'18 CA QB JT Shrout (UT signee)

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k-town_king said:
I'm sorry Dormady played so poorly that posting stats counts as "trashing" him.
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I'm sorry that JG was so limited in what he understood and could do that the team only won 1 game with him starting and almost lost to UMass because Jones was determined to put him in just when QD got something going.

Stats are more relevant at some times than others. The most telling stat is that UT couldn't score more than 30 against anyone with JG at QB. They limited him. They tried to manage around his limitations.

Are you really trying to suggest that JG was ever at Dormady's level in understanding the playbook? Are you seriously that delusional?

JG has a great arm. He's accurate. But he took no chances. He took sacks instead. Even by Jones' "chart"... sacks destroy drives.

A "stat" you can look at is the ypc stat after JG took over. It shows that D's knew UT wasn't going to take any risks. They could load the box, play the screens, and get negative yardage plays.

You can also look at total O... since the QB is the leader of the O, makes the calls, makes the reads, etc. In each game except UGA started by QD, UT went over 300 yds. JG only produced over 300 yds once.... and only 210 against lowly So Miss.


He has great physical talent. You can see that. If he gets the other parts then he's going to be a great one. But he hasn't done that yet. He's behind the curve mentally and continues to demonstrate immaturity with his twitter stuff and body language.

I just correct the people making up stuff like you and Dormady's "precision passing and throwing wrs open" you claimed he had. And that he could do those better than Dobbs. lmao
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Right. Any time you've actually cited a specific play... you've been proven wrong. It was funny watching you flip to criticizing the receivers after JG became the starter when previously you'd blamed their bad play on Dormady.

How did the guy that completed a lower percentage of passes, with more turnovers, for a lower yards per attempt and completion "show more mastery" of anything? :popcorn:
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By the plays he was allowed to run... by the more complex and difficult plays he as asked to execute. By the fact that the run game was better with him making the reads in spite of JG being the faster guy. By the fact that if you actually watched and understood what you were seeing... JG ran a "dumbed down" version of the O.

Stats, recruiting rankings, and physical talent all say that JG is the better qb by far. Not bashing anyone else. Just the facts.
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Stats actually don't. Your QB is what he produces. He didn't produce wins. He didn't produce points. He didn't convert 3rd downs. He didn't produce total O. He didn't pass consistently enough to sustain drives. He didn't challenge D's down field with any consistency.

And... a lot of those "stats" came against USCe and UK who had gone prevent. About 15% of his yardage for the season occurred on just those two drives... that resulted in zero points.


AGAIN... he has GREAT physical tools. But Jones didn't trust him... and he loved him and by some accounts made promises to him. If he doesn't catch up in both leadership and the mental phase... Pruitt is going to find and promote "his guy" over JG.
 
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Every threadseems to get detailed by someone arguing who was better QB on a garbage team. Who cares. The seasons over. New coach, new offense, new opportunities. Let it go.
 
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VOLS1704 said:
Transferring makes no since at this point for QD, unless he wants to play at a lower level TOM BRADY did not play a Michigan. Starting or Back up, all he has to do is blow it away at the NFL PRO DAY and Combine.
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QD will likely graduate in May and can transfer any place in the country and be immediately available as a Graduate transfer.If he does not see a chance to start at UT next year ,he is gone.
 
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sjt18 said:
I'm sorry that JG was so limited in what he understood and could do that the team only won 1 game with him starting and almost lost to UMass because Jones was determined to put him in just when QD got something going.

Stats are more relevant at some times than others. The most telling stat is that UT couldn't score more than 30 against anyone with JG at QB. They limited him. They tried to manage around his limitations.

Are you really trying to suggest that JG was ever at Dormady's level in understanding the playbook? Are you seriously that delusional?

JG has a great arm. He's accurate. But he took no chances. He took sacks instead. Even by Jones' "chart"... sacks destroy drives.

A "stat" you can look at is the ypc stat after JG took over. It shows that D's knew UT wasn't going to take any risks. They could load the box, play the screens, and get negative yardage plays.

You can also look at total O... since the QB is the leader of the O, makes the calls, makes the reads, etc. In each game except UGA started by QD, UT went over 300 yds. JG only produced over 300 yds once.... and only 210 against lowly So Miss.


He has great physical talent. You can see that. If he gets the other parts then he's going to be a great one. But he hasn't done that yet. He's behind the curve mentally and continues to demonstrate immaturity with his twitter stuff and body language.

Right. Any time you've actually cited a specific play... you've been proven wrong. It was funny watching you flip to criticizing the receivers after JG became the starter when previously you'd blamed their bad play on Dormady.

By the plays he was allowed to run... by the more complex and difficult plays he as asked to execute. By the fact that the run game was better with him making the reads in spite of JG being the faster guy. By the fact that if you actually watched and understood what you were seeing... JG ran a "dumbed down" version of the O.


Stats actually don't. Your QB is what he produces. He didn't produce wins. He didn't produce points. He didn't convert 3rd downs. He didn't produce total O. He didn't pass consistently enough to sustain drives. He didn't challenge D's down field with any consistency.

And... a lot of those "stats" came against USCe and UK who had gone prevent. About 15% of his yardage for the season occurred on just those two drives... that resulted in zero points.


AGAIN... he has GREAT physical tools. But Jones didn't trust him... and he loved him and by some accounts made promises to him.
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So basically ignore the better passing by JG and horrible throws because QD played with a healthier line? :thud::crazy:

That is the only reason the rbs averaged a little bit better ypc.

The only decent team he faced we got less than 300.

JG ran the same offense and plays, just more efficiently. He passed downfield even more than QD. Over 9 ypa his last four games.

QD played mediocre vs bad teams when JG should have been in developing. We see by the end of the year that he was going down the field more than QD and being more successful at it.

You are really, really reaching now to try and find some sliver of hope that you aren't completely wrong like the Dobbs/Worley debate.


Sorry for cluttering up the Shrout thread everyone. Seems like a good project qb.
 
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VOLS1704 said:
Transferring makes no since at this point for QD, unless he wants to play at a lower level TOM BRADY did not play a Michigan. Starting or Back up, all he has to do is blow it away at the NFL PRO DAY and Combine.
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Seems like he should be on pace to be a grad transfer. He EE'd, has done a lot of summer mini terms, and is majoring in recreation/sports management.
 
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k-town_king said:
So basically ignore the better passing by JG and horrible throws because QD played with a healthier line? :thud::crazy:

That is the only reason the rbs averaged a little bit better ypc.

The only decent team he faced we got less than 300.

JG ran the same offense and plays, just more efficiently. He passed downfield even more than QD. Over 9 ypa his last four games.

QD played mediocre vs bad teams when JG should have been in developing. We see by the end of the year that he was going down the field more than QD and being more successful at it.

You are really, really reaching now to try and find some sliver of hope that you aren't completely wrong like the Dobbs/Worley debate.


Sorry for cluttering up the Shrout thread everyone. Seems like a good project qb.
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IMO the most damning thing for QD is that the things he struggled with (mainly, mental toughness and ability to stand strong in the pocket despite pressure without fundamentals breaking down) seem less correctable than the areas JG struggled (pre snap adjustments, getting rid of ball more quickly, playbook mastery).


With a brand new playbook being put in, the two of them will start over on even ground. Should be interesting to see how it plays out. I still think QD has all the tools to be a solid QB. Just not sure he's got the guts.
 
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Considering how pathetic our OC was I'm throwing most everything out the window particularly stat for QBs. Neither QB wasn't put in position to succeed or find a rhythm.

SImply for me:

QD - good arm, when in a rhythm he can make things happen with arm, when he isn't he is like a chicken with his head cutoff. Not a leader. People don't rally around him.

JG - showed his tools when allowed to get in a rhythm or want being killed or forced to do nothing. Holds ball way too long. Robotic in movements thinking to much about his foot work and mechanics instead of just playing football. Has leadership qualities. If someone can teach him to relax and just be a football player he will hit his stride.

Will McBRIDE - Something about him I really like. Just a gamer. Question how he fits in new system though.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Sjt is the most long winded poster in the history of VN
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SJT is one of the posters I respect the most. I haven't posted much in the last few years but I read a lot and that guy nails pretty much every assessment and he is absolutely right in this case.

QD had his shortcomings that may or may not have been related to his shoulder injury but if he had been healthy enough to play I believe that we would have beaten SC, KY and Candy. Probably would have beaten LSU as well.

Ask yourself this. Would the UF game have been as close as it was with JG playing the whole game? The answer is hell no.

JG improved a little bit in the last 2 games but Dormady overall played much better. If he comes back and gets protection from his OL and doesn't play scared due to injury then I think we win 7-8 games next year. I don't think JG gets us past 5 wins.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
SJT is one of the posters I respect the most. I haven't posted much in the last few years but I read a lot and that guy nails pretty much every assessment and he is absolutely right in this case.

QD had his shortcomings that may or may not have been related to his shoulder injury but if he had been healthy enough to play I believe that we would have beaten SC, KY and Candy. Probably would have beaten LSU as well.

Ask yourself this. Would the UF game have been as close as it was with JG playing the whole game? The answer is hell no.

JG improved a little bit in the last 2 games but Dormady overall played much better. If he comes back and gets protection from his OL and doesn't play scared due to injury then I think we win 7-8 games next year. I don't think JG gets us past 5 wins.
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Idk that the UF game would have been that different with JG vs QD, tbh. John Kelly was the only reason we were in that game. QD had one nice TD pass, but he also threw 3 INTs. And that was when the OL still had all their starters.




I think the QB competition hurt both of the QBs last year in different ways. QD knew he had the job because he was the safe choice, so he played super tight and conservative (though he still had too many TOs). JG knew he had to make splash plays to take the job as a starter, so he often held on to the ball forever looking to hit a home run.


It will be interesting to see how it plays out this spring. I have a feeling both QD and JG won't be around next fall.
 
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rockytop25 said:
No way we beat SC, KY, and Vandy with QD under center, might've actually been worse with him at QB
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The reason our run game was better early in the year was because of defenses worrying more about our passing game. Once JG was the starter they loaded up on the run and shut it down. QD made mistakes but he also made some things happen and that threat alone would have helped us be in better position to win all those games.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
The reason our run game was better early in the year was because of defenses worrying more about our passing game. Once JG was the starter they loaded up on the run and shut it down. QD made mistakes but he also made some things happen and that threat alone would have helped us be in better position to win all those games.
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I think a big part also is that defenses we faced early on didn't have much film of our run game and screen game. We ran some pretty inventive screens early in the year that hit for some big gains (arguably the only thing Scott did well as OC) and softened up the defenses a bit.


By the end of the season our screens were getting blown up because defenses knew what was coming.


Say what you will about Debord and Bajakian, but one thing they did really well was run plays early in the year to set up wrinkles later in the season and catch defenses off guard. Didn't really see any of that from Scott.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
The reason our run game was better early in the year was because of defenses worrying more about our passing game. Once JG was the starter they loaded up on the run and shut it down. QD made mistakes but he also made some things happen and that threat alone would have helped us be in better position to win all those games.
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I think you must be in bizarro world. Dormady was terrible and did NOT give us the best chance to win
 
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DangoVol said:
Pee Wee or Midgets don’t count. I know coaches even up to the high school level that 30% of the knowledgeable fan base know more than them about Xs and Os. So regardless, no one cares if you coach. No one cares about your scouting reports. You’re on a message board. That’s all that needs to be said.
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I care. I like his perspective... you have major insecurities wasting your time trying to dog someone on a message board. Get a life dude.
 
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