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I have said for awhile Butler isn't going to be as influential as people think. Mr. Brown will be critical, but so will his mother. She was the one who grew very weary of the recruiting process in January and kind of caused the break from it. But overall, your point is correct.

Great post, Kevin... and thanks for all the work you've done for the Vols in recruiting Bryce!

Question: Do you think the Vols should have pursued/encouraged Arthur Jr to transfer? Co-location of the two sons seem to be what the parents want or am I misreading/speculating too much concerning BB's parents' interests?
 
VSPN, do you think we can expect any more information or interviews to overanalyze between now and the 16th, or is it going to stay fairly quiet until then? can you comment on the current relationship between Kiff and Bryce's parents?

I think it's going to be pretty quiet, at least from the Browns. I don't foresee them nor know of them taking any actions to warrant much conversation.

Bryce is on a fast right now, weighing his decision. That's something that gets said in his interviews, but gets ignored. Mainstream media guys and most fans like to harp on a lot of the things they hear him say they perceive as "negative", but they omit or ignore that his decision making process does and always has included a fasting period. He and his family have deep religious beliefs and that's what he's doing now.

Great post, Kevin... and thanks for all the work you've done for the Vols in recruiting Bryce!

Question: Do you think the Vols should have pursued/encouraged Arthur Jr to transfer? Co-location of the two sons seem to be what the parents want or am I misreading/speculating too much concerning BB's parents' interests?

Firstly, just so there's no misinterpretation by people who have bad intentions, I have done anything to "recruit" Bryce. I have shown interest in Bryce since he was open to talking to me and have kept up with him since then. I think Bryce has heard my defense of him on several media outlets and that's a big reason he maintains an open line of communication. I don't ever promote UT to Bryce, I don't try and persuade him to come to UT and I don't try and alter anything he says or thinks. That's a very, very touchy subject and I don't want anyone out there to be able to misconstrue what it is I actually do.

On Arthur Jr., I think you are right on they would like to see the two boys together. However, I don't think it's a deciding factor. I think it falls into the "it would be nice" category. Bryce has openly told me his brother has encouraged him, along with his parents, to do what's best for himself, no matter where that takes him.

I don't believe UT should have done anymore than they have regarding Arthur, Jr. I can't speak for UT's actions and don't know if they've had any contact with anyone about Arthur, but I have a suspicion that the family believed if Arthur wanted to transfer, he probably could. Take that FWIW, as it's nothing but speculation on my part.
 
Firstly, just so there's no misinterpretation by people who have bad intentions, I have done anything to "recruit" Bryce. I have shown interest in Bryce since he was open to talking to me and have kept up with him since then. I think Bryce has heard my defense of him on several media outlets and that's a big reason he maintains an open line of communication. I don't ever promote UT to Bryce, I don't try and persuade him to come to UT and I don't try and alter anything he says or thinks. That's a very, very touchy subject and I don't want anyone out there to be able to misconstrue what it is I actually do.

On Arthur Jr., I think you are right on they would like to see the two boys together. However, I don't think it's a deciding factor. I think it falls into the "it would be nice" category. Bryce has openly told me his brother has encouraged him, along with his parents, to do what's best for himself, no matter where that takes him.

I don't believe UT should have done anymore than they have regarding Arthur, Jr. I can't speak for UT's actions and don't know if they've had any contact with anyone about Arthur, but I have a suspicion that the family believed if Arthur wanted to transfer, he probably could. Take that FWIW, as it's nothing but speculation on my part.


Thanks!

Also, sorry that was a very poor choice of words in my earlier post (e.g. 'recruit' was the wrong way to phrase that), but you handled it very well. You've been quite professional in your interactions with BB and I didn't mean to imply otherwise.

It's nice to have an outlet through which we Vols fans can hear what BB actually says without all the typical media filters and distortions that have misrepresented him and the extraordinary character he has. You have provided that.
 
The more I hear and read about Bryce the more respect I have for him. He has taken so much flack for prolonging his recruitment and because of his association with Butler. This is the biggest decision of his life, so why not make it right. If you look back....most of the great running backs throughout history were very unique and intelligent in there own way (Jim Brown. Walter Peyton. Barry Sanders, Eric Dickerson, Hershcel Walker..) to name a few. I know Bryce has a long way to go to be mentioned with these guys...but they are all so different but in the same sense.. maybe thats what makes them so special. I really hope this kid comes to UT, but if not I believe he will eventually be one of the greats...
 
I think it's going to be pretty quiet, at least from the Browns. I don't foresee them nor know of them taking any actions to warrant much conversation.

Bryce is on a fast right now, weighing his decision. That's something that gets said in his interviews, but gets ignored. Mainstream media guys and most fans like to harp on a lot of the things they hear him say they perceive as "negative", but they omit or ignore that his decision making process does and always has included a fasting period. He and his family have deep religious beliefs and that's what he's doing now.



Firstly, just so there's no misinterpretation by people who have bad intentions, I have done anything to "recruit" Bryce. I have shown interest in Bryce since he was open to talking to me and have kept up with him since then. I think Bryce has heard my defense of him on several media outlets and that's a big reason he maintains an open line of communication. I don't ever promote UT to Bryce, I don't try and persuade him to come to UT and I don't try and alter anything he says or thinks. That's a very, very touchy subject and I don't want anyone out there to be able to misconstrue what it is I actually do.

On Arthur Jr., I think you are right on they would like to see the two boys together. However, I don't think it's a deciding factor. I think it falls into the "it would be nice" category. Bryce has openly told me his brother has encouraged him, along with his parents, to do what's best for himself, no matter where that takes him.

I don't believe UT should have done anymore than they have regarding Arthur, Jr. I can't speak for UT's actions and don't know if they've had any contact with anyone about Arthur, but I have a suspicion that the family believed if Arthur wanted to transfer, he probably could. Take that FWIW, as it's nothing but speculation on my part.

Thank goodness we aren't recruiting him against GA then, cause we would have no chance!:lolabove:
 
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Thanks!

Also, sorry that was a very poor choice of words in my earlier post (e.g. 'recruit' was the wrong way to phrase that), but you handled it very well. You've been quite professional in your interactions with BB and I didn't mean to imply otherwise.

It's nice to have an outlet through which we Vols fans can hear what BB actually says without all the typical media filters and distortions that have misrepresented him and the extraordinary character he has. You have provided that.

Don't worry about it at all. I just needed to be clear on my end. I've already had an instance where someone tried to make something of nothing, and it cost me a couple interviews with a couple of big name recruits.

I just want to make sure that doesn't happen again.
 
All right guys,

What are our chances with these stud since he has decided to open up his recruitment due to discouraging news out of PT at Miami thanks to his brother? The Giles thing maybe good for us because then we may set out sights on this one.

I wonder if david oku's commitment effects bryce brown's. id much rather get brown but if they both come than that would be amazing. dou threat. amazing :pepper:
 
I think it's going to be pretty quiet, at least from the Browns. I don't foresee them nor know of them taking any actions to warrant much conversation.

Bryce is on a fast right now, weighing his decision. That's something that gets said in his interviews, but gets ignored. Mainstream media guys and most fans like to harp on a lot of the things they hear him say they perceive as "negative", but they omit or ignore that his decision making process does and always has included a fasting period. He and his family have deep religious beliefs and that's what he's doing now.



Firstly, just so there's no misinterpretation by people who have bad intentions, I have done anything to "recruit" Bryce. I have shown interest in Bryce since he was open to talking to me and have kept up with him since then. I think Bryce has heard my defense of him on several media outlets and that's a big reason he maintains an open line of communication. I don't ever promote UT to Bryce, I don't try and persuade him to come to UT and I don't try and alter anything he says or thinks. That's a very, very touchy subject and I don't want anyone out there to be able to misconstrue what it is I actually do.

On Arthur Jr., I think you are right on they would like to see the two boys together. However, I don't think it's a deciding factor. I think it falls into the "it would be nice" category. Bryce has openly told me his brother has encouraged him, along with his parents, to do what's best for himself, no matter where that takes him.

I don't believe UT should have done anymore than they have regarding Arthur, Jr. I can't speak for UT's actions and don't know if they've had any contact with anyone about Arthur, but I have a suspicion that the family believed if Arthur wanted to transfer, he probably could. Take that FWIW, as it's nothing but speculation on my part.


Great stuff.
 
Okay... I keep hearing different dates for his announcement from members of the media. Is it the 16th or the 12th?
 
In turn, Butler recommends Oregon, because Butler fantasizes that Nike will do for Butler's business what it has done for others in the sports world. His recommendation is purely self-serving as any professional representing BB would have ruled out Oregon long, long ago.

Do you have any evidence whatsoever that Butler recommended Oregon? Maybe Brown, like many other recruits in the nation, followed them himself and had his own interest.

The top recruit in the nation has a lot more choices that serve the NFL objective far, far better than does a program that has never won a national championship. All 3 of the other options are vastly superior to Oregon. It is the one that doesn't belong on the list.

The problem with your idea is that Oregon just sent an RB to the NFL as a junior in the 1st round. He scored 10 TD's as a rookie.

My views are not directed to you and your vanity, Wheaton. Thus, there is no need to tell me how you had a better W/L record last year, your preseason ranking for next year is higher, that Lane Kiffin cannot recruit the same talent to Knoxville that he did to USC, or any of that other horse manure that has nothing to do with BB's objectives; you've posted enough already). I've already considered all that bogus crap in forming these opinions.

I have never said that Kiffin can't recruit talent. That came from your own imagination. But, aside from that, you're forgetting a key point in your list (in addition to Jonathan Stewart):

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Wheaton has me convinced Oregon is the superior choice.

Every program has their pros and cons. I just think that UT's pros have more to do with geographical, convenience factors than football ones. Oregon is the best fit for Brown in football terms.
 
Oregon did not run against. Bama, AU, UGA, UF, or SC either. Pac-10 teams will have better offensive numbers than most SEC teams cause they don't have the same caliber defenses.
 
Oregon did not run against. Bama, AU, UGA, UF, or SC either. Pac-10 teams will have better offensive numbers than most SEC teams cause they don't have the same caliber defenses.

If true (and I'm skeptical), wouldn't that hurt an RB's chances for the NFL? Why would an RB purposely choose to go to a league where defense is the focus and his resume will be less impressive? It didn't hurt NFL opportunity for Lendale White, Reggie Bush, Jonathan Stewart, etc. to play in the Pac-10.

What difference do you think it makes in terms of offense? 5% tougher in the SEC? 10%? Because Oregon is showing to be about 200% better than all other teams on the list at running the ball.
 
If true (and I'm skeptical), wouldn't that hurt an RB's chances for the NFL? Why would an RB purposely choose to go to a league where defense is the focus and his resume will be less impressive? It didn't hurt NFL opportunity for Lendale White, Reggie Bush, Jonathan Stewart, etc. to play in the Pac-10.

What difference do you think it makes in terms of offense? 5% tougher in the SEC? 10%? Because Oregon is showing to be about 200% better than all other teams on the list at running the ball.

You threw up some stats, I give you my opinion that Oregon would not rush for that in the SEC.

By the way, that group you listed may have one good full time NFL back in it.
 
You threw up some stats, I give you my opinion that Oregon would not rush for that in the SEC.

By the way, that group you listed may have one good full time NFL back in it.

I respect your opinion. I guess that's what I'm saying. It's something that can't really be proven because it won't happen. So, it's an opinion.

Pfft. Those backs aren't good. Right. How about 1st round picks Lynch and Jackson? NFL nobodies? I think my point stands that there are multiple examples of RBs that were star recruits, played in the Pac-10 and went high in NFL drafts. Arguments over what they did once there are verging into a new subject relying on a lot of non-college related factors (what team they ended up on, etc.).
 
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maybe he has put off his decision cause he's reading all these message boards waiting for us to make up his mind.:D
 
Lendale White is pretty fat. But, he sure seems to be able to move it. :)

Lynch, Jackson are both proven backs. Stewart is just getting started. Addai and Williams have been down-hill. Ronnie Brown is the only SEC stand-out still looking strong. (just referencing 1st round selections from past 8 years here). McFadden and Jones are looking similar to Reggie Bushes.
 
If true (and I'm skeptical), wouldn't that hurt an RB's chances for the NFL? Why would an RB purposely choose to go to a league where defense is the focus and his resume will be less impressive? It didn't hurt NFL opportunity for Lendale White, Reggie Bush, Jonathan Stewart, etc. to play in the Pac-10.

What difference do you think it makes in terms of offense? 5% tougher in the SEC? 10%? Because Oregon is showing to be about 200% better than all other teams on the list at running the ball.

You seriously are skeptical the SEC has far superior defenses to the Pac-10? Look at the sheer amount of talent the SEC puts into the NFL on both sides of the ball, not just defense.

Look at the results of bowl games. By your logic, Florida's defense is 350% better than everyone in the Big 12's since they hold Oklahoma to 14 points in a year when they were averaging 51.1.


And what do you think is more impressive, racking up big numbers against nothing defenses, or racking up good numbers against stiff competition? If the NFL followed your logic, the league would be filled with NAIA players.
 
How in hell does this thread continue to turn into an SEC vs PAC 10 or Oregon vs UT debate even though it's been repeatedly said for it not to?
 
Lendale White is pretty fat. But, he sure seems to be able to move it. :)

Lynch, Jackson are both proven backs. Stewart is just getting started. Addai and Williams have been down-hill. Ronnie Brown is the only SEC stand-out still looking strong. (just referencing 1st round selections from past 8 years here). McFadden and Jones are looking similar to Reggie Bushes.

Wheaton,

You are the gay guy in a redneck bar ordering milk. Go away.

This is the Bryce Brown thread and thats it. Everytime I come in here it is OU OU Pac 10. Let it go. Go Away.
 
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