California prop 8:

#51
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666 said:
Just because you can keep friendly company with homosexuals doesn't mean that you're reasonings against same-sex marriage aren't bigoted.
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: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices ; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

Number one they are not a race or ethnic group.
Two, I have displayed no hate or intolerance toward them.
 
#52
#52
lawgator1 said:
Well, now, see, that's a reason! You oppose homosexuality on religious principle and that is your right. We can debate that.

The complaint earlier was that you basically said you opposed homsexuality "because." And that is not ever going to go over well on VN, at least in my experience.
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Well I didn't feel the need to explain my religious views with Mr. 666.

Most posters, like you, in the political forum who's opinions I read and value I have no problem going into greater detail with.
 
#53
#53
JZVOL said:
I was under the impression, when I am asked to vote I had the right to vote based on my beliefs and not be ridiculed for it... like you are doing.
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Wow, you've never ridiculed anyone for voting liberal? The first amendment is for everyone.
 
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JZVOL said:
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices ; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

Number one they are not a race or ethnic group.
Two, I have displayed no hate or intolerance toward them.
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There is more than one definition (define:bigot - Google Search) for bigot, and yes you are being intolerant of their lifestyle.
 
#56
#56
JZVOL said:
Well I didn't feel the need to explain my religious views with Mr. 666.

Most posters, like you, in the political forum who's opinions I read and value I have no problem going into greater detail with.
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Uh oh. Complimenting me to get at 666!? LOL. Well, at least you have somewhat good taste.

As for me, eh, I find the religious/homsexuality debate to be a pointless conundrum. I understand the basics of your argument there and I also understand those that would say that most religions in fact would be tolerant of it. We aren't going to resolve that here, that's for sure.
 
#57
#57
lawgator1 said:
Uh oh. Complimenting me to get at 666!? LOL. Well, at least you have somewhat good taste.

As for me, eh, I find the religious/homsexuality debate to be a pointless conundrum. I understand the basics of your argument there and I also understand those that would say that most religions in fact would be tolerant of it. We aren't going to resolve that here, that's for sure.
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Agreed and that's why there was no point to get too far into it.

But work is slow so...
 
#58
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666 said:
There is more than one definition (define:bigot - Google Search) for bigot, and yes you are being intolerant of their lifestyle.
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How am I being intolerant when I've said they deserve rights?

I've explained my position, I've never been to a anti-gay rally or something like that.

Having a differing viewpoint does not make one intolerant or a bigot bottom line.
 
#59
#59
JZVOL said:
How am I being intolerant when I've said they deserve rights?

I've explained my position, I've never been to a anti-gay rally or something like that.

Having a differing viewpoint does not make one intolerant or a bigot bottom line.
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Damn you for being a christian!

:p
 
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666 said:
You can talk religion with me, despite my username. I'm not the devil.
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I don't want to talk religion with you.

Answer my question. How does having a differing viewpoint make one a bigot?

Again I've never had one bad experience with a gay person and never had and issue with them as human beings.

I simply will use my voice when asked to vote.
 
#62
#62
You said you're for civil unions. They currently do not offer the same rights as marriages in the United States. So why not same-sex marriage? You're reasoning's against same-sex marriage are irrational and intolerant. While it may be too strong, and I apologize for that, to lump you in with the card carrying gay haters of America, but the reasoning's against gay marriage are bigoted.
 
#63
#63
666 said:
You said you're for civil unions. They currently do not offer the same rights as marriages in the United States. So why not same-sex marriage? You're reasoning's against same-sex marriage are irrational and intolerant. While it may be too strong, and I apologize for that, to lump you in with the card carrying gay haters of America, but the reasoning's against gay marriage are bigoted.
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You lost me, I thought the old adage was that marriage was a religious institution?

Why would gays want that?

I would figure a Civil Union would be the way to go?
 
#64
#64
I have a family member who is gay and has been in a long standing relationship for years. We talk about these issues often. I accept his lifestyle as being his choice and treat him no differently because of it. He asked me once during a discussion why I am against gay marriage. I told him that I believe he and his partner should have rights equal to marriage under the law, but that I believe a marriage is a union ordained by the church. Since it is a religious matter I don't think you can force religious people to accept the lifestyle because it goes against their beliefs.

Does that make me a bigot by not condoning his lifestyle, but accepting it as his choice and treating him with the respect every man or woman deserves?
 
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#65
OrangeEmpire said:
You lost me, I thought the old adage was that marriage was a religious institution?

Why would gays want that?

I would figure a Civil Union would be the way to go?
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I guess we better ban atheists from marriage while we're at it.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
You lost me, I thought the old adage was that marriage was a religious institution?

Why would gays want that?

I would figure a Civil Union would be the way to go?
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That's what I think. If you guys knew why one of the reasons our religion came into existance you would see the irony in all of this.
 
#67
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666 said:
I guess we better ban atheists from marriage while we're at it.
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I didn't realize atheist cared to be married in churches. I would have thought they would be more apt to go the justice of the peace route.
 
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#69
OrangeEmpire said:
You lost me, I thought the old adage was that marriage was a religious institution?

Why would gays want that?

I would figure a Civil Union would be the way to go?
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You probably wouldn't think of head hunters in the interior of Papua New Guinea as very religious, but they certainly have marriage as well. There are villages in northern India where it is common and encouraged for two brothers to share a wife. It's still marriage. Marriage isn't only a judeo-christian concept.
 
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IPorange said:
You probably wouldn't think of head hunters in the interior of Papua New Guinea as very religious, but they certainly have marriage as well. There are villages in northern India where it is common and encouraged for two brothers to share a wife. It's still marriage. Marriage isn't only a judeo-christian concept.
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Why wouldn't I think that?

Who said it was?

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OrangeEmpire said:
Why wouldn't I think that?

Who said it was?

:blink:
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You effectively asked, "Why would gays want to be married since it is a religious institution?" I am merely expressing that religions vary, and the concept of marriage is widespread but far from universal in its practice. There are plenty of gays that are religious, or want to partake in the ceremony and concept of marriage because of that or for other reasons.
 
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