Bryce Brown Announcement

[BillyHoyleVol]

There are die hard fans everywhere. Its absurd to think that one fan cares less due to gepgraphical location.

I think the whole "its a religion in the south" saying comes from our immense pride in the competiveness of our conference and the utter dominance that is SEC football. Its a different atmosphere...and really...a different kind of football.

The southeast is where the talent is headed. Look at Rivals top 25 classes. All but 2 SEC schools are in the top 25. Thats a total of 10 teams, 6 of which are in the top 12.

When you break the country down by geographical location and look at success that-a-way, you will (with a little rationalization) come to the conclusion that the southeast has shown in years past that we are superior (UT, LSU, BAMA, UGA, UF, AUBURN in the SEC...and even FSU, MIAMI and now UNC in the ACC). To touch upon the recruiting classes again: factor in MIAMI, FSU and UNC and the southeastern US makes up 60% of the top 25 in recruiting. Pretty impressive.

That said, it has nothing to do with how plugged in fans are.

For a duck fan and a guy living across the country, Mr. Wheaton was actually pretty well informed.

 

[NicktheVolFan]

Adding to my last comment, if a coach goes to a team in the Pac10 other than USC and goes 9-3 or 8-4 every year, he is elevated to saint status (belloti). But if one does the same at an SEC school other than Vandy, Kentucky, or Miss St., he is run out of town (Tommy T, Jim Donan)

 

[GoVols2003]

I still love the fact that pp.com broke the news about 5 mins before BB announced.....if not, who knows when I would have found out because this sight was having issues...

 

[NicktheVolFan]

I still love the fact that pp.com broke the news about 5 mins before BB announced.....if not, who knows when I would have found out because this sight was having issues...

Is that true? That site is like 9 months behind on everything. But the one thing that they should be behind on (as not to steal BB's thunder), they are five minutes early on.

 

[the.one.the.only]

There are die hard fans everywhere. Its absurd to think that one fan cares less due to gepgraphical location.

I think the whole "its a religion in the south" saying comes from our immense pride in the competiveness of our conference and the utter dominance that is SEC football. Its a different atmosphere...and really...a different kind of football.

The southeast is where the talent is headed. Look at Rivals top 25 classes. All but 2 SEC schools are in the top 25. Thats a total of 10 teams, 6 of which are in the top 12.

When you break the country down by geographical location and look at success that-a-way, you will (with a little rationalization) come to the conclusion that the southeast has shown in years past that we are superior (UT, LSU, BAMA, UGA, UF, AUBURN in the SEC...and even FSU, MIAMI and now UNC in the ACC). To touch upon the recruiting classes again: factor in MIAMI, FSU and UNC and the southeastern US makes up 60% of the top 25 in recruiting. Pretty impressive.

That said, it has nothing to do with how plugged in fans are.

For a duck fan and a guy living across the country, Mr. Wheaton was actually pretty well informed.

Uh, yes it does. Before recruits graduate HS and enroll in college, what do you think they are? Answer: They're fans, just like us. And they're influenced by what they see year in and year out just like us. Next question

 

[GoVols2003]

Is that true? That site is like 9 months behind on everything. But the one thing that they should be behind on (as not to steal BB's thunder), they are five minutes early on.

yeah, this site went down, I went to go vols extra (I could not get the live stream) and was refreshing to read the comments. Everybody was asking about the conference. Some said, they are doing the prayer now, while another guy says to check out the pp.com link...clicked it and boom there it was....

 

[the.one.the.only]

He basically said that his first choice was Oregon but his parents didn't approve. Interesting.



I think you need to get out, travel around and get to know some people out of town if you really think this.

Does me posting here for months about this indicate to you that football is just something people in the Northwest "enjoy on Saturdays"?

No, that informs me that you aren't from the Northwest.

 

[NicktheVolFan]

I will say one thing about the northwest. I am a huge NBA fan, and one of the teams that has the most fan support in the Association are the Portland Trailblazers, and they are one of the smallest markets in the league. They don't have the greatest number of fans, but their fans are loyal and supportive, even when their team sucked, was full of criminals and all but impossible to root for.

Edit-They got their butts beat by my Hawks on Sunday though (just in case you are a Blazers fan, Wheaton).

 

[BillyHoyleVol]

So what you're saying is that kids choose based on what they know?

I know this...do you think BB had any inkling of coming to UT before a certain coaching staff sold the hell out of the university?

Didn't think so. Besides, my point was that geographical location has nothing to do with how much a fan feels for his/her team. Maybe I didn't make that clear enough.

The general feeling around here is that southeastern fans care more and are more informed. That's a little presumptuous. Yes, the southeast does show superiority yearly, but that doesn't mean that we (as fans) are the upper echelon of fandom...or any more devoted than those out west.

Maybe I didn't word that well....My point was that dominance on and off the field has nothing to do with fandom...its hard work, good decision makers and a little bit of luck. Over time, tradition will play a factor, but college football is cyclical. What goes up must come down (even if its a 3 year swing) and vice versa.

 

[dembewbs]

Wheaton BB was asked at his press conf. who his 2nd pick would have been and he said K-State. And his 3rd probably would have been Miami or maybe LSU. So i think that oregon has been out of the mix for a while. I do agree that he probably would have picked oregon if he would have signed on signing day but luckliy he didnt.

 

[GoVols2003]

So what you're saying is that kids choose based on what they know?

I know this...do you think BB had any inkling of coming to UT before a certain coaching staff sold the hell out of the university?

Didn't think so. Besides, my point was that geographical location has nothing to do with how much a fan feels for his/her team. Maybe I didn't make that clear enough.

The general feeling around here is that southeastern fans care more and are more informed. That's a little presumptuous. Yes, the southeast does show superiority yearly, but that doesn't mean that we (as fans) are the upper echelon of fandom...or any more devoted than those out west.

Maybe I didn't word that well....My point was that dominance on and off the field has nothing to do with fandom...its hard work, good decision makers and a little bit of luck. Over time, tradition will play a factor, but college football is cyclical. What goes up must come down (even if its a 3 year swing) and vice versa.

I think that you are missing the point of our contention just a bit. We are not saying that someone like Wheaton cant be an fan equivalent of a southern. Just saying that there are more die hards in certain parts of the country like the south versus places like the northwest.

You could say the same about basketball in Indiana versus Tennessee or Alabama.

 

[the.one.the.only]

So what you're saying is that kids choose based on what they know?

I know this...do you think BB had any inkling of coming to UT before a certain coaching staff sold the hell out of the university?

Didn't think so. Besides, my point was that geographical location has nothing to do with how much a fan feels for his/her team. Maybe I didn't make that clear enough.

The general feeling around here is that southeastern fans care more and are more informed. That's a little presumptuous. Yes, the southeast does show superiority yearly, but that doesn't mean that we (as fans) are the upper echelon of fandom...or any more devoted than those out west.

Maybe I didn't word that well....My point was that dominance on and off the field has nothing to do with fandom...its hard work, good decision makers and a little bit of luck. Over time, heritage will play a factor, but college football is cyclical. What goes up must come down (even if its a 3 year swing) and vice versa.

No, it means that the percentage of fans that are informed are greater in the southeast than anywhere else. There are informed fans everywhere, but there aren't whole communities brought together by football in very many places but the southeast. Take HS football for example. I know where I grew up, on a fall friday night, you would know where 95% of the community would be. How many northwestern towns care that much about football? Like I said, it's just a game for most people. Down here, it's more than that. One would only understand that if one grew up in the southeast, and that's all I have to say about that.

 

[the.one.the.only]

I will say one thing about the northwest. I am a huge NBA fan, and one of the teams that has the most fan support in the Association are the Portland Trailblazers, and they are one of the smallest markets in the league. They don't have the greatest number of fans, but their fans are loyal and supportive, even when their team sucked, was full of criminals and all but impossible to root for.

Edit-They got their butts beat by my Hawks on Sunday though (just in case you are a Blazers fan, Wheaton).

Your Hawks? My Hawks. Ok Our Hawks

 

[NicktheVolFan]

Your Hawks? My Hawks. Ok Our Hawks

Gotta lock up the 4 seed!

 

[GoVols2003]

Gotta lock up the 4 seed!

We have the Grizzlies here. They sell out every night. :lolabove:

 

[the.one.the.only]

No, it means that the percentage of fans that are informed are greater in the southeast than anywhere else. There are informed fans everywhere, but there aren't whole communities brought together by football in very many places but the southeast. Take HS football for example. I know where I grew up, on a fall friday night, you would know where 95% of the community would be. How many northwestern towns care that much about football? Like I said, it's just a game for most people. Down here, it's more than that. One would only understand that if one grew up in the southeast, and that's all I have to say about that.

YouTube - ESPN Introduction to the 2004 Auburn-Tennessee Game - Part 1

YouTube - ESPN Introduction to the 2004 Auburn-Tennessee Game - Part 2

 

[wheaton4prez]

Did you just....... naw....... yep........ you did, you just built an entire mountain with that little mole hill. Good thing you had sour grapes to use for mortar.

When he says that he "loves Oregon... Would have picked them a long time ago... but, parents wouldn't let him..." what other interpretation did you make?

AMP: Bryce Brown talks about his decision - Rivals.com Video

It's not sour grapes. Just observing the facts at hand. It is a little disappointing to know the kids heart was in it for Oregon. But, I'm not one to think down on parents influencing a decision. Got to make mom and dad happy too. Nothing wrong with that.

I think one thing that makes the SEC different than every other conference is that there are 7 or 8 schools who's fans genuinely think their team should be a national contender every year. UT, UF, UGA, LSU, BAMA, Aub, and to a lesser extent Ole Miss and Arky all believe that their teams should win 10 games a year.

I would agree with this point. Comparing the conferences over-all, the average SEC team following is bigger than Pac-10. Stanford and Cal fans are not intense. But, I think that Oregon fans compare with any SEC teams fan base. Autzen has been sold out every home game since 2002. The only reason it hasn't been expanded is that the hippies in the academic departments kick up a rally every time money is donated to athletics.

I think the whole "its a religion in the south" saying comes from our immense pride in the competiveness of our conference and the utter dominance that is SEC football. Its a different atmosphere...and really...a different kind of football.

Not to take anything away from SEC fans. I agree that people love football in SEC country. It's just not the only place where that happens. Not the only place where there are competitive teams.

I agree that it's a different kind of football. It's a lot more focused on defense and cloud-of-dust, grind-it-out offense. Pac-10 is more focused on innovative offense.

The southeast is where the talent is headed. Look at Rivals top 25 classes. All but 2 SEC schools are in the top 25. Thats a total of 10 teams, 6 of which are in the top 12.

The SEC had a good showing THIS YEAR. Just last year, the Pac-10 had the exact same ratio of teams in the top 25 (50%) as the SEC. These things fluctuate from year to year.

 

[wheaton4prez]

No, that informs me that you aren't from the Northwest.

Born and raised.

Edit-They got their butts beat by my Hawks on Sunday though (just in case you are a Blazers fan, Wheaton).

I am a Blazers fan when I watch basketball. But, for me, football is the only sport. I just can't always get into a bball game..

Wheaton BB was asked at his press conf. who his 2nd pick would have been and he said K-State. And his 3rd probably would have been Miami or maybe LSU. So i think that oregon has been out of the mix for a while. I do agree that he probably would have picked oregon if he would have signed on signing day but luckliy he didnt.

I agree that they have probably been out of the mix for a while. But, that apparently was not a decision made by Brown. They probably just told him that they wouldn't be able to make it to as many games if they were going to be flying clear across the country between Miami and Oregon.

How many northwestern towns care that much about football? Like I said, it's just a game for most people. Down here, it's more than that. One would only understand that if one grew up in the southeast, and that's all I have to say about that.

Northwestern towns love football as much as anyone. I hate to say it. But, the problem here is not geography but demographics.

 

[Demon_Vol]

Ok I just listened to the interview with Bryce Brown. I didn't hear him say that his parents wouldn't let him go to Oregon. What I heard him say was that if he were going to make a fleshly decision that he would have chosen Oregon a long time ago, and that he loved Oregon. His parents told him not to make a fleshly decision, to make a spiritual decision. If spiritually Oregon would have been the pick he would have gone to Oregon. His parents told him to keep to stick to the plan, and follow their faith, make sure he was making the right decision by what the entire family believes. Not once did he say his parents told him he could not go to Oregon. Selective hearing much?

 

[ThatVolGuy]

It's not sour grapes. Just observing the facts at hand. It is a little disappointing to know the kids heart was in it for Oregon.

The fact that he didn't end up at Oregon makes the point moot, I'd think. I mean, what's the significance? You can tell us he wanted to go to Oregon till you're blue in the face, but the address on the LOI is all that matters.

Not to take anything away from SEC fans. I agree that people love football in SEC country. It's just not the only place where that happens.

Well, duh. Of course it's not. It "happens" much more consistently here than anywhere else, however.

 

[dembewbs]

I agree that they have probably been out of the mix for a while. But, that apparently was not a decision made by Brown. They probably just told him that they wouldn't be able to make it to as many games if they were going to be flying clear across the country between Miami and Oregon.



Wheaton they will probably fly to UT also.

 

[GoVols2003]

YouTube - ESPN Introduction to the 2004 Auburn-Tennessee Game - Part 1

YouTube - ESPN Introduction to the 2004 Auburn-Tennessee Game - Part 2

As good as a narrative as that was, I am not so sure that it did it proper justice. One can never know until they have experienced in person.

 

[BillyHoyleVol]

You can't except a compliment can you?

SEC will turn that out WAY more often than the PAC-10. You take away USC and you guys haven't got much in the line of a winning tradition to hang your hat on. I was just talking about how the southeast fan is a little quick to jump to claim superiority...but I guess it can be hard when some people just won't accept reality.

I think you are a HUGE UofO fan. No doubt. You're a homer. Guess what?! ME TOO!

But c'mon bro, be honest....how do you think that Oregon would fair playing an SEC schedule?

 

[the.one.the.only]

As good as a narrative as that was, I am not so sure that it did it proper justice. One can never know until they have experienced in person.

It's all I got man lol

And ya I agree completely. Wheaton I have nothing left to say, you just don't understand.

 

[ThatVolGuy]

Northwestern towns love football as much as anyone. I hate to say it. But, the problem here is not geography but demographics.

Just to make sure I'm not misinterpreting your words, feel free to elaborate.