Bruce Feldman and Tim Brando criticize the SEC's handling of LSU/Florida

[LSU-SIU]

I also believe that is completely within his authority. That is clear. Sankey can specify a date. He cannot force them to play. If they don't play then it goes to the league officers. My two statements are not mutually exclusive and can in fact exist within the current process. Try to keep up.

I'm not sure he can or cannot on a date previously given for OOC, but let's suppose he can, most probably the SEC will owe LSU and Florida damages. (not that I think it will come to that)

Also, you are speaking in absolutes, can the Commissioner set a date for 1 hour for now... yes, but the request would be unreasonable, which could be voided or voidable.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I'm not sure he can or cannot on a date previously given for OOC, but let's suppose he can, most probably the SEC will owe LSU and Florida damages. (not that I think it will come to that)

Damages would be resolved after the fact of he game behind scheduled and played/not played. Damages cannot be awarded before they have occurred.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Damages would be resolved after the fact of he game behind scheduled and played/not played. Damages cannot be awarded before they have occurred.

True. But once they receive notice they for instance would have to buyout South Alabama, just an example. And in theory, Florida would have to do the same, and of course, LSU could forfeit.

You figure damages could probably get into the $10-15m range, I would imagine.

 

[NorthDallas40]

True. But once they receive notice they for instance would have to buyout South Alabama, just an example. And in theory, Florida would have to do the same, and of course, LSU could forfeit.

You figure damages could probably get into the $10-15m range, I would imagine.

And likewise if the game is not played and UF some how makes it to SECCG while being in violation of the shall statement on 8 games UT would likely have damages also.

And this would all be after the fact of the game being played/forfeited in which multiple parties could legally claim damages regardless of the game outcome. UT being one of those parties.

Regardless the conference officers must do their duty if the institutions cannot fulfill their duty. That is clearly stated. Thus it will be resolved before the SECCG regardless of what UF and LSU decide to do ot decide not to do! Neither of those institutions are in the drivers seat if they do not fulfill their duty to resolve the scheduling conflict.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Like I've said previously, I don't believe it's possible to enforce such a rule. It's easy to argue for it in a situation like this where there are so many easily identifiable solutions, but what if something happens that causes a game to get cancelled during the last week of the season? What if there simply is no way to reschedule a game prior to the SECCG?

Again, that's different from the current situation, but it presents a problem with saying "play 8 games or you're disqualified."

LSU wins out and Florida wins out in the SEC and it's LSU vs Florida in the SECCG. Lil Nicky would blow a vein!

 

[bamawriter]

LSU wins out and Florida wins out in the SEC and it's LSU vs Florida in the SECCG. Lil Nicky would blow a vein!

Not if Bama's only loss is LSU. Then Bama goes at 7-1 over LSU at 6-1.

 

[LSU-SIU]

LSU wins out and Florida wins out in the SEC and it's LSU vs Florida in the SECCG. Lil Nicky would blow a vein!

LSU needs help, probably over Alabama, as LSU would be hurt by the percentages, if it went to divisional record, I think LSU needs Auburn to lose 1. We don't have to worry about that though, the chance of that happening are probably less than this game ever being played. LOL

 

[bamawriter]

LSU needs help, probably over Alabama, as LSU would be hurt by the percentages, if it went to divisional record, I think LSU needs Auburn to lose 1. We don't have to worry about that though, the chance of that happening are probably less than this game ever being played. LOL

If LSU finishes 6-1, they'd need Bama, A&M, and Auburn to each lose 1 other game.

 

[VolStrom]

I love this thread, I'm almost ready to put it in the "The Meltdown That is Happening" category. Our resident Gator fans are butt hurt because the entire nation is calling them out. Nothing like the entire country calling your team and AD a bunch of P*ssies.

Continue to whine LG.

 

[LSU-SIU]

If LSU finishes 6-1, they'd need Bama, A&M, and Auburn to each lose 1 other game.

True, but my figuring is all the other ones play each other anyway. I took the shortcut and just assumed Bama is going to win them all.

The only problems I see are this weekend (Vols), and maybe Knight/TAM, but that D is so Swiss cheese I just don't see it, but yes, in theory you are correct.

I'm not making reservations for December 3rd, that is for sure.

I had to edit the 10th for the 3rd, since that has come up over the week.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Not if Bama's only loss is LSU. Then Bama goes at 7-1 over LSU at 6-1.

So your saying Nick Saban won't start commenting on this situation unless he leaves knoxville with a loss, right?

 

[bamawriter]

So your saying Nick Saban won't start commenting on this situation unless he leaves knoxville with a loss, right?

Saban already said they need to play the game.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Saban already said they need to play the game.

Every single individual or institution other than Foley Alleva UF and LSU has said they need to play the game.

Even that feckless idiot Sankey says the need to play the game. He just has absolutely no idea it appears how to make that happen. Six months into his job and in his first test of leadership and authority has absolutely miserably failed in every fashion imaginable.

 

[onevol74]

I'm not sure he can or cannot on a date previously given for OOC, but let's suppose he can, most probably the SEC will owe LSU and Florida damages. (not that I think it will come to that)

Also, you are speaking in absolutes, can the Commissioner set a date for 1 hour for now... yes, but the request would be unreasonable, which could be voided or voidable.

The SEC owes LSU or Florida nothing. This is a disaster of their own making. In fact both teams used this situation to improve the health of their teams. I would have loved for UT to just omit aTm last weekend so we could get ready for Bama. Florida got a week off for Del Rio and LSU got a week off Fournette. That is an unfair advantage to the other teams in this conference.

 

[onevol74]

True. But once they receive notice they for instance would have to buyout South Alabama, just an example. And in theory, Florida would have to do the same, and of course, LSU could forfeit.

You figure damages could probably get into the $10-15m range, I would imagine.

Why would LSU forfeit? I thought they always want to act in "good faith?" Maybe they are not the program we think they are.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Every single individual or institution other than Foley Alleva UF and LSU has said they need to play the game.

Even that feckless idiot Sankey says the need to play the game. He just has absolutely no idea it appears how to make that happen. Six months into his job and in his first test of leadership and authority has absolutely miserably failed in every fashion imaginable.

The presidents and Chancellors of the schools are Sankeys boss. No way will they let this game go unplayed unless the decision to eliminate them from playing in the SECCG.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Why would LSU forfeit? I thought they always want to act in "good faith?" Maybe they are not the program we think they are.

If they forfeit after the SEC paying the fcs teams buyout I see LSU paying 1.5 mil back to the SEC.

 

[LA Vol]

maybe not. but slive got LSU to play the 05 game on Monday night once TN said they'd forfeit it if the only options were Saturday or Sunday.

True. Slive didn't have the authority to force them to play on Monday; he just told them-- very plainly-- why it would be in their best interests to do so. And both teams worked together and made concessions. The Vols had to fly in before gametime, go straight to the stadium, play the game and fly right back out. LSU tried to be accommodating, but UT didn't even have hotel rooms.

This situation could have worked out the same way... if Sankey weren't such a weak and ineffective leader.

 

[jakez4ut]

True. Slive didn't have the authority to force them to play on Monday; he just told them-- very plainly-- why it would be in their best interests to do so. And both teams worked together and made concessions. The Vols had to fly in before gametime, go straight to the stadium, play the game and fly right back out. LSU tried to be accommodating, but UT didn't even have hotel rooms.

This situation could have worked out the same way... if Sankey weren't such a weak and ineffective leader.

I don't disagree.

 

[LA Vol]

It would seem going backwards might be a waste of time and impossibility caused by the SEC. imo I think is unlikely the game is played.

- Remove the 8-game clause
- Decide between percentage or divisional record

1. Percentage helps Florida, hurts LSU.
2. Divisional record brings LSU to neutral, and hurts Florida from its current position.

I would think #2 would make LSU and Vol fans happier.

I think. Seriously, I would have rather LSU just got the forfeit last week and been done with all this.

IDT the game will be played, either. Almost every commentator, analyst and columnist emphatically insists it will, but from a practical standpoint, it's unlikely. Delay, delay, delay-- that's a popular legal tactic that UF has used to strategic advantage.

It will be interesting to see if Sankey has an announcement before this weekend. I doubt that he will. He'll want to wait and see if UT loses and UF wins. If that happens, the crap will hit the fan at warp speed and start spattering.

 

[onevol74]

Whatever floats your boat. lol:



When do you project the penalty and sanctions to be imposed?

Most probably once they found their equitable solution, they will cancel the game so it can't be played or the equitable solution will have to incorporate the event if the game is played in the future.

This is the reason LSU said last week the game was unlikely to be rescheduled, and I think they might have even hinted at it as early as Wednesday of last week. LSU probably already warned the SEC, my guess, but the SEC wasn't listening. I'm speculating but I think chances are high this is what happened.

Now what I find humorous is it appears the media and people think Florida and LSU are at war or something, that's just not the case. It became the SEC's problem around Thursday. (generally speaking) It wouldn't surprise me to find out Foley and Alleva haven't spoken in nearly a week. (again speculation, I don't know what they would talk about, the hurricane I guess)

I really hope this helps. Good luck guys, sincerely.

LSU and UF at war with each other? Are you crazy? This was an act of collusion to gain a competitive advantage by both programs. You even said the LSU has no desire to play this game. Both teams should be eliminated from conference championship competition and sanctioned.

 

[NorthDallas40]

LSU and UF at war with each other? Are you crazy? This was an act of collusion to gain a competitive advantage by both programs. You even said the LSU has no desire to play this game. Both teams should be eliminated from conference championship competition and sanctioned.

Uh oh. You've done it now. Now he is going to lecture you on the damages LSU is due and that they acted in good faith but are done trying. LSU is the victim and he is going to lecture you on why!!!

 

[onevol74]

Uh oh. You've done it now. Now he is going to lecture you on the damages LSU is due and that they acted in good faith but are done trying. LSU is the victim and he is going to lecture you on why!!!

The sad thing is that he sometimes does not seem to understand just how bad he makes LSU look in all of this.

I am beginning to think Orgeron used this situation to get his team healthy for that brutal west division. I think we all know just how ethical Orgeron is.

 

[LSU-SIU]

The SEC owes LSU or Florida nothing.

Actually, the SEC owes its members quite a lot, if you read them in the bylaw, you will probably see all of their responsibilities to its members. Of course, that is only some that are written, they also have normal obligations involved in contracts as well.

I have to assume you are referring to my comment about damages, in the event either team losses money as a result of the conference wanting to change either teams schedule, yes, it is very possible that the SEC would owe both team for damages as the SEC failed to mitigate the potential outcome which will result in the damages. (again, I say all this is very unlikely)

 

[LSU-SIU]

Why would LSU forfeit? I thought they always want to act in "good faith?" Maybe they are not the program we think they are.

LSU as far as I know acted in good faith, I haven't heard contrary so far. The SEC failed to mitigate the potential damage last week. LSU now has other obligations and contracts, and responsibility, LSU has a whole season, not just one game.

Not sure what is so difficult to understand.

I think you are being quite melodramatic about all this, it will probably work out but LSU has been harmed and there is a good possibility they are out of the West race because of this.

I'm not sure what you are so angry about.