'19 CA LB Henry To'oto'o (Tennessee Signee)

[Crazy Ivan]

One of Anderson counties finest, graduate of claxton elementary, can count to 10 without using fingers.

 

[Tidal Surge]

Wrong. A transfer is not an initial counter. They have already counted in their original class. Suck it.

Wrong. Previously counting toward annual limits at a school that a transfer leaves does not exempt that transfer from counting toward annual limits at his new school. That's a message board myth. There is no such provision in the NCAA Bylaws.

 

[bignewt]

Wrong. Previously counting at another school does not exempt an incoming transfer from counting toward the limits at the school a player is transfering to.

Wrong. it most definitely does unless its a GRAD transfer. did hurd count against baylors 17class? No. Otherwise why would you take a transfer and use up a spot when the kid has to sit out that year? Spots are for initial counters, if you graduate that resets you to an initial counter. Go back to your coloring book.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Wrong. it most definitely does unless its a GRAD transfer.

BigNewt Johnson is right!

 

[Tidal Surge]

Wrong. it most definitely does unless its a GRAD transfer. did hurd count against baylors 17class? No. Otherwise why would you take a transfer and use up a spot when the kid has to sit out that year? Spots are for initial counters, if you graduate that resets you to an initial counter. Go back to your coloring book.

You cannot quote anything from the NCAA Bylaws that proves you're right -- because it doesn't exist. The NCAA Bylaws are not a coloring book.

 

[Tidal Surge]

Transfers (all types) do count toward annual signee and initial counter limits. There's nothing in the Bylaws stating that transfers are exempt. Per section 13.9.2.3, both prospective student-athletes and student-athletes (all-inclusive) do count toward the signee limits. 15.02.3 defines "counter" as an individual (all-inclusive) who is on a countable scholarship. 15.02.3.1 defines “initial counter” as a counter (all-inclusive) who is receiving an initial countable scholarship.

NCAA Bylaws: (PDF - free download)

13.9.2.3 Limitation on the Number of National Letter of Intent/Offer of Financial Aid Signings. [FBS] For the football bowl subdivision, there shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of prospective student-athletes who may sign a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid and student-athletes who may sign a financial aid agreement for the first time. (Revised: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)

13.9.2.3.1 Application. [FBS] A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent (NLI) or an institutional offer of financial aid or student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided in the fall term of an academic year shall count toward the annual limit on signings for that academic year. A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent (NLI) or an institutional offer of financial aid or student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided during the second or third term of the academic year may count toward the limit for that academic year or the next academic year. (Revised: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)

15.02.3 Counter. A “counter” is an individual who is receiving institutional financial aid that is countable against the aid limitations in a sport.

15.02.3.1 Initial Counter. An “initial counter” is a counter who is receiving countable financial aid in a sport for the first time. (See Bylaw 15.5.6.3 in football for instances in which the institution is permitted to defer the counting of such financial aid until the following academic year.)

 

[CreiveHallVol]

Wrong. it most definitely does unless its a GRAD transfer. did hurd count against baylors 17class? No. Otherwise why would you take a transfer and use up a spot when the kid has to sit out that year? Spots are for initial counters, if you graduate that resets you to an initial counter. Go back to your coloring book.

Boom!

 

[Tidal Surge]

Boom!

 

[bignewt]

then why doesnt he show up in our class rankings on the recruiting sites? Why? BECAUSE HE DOESNT COUNT TOWARD THE CLASS. You should find a better coloring book that bogus bylaw one sounds boring and you still cant stay inside the lines.

 

[Tidal Surge]

then why doesnt he show up in our class rankings on the recruiting sites? Why? BECAUSE HE DOESNT COUNT TOWARD THE CLASS. You should find a better coloring book that bogus bylaw one sounds boring and you still cant stay inside the lines.

That is not the reason recruiting sites only include HS and Juco players for class ranking purposes. Undergrad and grad transfers aren't included because their rankings as recruits were from a different year. It certainly doesn't prove incoming undergrad transfers don't count toward annual signings and initial counter limits. I posted the NCAA Bylaws sections that prove they do count. Idk why you call the pertinent NCAA Bylaws bogus. What's actually bogus is the erroneous notion (perpetuated on message boards) that undergrad transfers don't count toward annual signing and initial counter limits. It appears to me you've been mislead by other posters who were wrong about it.

 

[bignewt]

That is not the reason recruiting sites only include HS and Juco players for class ranking purposes. Undergrad and grad transfers aren't included because their rankings as recruits were from a different year. It certainly doesn't prove incoming undergrad transfers don't count toward annual signings and initial counter limits. I posted the NCAA Bylaws sections that prove they do count. Idk why you call the pertinent NCAA Bylaws bogus. What's actually bogus is the erroneous notion (perpetuated on message boards) that undergrad transfers don't count toward annual signing and initial counter limits. It appears to me you've been mislead by other posters who were wrong.

You must have been the kid in grade school who brought out the kickball rule book and then was put in a trash can, with the book. Go back to the bama boards and help them understand how you can take 30 this year.

 

[butchna]

That is not the reason recruiting sites only include HS and Juco players for class ranking purposes. Undergrad and grad transfers aren't included because their rankings as recruits were from a different year. It certainly doesn't prove incoming undergrad transfers don't count toward annual signings and initial counter limits. I posted the NCAA Bylaws sections that prove they do count. Idk why you call the pertinent NCAA Bylaws bogus. What's actually bogus is the erroneous notion (perpetuated on message boards) that undergrad transfers don't count toward annual signing and initial counter limits. It appears to me you've been mislead by other posters who were wrong.

This really has you upset.

 

[Brillovol]

For the football bowl subdivision, there shall be an annual limit of 25...who may sign a financial aid agreement for the first time.

You need to read the whole sentence there bub. If they’ve aready signed a NLI in FBS, then they are no longer an initial qualifier and thus just a qualifier.

Not sure why grad transfers are handled differently, but I don’t really care. All I know is that they count. Not worth my time to research it beyond what I’ve already spent on it.

 

[DD4ME]

I got a

 

[DD4ME]

 

[Tidal Surge]

You need to read the whole sentence there bub. If they’ve aready signed a NLI in FBS, then they are no longer an initial qualifier and thus just a qualifier.

Not sure why grad transfers are handled differently, but I don’t really care. All I know is that they count. Not worth my time to research it beyond what I’ve already spent on it.

Nope (assuming "counter" is what you meant when you said "qualifer"). It's understandable that some people misinterpret "for the first time" in that way. However, the words "for the first time" refer to both "prospective student-athletes" (HS) and "student-athletes" (transfers) receiving a new countable scholarship at the school providing it.

Facts: Anyone who receives a new scholarship from a school counts toward the 85 total counters limit and also counts toward the 25 annual signings and initial counters limits at that school. Transfers have always counted toward the annual 25 inital counters limits at the schools they transfer to. The annual signings limit became effective for signings on or after 8/1/17, and now transfers also count toward those annual limits at the schools they transfer to. You can ask any knowledgeable staff member in the compliance department at any FBS university and they'll tell you those are indeed facts -- see my next post:

 

[85SugarVol]

@LA Vol is good at this kinda stuff, contracts, bylaws, and what not.

Do transfers count more than once?

 

[Tidal Surge]

Dandy Don’s Q&A with Blair Napolitano on 25-Signing Cap, Transfers, Walk-ons, and More

Ever since the NCAA instituted a few policy changes and the early signing period, there has been a lot of uncertainty about the so-called 25-signing cap. What does this mean for back-counting mid-term enrollees, for transfers, and for managing a roster of 85 scholarship players when there is unexpected attrition? In order to clear it all up, we at DandyDon.com reached out to Blair Napolitano, LSU's Assistant Athletic Director for Compliance, who was very gracious in supplying these definitive answers.

Dandy Don: Do all transfers (graduate transfers and undergraduate transfers) count toward the signing limitation per class?

Napolitano: Yes. Any incoming student enrolling at LSU for the first time – graduate transfer, undergraduate transfers (junior college and four-year) or any high school student – count toward the 25 for that year. For instance, DT Breiden Fehoko, who transferred to LSU from Texas Tech after the 2016 season, counts in the Tigers' 2017 signing class from last February.

 

[volKano]

NERD ALERT!!!!!

 

[Tidal Surge]

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Yet another thread where TN fans are conversing with rival fan trolls. Smh. When are some of you going to learn?

 

[MiramarVol]

This thread is jacked up....Just saying.

 

[Orange Studs]

Between the flood of FF invaders and Bama, UF posters its become a zoo in here. lol

 

[PYSCHO]

Between the flood of FF invaders and Bama, UF posters its become a zoo in here. lol

Cause their boards suck and they are over here seeing what’s cooking in ktown

 

[Orange Studs]

Cause their boards suck and they are over here seeing what’s cooking in ktown

Can't argue with that. lol We are the best!