both, was trying to work the system?

13) Does this event show a real weakness in the SEC or just a weak commissioner?

LSU-SIU and IloveDD, would like your all's input.

Sorry, I know I got your names wrong:blush:
 
#445
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LSU-SIU, you're cute, but this game WILL be played one way or the other, regardless of who it benefits or doesn't.

Just play the damn game on Nov 19th at a neutral site and get it over with
 
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Smallvol#1 said:
Is this correct?

1) a. LSU offered to play Sunday or Monday
or
b. LSU offered to send plane and provide lodging for Florida to play at LSU the weekend of Matthew.

2) Florida refused both offers, a and b.

3) Every other school in Florida, including high schools, either played the weekend game or has already rescheduled (ex. SC and Georgia).

4) Florida's women's teams traveled out of Gainsville and played.

5) Florida hosted football recruits the weekend the game did not occur.

6) SC traveled to LSU last year and played a "home" game at LSU.

7) Several years ago Tennesse traveled to LSU, played a game on Monday that went into overtime, and flew back after the game...could not stay in LA due to lack of available lodging.

8) If LSU agrees to the SEC pay out of the Nov. 19 game, even if they are "made whole" financially, their community and fans will lose financially (lose revenue for businesses, fans unable to travel due to time, money, ability to get tickets/lodging/etc. in Gainsville).

9) LSU will also have a killer schedule ongoing as to teams and days between games if they play on the 19th. (Given no sympathy if that is the pre season schedule, Tennessee has to play 4 tough teams in a row - no sympathy, it happens. This a mid season change, different.)

10) Will Fl suffer any negative consequences if they swap a home game vs Presbyterian to a game against LSU?
a. Given they don't get a pansy home game, but SEC makes the pay off to Presby.
b. There is one less home game...that is a lose of revenue and fan impact.
c. Would the Presby game be equivalent to the South Alabama for LSU game as far as fan attendance, revenue, etc? Any comparisons?

11) Is there really a reason why a tentative reschedule could not have been done for Sunday or Monday and then finalized or re set if circumstances required it?

12) SPECULATION--Does anyone think there is a "paper trail" of the communications showing one team, or both, acted with good intentions, or that one team, or both, was trying to work the system?

13) Does this event show a real weakness in the SEC or just a weak commissioner?

LSU-SIU and IloveDD, would like your all's input.

Sorry, I know I got your names wrong:blush:
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Forgot these nuggets about LSU but close.

Originally Posted by LSU-SIU:
This November 19th thing came from ESPN, LSU has said any discussion that it turned down that date is a lie.
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Orange_Vol1321 Not true, Alleva held a press conference today just to say LSU would be playing their home game on November 19th.

He also said if the SEC wants LSU to play Florida on their bye week October 29th then he wants Alabama to be made to play that weekend(Oct 29) on their bye also before Al vs Lsu play November 5th.
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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
LSU-SIU, you're cute, but this game WILL be played one way or the other, regardless of who it benefits or doesn't.

Just play the damn game on Nov 19th at a neutral site and get it over with
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I don't play football anymore.

I seriously doubt you'll be able to convince either Florida or LSU as that is probably about $10m loss of the 19th home games, then you have to pay 3rd party venue as well. That doesn't include local loss.

As far as I know, no proposed dates have been communicated to LSU. LSU appears to have offered Dec 3rd.
 
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Smallvol#1 said:
Is this correct?

1) a. LSU offered to play Sunday or Monday
or
b. LSU offered to send plane and provide lodging for Florida to play at LSU the weekend of Matthew.

2) Florida refused both offers, a and b.

3) Every other school in Florida, including high schools, either played the weekend game or has already rescheduled (ex. SC and Georgia).

4) Florida's women's teams traveled out of Gainsville and played.

5) Florida hosted football recruits the weekend the game did not occur.

6) SC traveled to LSU last year and played a "home" game at LSU.

7) Several years ago Tennesse traveled to LSU, played a game on Monday that went into overtime, and flew back after the game...could not stay in LA due to lack of available lodging.

8) If LSU agrees to the SEC pay out of the Nov. 19 game, even if they are "made whole" financially, their community and fans will lose financially (lose revenue for businesses, fans unable to travel due to time, money, ability to get tickets/lodging/etc. in Gainsville).

9) LSU will also have a killer schedule ongoing as to teams and days between games if they play on the 19th. (Given no sympathy if that is the pre season schedule, Tennessee has to play 4 tough teams in a row - no sympathy, it happens. This a mid season change, different.)

10) Will Fl suffer any negative consequences if they swap a home game vs Presbyterian to a game against LSU?
a. Given they don't get a pansy home game, but SEC makes the pay off to Presby.
b. There is one less home game...that is a lose of revenue and fan impact.
c. Would the Presby game be equivalent to the South Alabama for LSU game as far as fan attendance, revenue, etc? Any comparisons?

11) Is there really a reason why a tentative reschedule could not have been done for Sunday or Monday and then finalized or re set if circumstances required it?

12) SPECULATION--Does anyone think there is a "paper trail" of the communications showing one team, or both, acted with good intentions, or that one team, or both, was trying to work the system?

13) Does this event show a real weakness in the SEC or just a weak commissioner?

LSU-SIU and IloveDD, would like your all's input.

Sorry, I know I got your names wrong:blush:
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Very long.

I'll answer #13, Florida schooled the commissioner but now the SEC owns it.
 
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