'18 CA QB JT Shrout (UT signee)

[butchna]

Let's not have a peeing match arguing about who is the better QB. They both leave a lot to be desired. CJP will put in who he thinks is the best one. I'd say no position is a lock, and each will be evaluated, and the best athletes will be placed in the starting roles. Normady will be a senior, Guarantano a Junior, McBride a sophomore, each with some game experience now. Give any one of these boys some protection and establish a smash-mouth running game, I believe all three could be successful at the QB position. I hope we can pull in the recruits on the OL, because like CJP said, "it all starts in the trenches." Aight?! :yes:

Guarantano will be a sophomore (RS).

 

[k-town_king]

Don't worry about "king". He thinks JG walks on water and will never see any flaw he has. He made a career our of falsely trashing QD.

JG has great arm talent. He isn't really a "dual threat" QB. Not much of a runner. Mobile... but not someone likely to become a big part of the run game. His problems are above the shoulders. He was only able to run a limited portion of the old system even at the end of his 2nd season in the program. Whether he struggles in that regard or just hasn't had the dedication, he was beaten out by QD in spite of Jones' desire to hand him the job because he trailed so badly in knowing the playbook. He also hasn't shown an ability to make pre or post snap reads. He also shows a lack of maturity that hurts his ability to lead the team.

ALL of this becomes even more important if they move back toward a more pro-style O.

QD made mistakes with the ball trying to play in Jones' system with receivers who often didn't do their jobs or else didn't know what to do. He isn't as mobile as JG. He doesn't have the pure arm talent that JG has though he has plenty of arm. He by far and away demonstrated the most mastery of reads and playbook knowledge. By every account I've seen, QD has a good attitude and is a respected leader of the team.

Outside of an emergency, McBride probably won't play again at UT. He's not a pro-style QB and will be recruited over. I would not be surprised at all if he recognizes this and leaves before next August.

I'm sorry Dormady played so poorly that posting stats counts as "trashing" him.

I just correct the people making up stuff like you and Dormady's "precision passing and throwing wrs open" you claimed he had. And that he could do those better than Dobbs. lmao

How did the guy that completed a lower percentage of passes, with more turnovers, for a lower yards per attempt and completion "show more mastery" of anything? opcorn:

Stats, recruiting rankings, and physical talent all say that JG is the better qb by far. Not bashing anyone else. Just the facts.

 

[Nashvegas31]

After the staff letting Penix go, I don't see how Guarantano fits in either. He is far from a pro style QB. Hopefully its Mcbride or Dormady next year.

Did you watch this year? Pretty clear JG is no dual threat. He is a prostyle QB. He can only run straight line. Zero lateral athletic movement without being robotic

 

[Keyser Soze]

Did you watch this year? Pretty clear JG is no dual threat. He is a prostyle QB. He can only run straight line. Zero lateral athletic movement without being robotic

Maybe he thinks being a dual threat means he can hand it off and throw it???? 🤷🏽*♂️

 

[Vfl2407]

I think that all three of our current QBs on the roster have some talent.
Do any of them have enuf to be considered elite in our conference? No. Adequate, yes, for a 6-6 type team which I think is what most will expect for 2018.
The question is which will respond best to the new coaches and their systems. Should be an interesting spring.

 

[rekinhavoc]

I think that all three of our current QBs on the roster have some talent.
Do any of them have enuf to be considered elite in our conference? No. Adequate, yes, for a 6-6 type team which I think is what most will expect for 2018.
The question is which will respond best to the new coaches and their systems. Should be an interesting spring.

You we really don't know what we have with our QB's. The offense was awful in general.

QD was supposedly hurt . Had some nice moments when he got hot.

JG young and I felt he played tight like he didn't want to make a mistake.

WB young and God bless him he barely survived.

 

[jakez4ut]

I agree with this 100%.

I think our fans are significantly underestimating JG and even QD. The other thing few people are looking at is that our Wideouts just didn't get open a lot. Fans ignore this because you don't see the WRs on TV a lot unless they catch the ball, but when you have an O-line that collapses quickly and WRs that don't get open, you can be a great QB and still look pretty awful.

I've never gotten the sense that JG is "the problem." It's everything around him that's the problem. You can say the same to some extent about QD, as well, but there were some games where he just made inexplicable decisions. In spite of all the negativity, I think JG still has the potential to be a superstar if we can get an OC and some positions coaches that can fix the O-line and the WR performance.

i think it's hard to evaluate either one. i saw both guys make throws that made me say "wow", and "why?". i don't think i could tell you one way or the other which one i thought was better. in the end, they were about the same, results and performance wise.

many talked about it, but i do think the CBJ power spread was not all it's cracked up to be, and really required everyone to be perfect for it to work. and it required perfection against defenses that were just plain capable of "out physicalling" TN at the point of attack.

i say get physical up front, get some more traditional run game, and some more traditional QB sets (at least some under center), and you can mix in RPO's, motions, sweep actions etc... in there....but the base offense at some point has to be geared to winning on 1st down....high % passing game, and run the damn ball.

all of which would help the QB....a lot. QB becomes infinitely harder to play when it's 2nd and 8 all the damn time......

 

[jjay2518]

IMO all the QBs are starting completely from scratch. They were behind one of the worst OLs in the country and being coached by Utah State's RB coach. I don't think we have any idea what we've got there right now.

 

[TitanicVolz]

I like JG but dude has the awareness of a corpse...

 

[RVA Vol]

I like JG but dude has the awareness of a corpse...

Hard to make assumptions about too many players. All were clearly coached by someone with the ability of a corpse.

 

[Jackcrevol]

I like JG but dude has the awareness of a corpse...

cmon dude. hes a freshman that bascially played with DLinemen in his face. Plus, he was essentially playing with arms tied behind his back as he literally had 0 coaching.

 

[Vol0725]

JT Strout, statistically speaking is not very amazing.
Stats do not tell everything I know, and I know NFL scouts last summer said he's got great mechanics, tons of potential etc...but in his only gameday situation year this past year, he was so-so for a pocket-passer

• 51% completions
• 27 TDs/24 Ints.
• 255 Avg Pass Yds Game
• QBR = 72.0
• Team finished ranked 1,014th Nationally

Again, NFL scout camp is one thing, but gametime stats might say a bit of a different story? Maybe his OLine stunk, or they couldn't run the football, or his receivers dropped the ball or ran wrong routes. Maybe he was in the wrong coaching/play scheme. Again, maybe there's more to the story?...maybe Pruitt and staff see something different with what they plan to run?

 

[Nash_Vol97]

JT Strout, statistically speaking is not very amazing.
Stats do not tell everything I know, and I know NFL scouts last summer said he's got great mechanics, tons of potential etc...but in his only gameday situation year this past year, he was so-so for a pocket-passer

• 51% completions
• 27 TDs/24 Ints.
• 255 Avg Pass Yds Game
• QBR = 72.0
• Team finished ranked 1,014th Nationally

Again, NFL scout camp is one thing, but gametime stats might say a bit of a different story?

It was also his first year starting on a varsity team. Mistakes were going to happen, especially with how bad his OL was. He probably learned a lot of lessons and will carry them with him to college. Has the potential.

 

[Vol0725]

It was also his first year starting on a varsity team. Mistakes were going to happen, especially with how bad his OL was. He probably learned a lot of lessons and will carry them with him to college. Has the potential.

ok cool. yeah i added this edit to my post, prior to your response:

Maybe his OLine stunk, or they couldn't run the football, or his receivers dropped the ball or ran wrong routes. Maybe he was in the wrong coaching/play scheme. Again, maybe there's more to the story?...maybe Pruitt and staff see something different with what they plan to run?

 

[jakez4ut]

this kid is a bit of a project. you take him knowing that. he doesn't have a ton of experience. you're taking the mesurables and potential. and you're hoping you can RS him. knowing that's likely the plan, yeah, gimmie the guy that's 6'4, has a fairly live arm, and has NFL guys saying he can be great. if this kid does wind up here, i'd say great job by the staff for getting it done in a really short amount of time.

if he doesn't, then you just gotta deal with it and hope QD doesn't transfer, and start in on your QB board for 2019

 

[Vol0725]

this kid is a bit of a project. you take him knowing that. he doesn't have a ton of experience. you're taking the mesurables and potential. and you're hoping you can RS him. knowing that's likely the plan, yeah, gimmie the guy that's 6'4, has a fairly live arm, and has NFL guys saying he can be great. if this kid does wind up here, i'd say great job by the staff for getting it done in a really short amount of time.

if he doesn't, then you just gotta deal with it and hope QD doesn't transfer, and start in on your QB board for 2019

Can QD win the starting position, with the way Pruitt and crew might run the offense? If it's questionable, he'll likely transfer.

 

[jakez4ut]

Can QD win the starting position, with the way Pruitt and crew might run the offense? If it's questionable, he'll likely transfer.

i don't know. we probably won't find out for a little while. but that is certainly the question. i would seriously doubt he'll tell QD he has no place here. we just don't have the #'s. i'm sure his message to both kids, and McBride for that matter, is that the "best player will play".

 

[Vol0725]

i don't know. we probably won't find out for a little while. but that is certainly the question. i would seriously doubt he'll tell QD he has no place here. we just don't have the #'s. i'm sure his message to both kids, and McBride for that matter, is that the "best player will play".

yeah, sums it up

 

[VOLS1704]

Transferring makes no since at this point for QD, unless he wants to play at a lower level TOM BRADY did not play a Michigan. Starting or Back up, all he has to do is blow it away at the NFL PRO DAY and Combine.

 

[BruinVol]

Transferring makes no since at this point for QD, unless he wants to play at a lower level TOM BRADY did not play a Michigan. Starting or Back up, all he has to do is blow it away at the NFL PRO DAY and Combine.

Grad transfer makes a lot of sense

 

[butchna]

Transferring makes no since at this point for QD, unless he wants to play at a lower level TOM BRADY did not play a Michigan. Starting or Back up, all he has to do is blow it away at the NFL PRO DAY and Combine.

He qualifies as a graduate transfer. And Brady not only PLAYED at Michigan, he started quite a bit and won games...including a bowl.

 

[kmkemp11]

Can QD win the starting position, with the way Pruitt and crew might run the offense? If it's questionable, he'll likely transfer.

I'm not sure I understand. JG didn't light the world on fire and McBride looked like he didn't belong as this level. At what school will QD have a better opportunity than here? With a new coaching staff, he will have every opportunity to win the QB battle. Worst case scenario he's 2nd string with JG having a short leash, plus injury possibilities.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Few things to consider here. While its a good thing that some NFL scouts touted this kid, remember that Gruden himself said JG was special. But I do think that whatever QBs we get wikl have a much better chance to succeed now that we finally will have a real QB coach.

 

[Boston Vol]

TOM BRADY did not play a Michigan.

Wait what? He started in ‘98 and ‘99. Now he was never really the full time starter until midway through his senior season because of Lloyd Carr’s obsession with Drew Henson. However his senior year he was honorable mention all conference and Orange Bowl mvp.

 

[sjt18]

I'm sorry Dormady played so poorly that posting stats counts as "trashing" him.

I'm sorry that JG was so limited in what he understood and could do that the team only won 1 game with him starting and almost lost to UMass because Jones was determined to put him in just when QD got something going.

Stats are more relevant at some times than others. The most telling stat is that UT couldn't score more than 30 against anyone with JG at QB. They limited him. They tried to manage around his limitations.

Are you really trying to suggest that JG was ever at Dormady's level in understanding the playbook? Are you seriously that delusional?

JG has a great arm. He's accurate. But he took no chances. He took sacks instead. Even by Jones' "chart"... sacks destroy drives.

A "stat" you can look at is the ypc stat after JG took over. It shows that D's knew UT wasn't going to take any risks. They could load the box, play the screens, and get negative yardage plays.

You can also look at total O... since the QB is the leader of the O, makes the calls, makes the reads, etc. In each game except UGA started by QD, UT went over 300 yds. JG only produced over 300 yds once.... and only 210 against lowly So Miss.


He has great physical talent. You can see that. If he gets the other parts then he's going to be a great one. But he hasn't done that yet. He's behind the curve mentally and continues to demonstrate immaturity with his twitter stuff and body language.

I just correct the people making up stuff like you and Dormady's "precision passing and throwing wrs open" you claimed he had. And that he could do those better than Dobbs. lmao

Right. Any time you've actually cited a specific play... you've been proven wrong. It was funny watching you flip to criticizing the receivers after JG became the starter when previously you'd blamed their bad play on Dormady.

How did the guy that completed a lower percentage of passes, with more turnovers, for a lower yards per attempt and completion "show more mastery" of anything? opcorn:

By the plays he was allowed to run... by the more complex and difficult plays he as asked to execute. By the fact that the run game was better with him making the reads in spite of JG being the faster guy. By the fact that if you actually watched and understood what you were seeing... JG ran a "dumbed down" version of the O.

Stats, recruiting rankings, and physical talent all say that JG is the better qb by far. Not bashing anyone else. Just the facts.

Stats actually don't. Your QB is what he produces. He didn't produce wins. He didn't produce points. He didn't convert 3rd downs. He didn't produce total O. He didn't pass consistently enough to sustain drives. He didn't challenge D's down field with any consistency.

And... a lot of those "stats" came against USCe and UK who had gone prevent. About 15% of his yardage for the season occurred on just those two drives... that resulted in zero points.


AGAIN... he has GREAT physical tools. But Jones didn't trust him... and he loved him and by some accounts made promises to him.