Callaway/Harris Sexual Assault Case

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utvols88 said:
Florida is going to get **** on if he plays without a fair hearing for the accuser. Personally, I'm fine with that. Yall do you. :popcorn:
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That's the decision the coach will have to make. Do i play a man that has been accused of rape when the ultimate verdict hasn't been rendered? Mac will be fired if he does this and this proves to be more than consenting. Decisions, decisions.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
Depends who she approached. What it she told a member of the football staff and then the university went into hush mode and told victim and family the matter would be handled properly? What if the program went to great lengths to keep this out of the press so they could pander to the victim to not go to police and keep the reason for suspension quiet and without media involvement? What if all of this was done to continue to dig dirt on the student they are supposed to protect while the whole time building the case to reinstate the player?

Doesn't seem to unreasonable, does it?

Of course you are correct in that we don't know crap but the more public this is usually favors the accuser and doesn't help your player at all.

I always thought the bigger question the whole time the suspension was going on was that no one knew anything. It was too quiet without a leak. That is why the theory above might be very damning.
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Except for the fact that police were involved in December 2015. This was investigated by law enforcement. They were not arrested.

One of the frustrating things about all of these legal matters is that when you can't/don't say anything, people are left to their own whim on what they believe happened.

From what I can make out, the accuser has the school by the groin because they can cause an uproar in the press. However, in an actual proceeding, they don't have squat which is why these guys were never criminally charged in the first place.

Like I said, I don't know much either. What I do know is if this happened to my daughter, I'm not seeking justice in a university student conduct proceeding.

But, it's now being taken and run with as if it was never taken seriously, it was covered up, there wasn't any due process, the victim was ignored, etc, etc, etc....when this situation has been going on for 9 months. Over 9 months to resolve a matter and this isn't even the criminal justice system. We have attorneys involved here as if there is a trial with judges and juries that will render a verdict. None of that is happening.

I'm all for locking them up and throwing away the key if they are guilty of a crime here. But, in the world I grew up in, they need to be arrested, booked, indicted, tried, given a chance to defend themselves, convicted, and sentenced.

What isn't right is to be accused of a crime and have that attached to you while you are actually, in reality, no longer being investigated by law enforcement and haven't been for over 9 months. Its closed.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
Callaway was accused of direct sexual assault. Harris was accused of attempting. You're incorrect.
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When this first broke on UF sites 6+months ago the initial rumor stated a complaint was against Harris and others players may have been involved. Huntley supported this be stating the accuser has changed her story since the filing.UF have knew Harris wasn't rerurning. Just had to let it play out. It's a reason he wasn't allowed back on campus but Callaway was cleared to return. Another point is Huntley only representing Callaway. According to one sources the accuser and AC had been an item at one point. UF sites insiders have been pretty accurate with info while the media has been in the dark just like rivals fans since Jan.
 
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Black Diamond Vol said:
You can be sure that Clune will return soon enough to formally file a Title IX suit, probably with more plaintiffs in tow. And when he does, I'm guessing UF fans will soon come to the same realization we did: the facts of the case do not matter.

When UT's case was being tried in the media, we all shouted from the mountaintop how the accusers' case was sketchy. How Butch immediately suspended and/or booted every player involved as soon as they were accused. Guess what? Nobody outside of Knoxville cared. And when we settled, the rest of the nation saw it as an admission of guilt (even though the language of the settlement specifically said it was NOT).

The fact that UF appointed a football booster to preside over the hearing is, at the very least, bad optics. As is the fact that their attorney Huntley Johnson has his OWN history of sexual abuse/harassment. Those things may not matter in a courtroom. Unfortunately for UF, these cases are rarely tried in any court other than the court of public opinion. Oh, you can fight it and take it that far if you want. But that will take years and cost a huge toll financially, PR-wise, and in recruiting. By the time a verdict is reached, even if you "win", your athletic program will be set back several decades. Or you can take your medicine, settle, and hope this is forgotten in a few years, just like we did.

Doesn't matter, though, really. In the eyes of the rest of the country, UF will now be lumped in with UT, FSU, and Baylor. Come on in guys, the water's fine. And we'll probably have a lot more company soon enough.
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Quoted for the truth.

Read this Florida fans.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
That's the decision the coach will have to make. Do i play a man that has been accused of rape when the ultimate verdict hasn't been rendered? Mac will be fired if he does this and this proves to be more than consenting. Decisions, decisions.
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What? When UF reinstate Callaway this doesn't fall on Mac.
 
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99gator said:
Except for the fact that police were involved in December 2015. This was investigated by law enforcement. They were not arrested.

One of the frustrating things about all of these legal matters is that when you can't/don't say anything, people are left to their own whim on what they believe happened.

From what I can make out, the accuser has the school by the groin because they can cause an uproar in the press. However, in an actual proceeding, they don't have squat which is why these guys were never criminally charged in the first place.

Like I said, I don't know much either. What I do know is if this happened to my daughter, I'm not seeking justice in a university student conduct proceeding.

But, it's now being taken and run with as if it was never taken seriously, it was covered up, there wasn't any due process, the victim was ignored, etc, etc, etc....when this situation has been going on for 9 months. Over 9 months to resolve a matter and this isn't even the criminal justice system. We have attorneys involved here as if there is a trial with judges and juries that will render a verdict. None of that is happening.

I'm all for locking them up and throwing away the key if they are guilty of a crime here. But, in the world I grew up in, they need to be arrested, booked, indicted, tried, given a chance to defend themselves, convicted, and sentenced.

What isn't right is to be accused of a crime and have that attached to you while you are actually, in reality, no longer being investigated by law enforcement and haven't been for over 9 months. Its closed.
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Didn't police say yesterday that they didn't have a report on incident? This would mean they weren't involved or investigating.
 
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HialeahGator said:
This has always been about Harris and not Callaway. Reason he was still taking oline classes and cleared to return to campus before hearing.
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Since he is second string, Harris is guilty.

Callaway is a starter therefore he is innocent.

At least, that was always the Gainesville logic in dealing with proud UF grad Aaron Hernandez.
 
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HialeahGator said:
Mac won't play Callaway until UF reinstated him fully.
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I agree HG but you have to admit this whole situation turned ugly yesterday. Florida has handled this poorly and given ammunition for lawsuit. Now Foley walks and leaves a mess. The PR person provided additional sound bite.

Speculation will run rampant.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
Since he is second string, Harris is guilty.

Callaway is a starter therefore he is innocent.

At least, that was always the Gainesville logic in dealing with proud UF grad Aaron Hernandez.
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I thought that was the Leonard Little theory when it comes to crime.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
I agree HG but you have to admit this whole situation turned ugly yesterday. Florida has handled this poorly and given ammunition for lawsuit. Now Foley walks and leaves a mess. The PR person provided additional sound bite.

Speculation will run rampant.
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Speculation will run rampant from those who want something to be there.

As another poster said, when this stuff comes down you are in a no win scenario. It doesn't matter what the facts are. No one is even interested in the facts.

It's a political issue for some. It's a "sports team" issue for some. If you hate Florida, something happened. If you want to advance an agenda, something happened.

I don't know what happened. What I know is that everyone blogging about it, writing about it, discussing it on television and talk radio has no clue what happened.

All I know is that the place you go for what supposedly happened is the criminal justice system. And they aren't involved which doesn't compute.

You've got a couple of dudes being accused without being accused
 
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HialeahGator said:
What did AH do on campus?
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Freak will need to buy another Cloud to hold the answers to that question..........lol!

Exhibit A:

"While at Florida, Hernandez had run-ins with the police in Gainesville, who questioned him and three teammates after a 2007 shooting and recommended a felony battery charge against him after a fight at a restaurant."
 
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HialeahGator said:
What did AH do on campus?
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I'm pretty sure he was involved in a shooting his freshman year or something like that. Looking back I'm sure a lot more before it was all done. Guy was a grade A psychopath on top of being a generic pos thug.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
I agree HG but you have to admit this whole situation turned ugly yesterday. Florida has handled this poorly and given ammunition for lawsuit. Now Foley walks and leaves a mess. The PR person provided additional sound bite.

Speculation will run rampant.
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Definitely. Foley said F this I'm out. Lol


RT. Bias or not the booster was a really bad look that will cost UF. Even I csn admit that.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
Freak will need to buy another Cloud to hold the answers to that question..........lol!

Exhibit A:

"While at Florida, Hernandez had run-ins with the police in Gainesville, who questioned him and three teammates after a 2007 shooting and recommended a felony battery charge against him after a fight at a restaurant."
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Remember that one. Was off campus tho. Which is why I asked.
 
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99gator said:
Speculation will run rampant from those who want something to be there.

As another poster said, when this stuff comes down you are in a no win scenario. It doesn't matter what the facts are. No one is even interested in the facts.

It's a political issue for some. It's a "sports team" issue for some. If you hate Florida, something happened. If you want to advance an agenda, something happened.

I don't know what happened. What I know is that everyone blogging about it, writing about it, discussing it on television and talk radio has no clue what happened.

All I know is that the place you go for what supposedly happened is the criminal justice system. And they aren't involved which doesn't compute.

You've got a couple of dudes being accused without being accused
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That is the thing that was most frustrating about Tennessee's case. It did go through the legal system and the players were cleared, but we still got hammered in the media and you see hashtags like #rapeu on any story on twitter about Tennessee. AJ Johnson and Williams are still going through the legal process and they never played again.

UF just needs to apologize for the selection of the booster, whether it was wrong or not, appoint someone else and finish the hearing.
 
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