California prop 8:

[OrangeEmpire]

States don't have to recognize civil unions due to the Defense of Marriage Act.

Ok, wipe that act out of the way and Civil Unions are recognized by states and corporations, is there still a problem?

 

[MG1968]

States don't have to recognize civil unions due to the Defense of Marriage Act.

so? then they should reside in states that recognize civil unions.

a very tiny minority group in the population should not be allowed to dictate their terms to the rest of the country.

 

[Brog]

I didn't realize atheist cared to be married in churches. I would have thought they would be more apt to go the justice of the peace route.

You can be married wherever you want to. The point is that you don't have to be religious to have a marriage.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

You effectively asked, "Why would gays want to be married since it is a religious institution?" I am merely expressing that religions vary, and the concept of marriage is widespread but far from universal in its practice. There are plenty of gays that are religious, or want to partake in the ceremony and concept of marriage for other reasons.

Correct,..... so what is the issue?

:blink:

 

[MontereyVol]

Why not just form your own religion that allows homosexual marriage? Get a large enough following and it will be recognized by the US government.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Why not just form your own religion that allows homosexual marriage? Get a large enough following and it will be recognized by the US government.

The ACLU would jump all over that!

 

[IPorange]

Correct,..... so what is the issue?

:blink:

No issue. You asked why.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Right, so what is the problem with a civil union?

Why does it have to be marriage?

 

[MontereyVol]

The ACLU would jump all over that!

Then the new religion could place their anger onto the ACLU.

 

[gsvol]

You said you're for civil unions. They currently do not offer the same rights as marriages in the United States. So why not same-sex marriage? You're reasoning's against same-sex marriage are irrational and intolerant. While it may be too strong, and I apologize for that, to lump you in with the card carrying gay haters of America, but the reasoning's against gay marriage are bigoted.

I wonder, do you think there are any straight haters in America??

Perhaps it is you who are being irrational.

Justice Peter Zarella, (conn supreme court:

“The ancient definition of marriage as the union of one man and one woman has its basis in biology, not bigotry.”

 

[gsvol]

Vader I'm beginning to wonder about this board, one can bring up all sorts of topics and get little or no discussion but bring up a topic that involves homosexuality and the wood work comes alive!!!:hmm:

I didn't even know there were gay pubs!!:w00t:

Really, who wants that?

You think we should just ban marriage??

While I personally find homosexuality preverse and pretty much disgusting as a concept, I'm just not getting why anyone cares what two other consenting adults do in private and I for sure don't understand why anyone else cares what they call themselves, be it civil union, married, etc.

Who cares?

Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything, so to answer your question, probably those who stand for something.

I have black friends!

Are they swingers?

There is more than one definition (define:bigot - Google Search) for bigot, and yes you are being intolerant of their lifestyle.

One definition of 'bigot' is "one who promotes a particular group at the expense of others.

You can talk religion with me, despite my username. I'm not the devil.

Well, after all statanism is a religion too.

 

[JZVOL]

You said you're for civil unions. They currently do not offer the same rights as marriages in the United States. So why not same-sex marriage? You're reasoning's against same-sex marriage are irrational and intolerant. While it may be too strong, and I apologize for that, to lump you in with the card carrying gay haters of America, but the reasoning's against gay marriage are bigoted.

Yes, Jesus was a bigot.

 

[Brog]

I wonder, do you think there are any straight haters in America??

Perhaps it is you who are being irrational.

Justice Peter Zarella, (conn supreme court:

“The ancient definition of marriage as the union of one man and one woman has its basis in biology, not bigotry.”

Yes, there actually are. The refer to heterosexuals as "breeders." I obviously don't agree with Justice Zarella.

 

[Brog]

Well, after all statanism is a religion too.

True, but I'm not a dreaded "satanist."

 

[gsvol]

You mean "could not care less." Sorry, pet peeve of mine.

He could have meant he could care less.

That would mean he had some care for the issue.

If he said he couldn't care less then that would mean he didn't care at all, so there is a difference.

This thread is stupid!

Could you direct me to a smart thread??

If a dude wants to stick his pecker in another dude's rear end let them have at it!

Running for mayor of Sodom??

The ACLU would jump all over that!

That's naive, I doubt the American Communist Lawyers Union would object one bit to any move that helped destroy America as we know it.

 

[Brog]

Yes, Jesus was a bigot.

You're probably more up to date than me, but I don't recall Jesus talking about same-sex marriage.

 

[KB5252]

True, but I'm not a dreaded "satanist."

Why the choice in avatar? Just curious.


Would you deny that marriage as we know it is rooted in religion? Why not just allow civil unions with equal rights decided on by each state?

 

[KB5252]

You're probably more up to date than me, but I don't recall Jesus talking about same-sex marriage.

He taught that we should love all men. He never implied that we should condone sin.

 

[Brog]

Why the choice in avatar? Just curious.


Would you deny that marriage as we know it is rooted in religion? Why not just allow civil unions with equal rights decided on by each state?

I thought an avatar was the picture I use. Are you asking about it or my name choice?

It's your own choice to whether marriage is a religious matter for you. They two don't have to go hand in hand. Why don't we eliminate marriages and just give everyone civil unions then? Is it really because you all don't want to have the same name as those icky gays?

 

[Brog]

He taught that we should love all men. He never implied that we should condone sin.

Exactly, yet sinful Christians around the world are married everyday. He taught that all sins are equal except denying God. So should we stop overweight people, someone who lusts after someone else, or someone who doesn't respect their father from being married?

 

[IPorange]

Exactly, yet sinful Christians around the world are married everyday. He taught that all sins are equal except denying God. So should be stop overweight people, someone who lusts after someone else, or someone who doesn't respect their father from being married?

I see your line of reasoning, but I just want to point out that someone's beliefs shouldn't infringe on others'. Even though one could argue through Christianity that gays should not be treated differently than others, that argument isn't even necessary in a nation that isn't supposed to have an official Church. Without the protection of liberty, mob rule would dictate all government policy and action.

 

[gsvol]

That's what I think. If you guys knew why one of the reasons our religion came into existance you would see the irony in all of this.

OK, I'll bite, what is one of the reason 'our' religion came into existence???

(but recognize your religion and my religion may not be the same and I am not a "religionist.")

You probably wouldn't think of head hunters in the interior of Papua New Guinea as very religious, but they certainly have marriage as well. There are villages in northern India where it is common and encouraged for two brothers to share a wife. It's still marriage. Marriage isn't only a judeo-christian concept.

I wish I had at had a book from which I could quote a Taoist passage. It starts like this: "Mariage, being a recent invention of mankind"...........and goes on to explain what marriage is and what marriage is not.

A very enlightening bit of writing that most anyone would benefit from reading imo.

so? then they should reside in states that recognize civil unions.

a very tiny minority group in the population should not be allowed to dictate their terms to the rest of the country.

EXCELLENT POINT!!!!

Please take the time to read "THE HOMOSEXUAL ROOTS
OF THE NAZI PARTY"


"Why was it then, since we were completely non-party, that our purely scientific Institute was the first victim which fell to the new regime? The answer to this is simple...We knew too much."

And the exact same thing is happening now with the sensational global warming scare tactics when all sorts or well versed scientists who do not agree are ignored or even worse demonized as "deniers" when they have all sorts of well researched material that refutes the insane agenda of the likes of al-Gore and company.

True, but I'm not a dreaded "satanist."

Secular Humanism is defined as a religion as well.

You can speak for yourself though, what are you??

Personally, I don't dread satanists, although I do pity them.

 

[SavageOrangeJug]

Curse people for wanting equal rights!

The large turnout of Black voters is being credited as a major factor for the gay marriage ban. Exit polls showed Black voters overwhelmingly against gay marriage.

 

[Brog]

I agree, IP. I would be best defined as an atheist, gs.

 

[Brog]

The large turnout of Black voters is being credited as a major factor for the gay marriage ban. Exit polls showed Black voters overwhelmingly against gay marriage.

So it's okay because African-Americans don't like same-sex marriage?