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gsvol said:
Don't mean to pick on you or to steer the discussion away from what you are saying but here is a question that has been bothering me.

We have a supposedly Christian president who has said we are not a Christian nation but a multicultural nation and has said we have no business in Iraq, a muslim nation.

Two questions.

1. Is not Afghanistan a muslim nation? After all they incorporate the barbaric pagan islamic sharia law into their own constitution.

2. If Iraq is a muslim nation, what then of the few surviving Christians who live within it's borders???

Anyone????? Particularly those who support Barry and subscribe to Andrea Mitchel's admonition that 'Barry is a devout Christian.'

(PUHleeeeeeeeeeeeeese none of you repeat the crap about the corrupt catholic/politics transgressions of several hundred years ago, at any rate that was mostly in retaliation for 700 years of living under the sword of islam, I freely admit, two wrongs don't make a right.)
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Your first problem is that you believe a politician when he told you that he is a christian.
 
#104
#104
volfanjustin said:
Christianity does not promote or excuse violence
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I'm sure I can find plenty of Muslims that say Islam is a religion of peace. But that doesn't make either of you right.

Point is, it is not about Islam or Christianity, it is about the nimrods who use the belief system (whatever it is) to justify any horrible act they want.
 
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rjd970 said:
I'm sure I can find plenty of Muslims that say Islam is a religion of peace. But that doesn't make either of you right.

Point is, it is not about Islam or Christianity, it is about the nimrods who use the belief system (whatever it is) to justify any horrible act they want.
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We have a winner.......

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#108
rjd970 said:
I'm sure I can find plenty of Muslims that say Islam is a religion of peace. But that doesn't make either of you right.

Point is, it is not about Islam or Christianity, it is about the nimrods who use the belief system (whatever it is) to justify any horrible act they want.
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It is about Islam, any true Christian leader is not telling his followers to go kill in the name of Christianity
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
+1

:hi:

The whole point is to show that any one can pervert any thing to justify malicious acts.

To lay blame one group of people is insane.
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Some would consider living life suffering from cranial anal inversion syndrome while avoiding the facing of the facts of life to be the epitomy of insanity. :hi:
 
#112
#112
gsvol said:
Don't mean to pick on you or to steer the discussion away from what you are saying but here is a question that has been bothering me.

We have a supposedly Christian president who has said we are not a Christian nation but a multicultural nation and has said we have no business in Iraq, a muslim nation.

Two questions.

1. Is not Afghanistan a muslim nation? After all they incorporate the barbaric pagan islamic sharia law into their own constitution.

2. If Iraq is a muslim nation, what then of the few surviving Christians who live within it's borders???
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Give me the quote you are basing this on, and I'll give you my opinion. My thought is that his point was not that we didn't belong in Iraq *because* it is a Muslim nation.

If Iraq isn't governed by Muslim clerics, then I would probably not call it a true Muslim nation. If the government officially aligns itself with Islam (let's say, like Iran), then that seems more like a Muslim nation to me. Of course, you could also choose to call a nation Muslim if a majority of its citizens are Muslim...in which case the US would likely be called a Christian nation. I would come closer to calling Great Britain a Christian nation due to the fact that the head of state is also the head of the (Christian) Church of England.
 
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#113
TennTradition said:
Give me the quote you are basing this on, and I'll give you my opinion. My thought is that his point was not that we didn't belong in Iraq *because* it is a Muslim nation.

If Iraq isn't governed by Muslim clerics, then I would probably not call it a true Muslim nation. If the government officially aligns itself with Islam (let's say, like Iran), then that seems more like a Muslim nation to me. Of course, you could also choose to call a nation Muslim if a majority of its citizens are Muslim...in which case the US would likely be called a Christian nation. I would come closer to calling Great Britain a Christian nation due to the fact that the head of state is also the head of the (Christian) Church of England.
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Iran I would say is an Islamic state. Interestingly, although certainly there is reason to be concerned that they sponsor in some fashion at least some terrorist links, it is by far their organized, state run nuclear program that worries us.

The reality is that state-sponsored terrorism is a shadow of what it was 30 years ago. Most of these terrorist groups we deal with now are loose confederations of people who find their religious fervor to be in common.

Now, given the fact that overwhelming majority of Islamic people are totally uninterested in either terrorism or state-sponsored military activity versus the U.S. or the West generally, I think sensible people have to come to grips with the fact that the religion itself is not the problem. Its some of the people running it that are the problem.
 
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#114
OrangeEmpire said:
We have a winner.......

:worship:
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Winning just what???

He is still equating islam and Chistianity.

Christianity doesn't teach the domination of the world in the name of Jesus, islam does teach the domination of the world in the name of muhammed.

Why can't you numbskulls not grasp that simple fact???? :glare:



CountVolcula said:
You are correct and I am wrong. Got my associations wrong.

I need to stop while I'm ahead.
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You mean while you are behind? :)

utvolpj said:
and I'm sure there are Muslim leaders saying the same.
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Name one!

TennTradition said:
Give me the quote you are basing this on, and I'll give you my opinion. My thought is that his point was not that we didn't belong in Iraq *because* it is a Muslim nation.

If Iraq isn't governed by Muslim clerics, then I would probably not call it a true Muslim nation. If the government officially aligns itself with Islam (let's say, like Iran), then that seems more like a Muslim nation to me. Of course, you could also choose to call a nation Muslim if a majority of its citizens are Muslim...in which case the US would likely be called a Christian nation. I would come closer to calling Great Britain a Christian nation due to the fact that the head of state is also the head of the (Christian) Church of England.
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The quotes I gave are there, do I need to cite the time and date??

"We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation."
Barack Hussein Obama

"We have no business in Iraq, a muslim nation."
Barach Hussein Obama

Why is it a muslim nation if they have Christians (albeit very oppressed ones) living there???

What is it about Afghanistan that makes it not a muslim nation, or if it is a muslim nation, what is our business there?

The Archbishop of Canterbury advocates for islamic sharia law in Britian, how screwed up is that???

Chamberlain appeased Hitler to no end until Hitler went ahead an attacked Britian anyway, unfortuantely history is repeating itself so soon, the British make every sort of concession to appease muslim but still their demands grow each day.

Ultimately they are the same as Hitler, nothing short of total capitulation is satisfactory.

ame goes for their designs on America.

That's a fact jack and no matter how much and how many will deny that fact, that's still a fact jack.

I do agree with you analogy about the mullahs ruling Iran and that is why I thought obama's statement so weird, although he was just following the mealy mouthed rhetoric of the dumcrap party.
 
#115
#115
I can't really see why he would say "We have no business in Iraq, a muslim nation." Could you give me a link for context?
 
#116
#116
TennTradition said:
Give me the quote you are basing this on, and I'll give you my opinion. My thought is that his point was not that we didn't belong in Iraq *because* it is a Muslim nation.

If Iraq isn't governed by Muslim clerics, then I would probably not call it a true Muslim nation. If the government officially aligns itself with Islam (let's say, like Iran), then that seems more like a Muslim nation to me. Of course, you could also choose to call a nation Muslim if a majority of its citizens are Muslim...in which case the US would likely be called a Christian nation. I would come closer to calling Great Britain a Christian nation due to the fact that the head of state is also the head of the (Christian) Church of England.
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Adendum:

The royal family is the titular head of state but not the de facto rulers and as to Church of England, although the head of the royal family holds the title ' Supreme Governor of the Church of England '(call it Christian if you wish, it seems to me to be totally corrupted by politics and money) they have little to do with running the church except to hold the title "defender of the faith" which in reality must = failure of the first order.

One thing that pretty well screws of the average American's understanding of all things British is the little known fact that the BBC is wholly owned and operated by the British government and is it's official mouthpiece.

The title of "Defender of the Faith" was first bestowed on Henry VIII by the pope, because of his defense of the Catholic view of the Eucharist against Martin Luther. Henry VIII later had Sir Thomas More and Bishop John Fisher executed because of their loyalty to the Catholic Church. It seems ironic that the non-Catholic monarchs of England have continued to use a title which came from the pope.

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For all practical purposes, they might as well be muslim themselves, a family of inbred morons at best.

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#117
TennTradition said:
I can't really see why he would say "We have no business in Iraq, a muslim nation." Could you give me a link for context?
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Difficult to pull that back out of the memory hole but it was a statement made by him back while he was running for president. (or even before he announced and was possibly running for a senate seat) I distinctly remember that as being almost if not his exact words.

If you recall, all the top democrats made all sorts of speeches about WMDs and 'regime change in Iraq' but when Bush actually pulled the trigger they abandoned ship immediately. (Jay Rockefeller even made a visit beforehand to Syria and Arabia and freely admitted that he warned them of Bush's intentions, which gave Iraq ample time to remove any evidence of WMDs)

That was Obama's stance at the time.

I see no reason for him to make such a statement either except to be in solidarity with the two faced Kerry and his assorted set of traitors to the American people.

If you don't trust my memory then I will try to find where that statement was documented.
 
#120
#120
volfanjustin said:
Christianity does not promote or excuse violence
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And yet there are some Christians out there that believe the ends justify the means and commit acts of violence in the name of their religion.

I find it odd that you ignore them and refuse to call them terrorists but are more than willing to say all terrorists are Muslim when it has been demonstrated to you over and over this isn't true.
 
#121
#121
volfanjustin said:
It is about Islam, any true Christian leader is not telling his followers to go kill in the name of Christianity
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This is what you believe, I will assure you there are leaders of Christian groups out there who tell their followers that killing in the name of God is justified.

I imagine it is not all that different than what the radical Muslim clerics are telling their followers. The point is those who are calling for the deaths of people in Islam and Christianity are radicals.
 
#122
#122
Name one Muslim nation that gives their citizens the rights we have in this country. The point is Islam and Western Culture will not mesh. Let Islam take over and you can kiss your freedoms goodbye. That is what I have against Islam. It is an oppressive religion. Ask some of the people in Afghanistan that lived under the rule of Islamic Law inforced by the Taliban.

http://www.rawa.org/rules.htm

Taliban restrictions and mistreatment of women include the:

1- Complete ban on women's work outside the home, which also applies to female teachers, engineers and most professionals. Only a few female doctors and nurses are allowed to work in some hospitals in Kabul.

2- Complete ban on women's activity outside the home unless accompanied by a mahram (close male relative such as a father, brother or husband).

3- Ban on women dealing with male shopkeepers.

4- Ban on women being treated by male doctors.

5- Ban on women studying at schools, universities or any other educational institution. (Taliban have converted girls' schools into religious seminaries.)

Apart from the above restrictions on women, the Taliban has:

- Banned listening to music, not only for women but men as well.

- Banned the watching of movies, television and videos, for everyone.

- Banned celebrating the traditional new year (Nowroz) on March 21. The Taliban has proclaimed the holiday un-Islamic.

- Disavowed Labor Day (May 1st), because it is deemed a "communist" holiday.

- Ordered that all people with non-Islamic names change them to Islamic ones.

- Forced haircuts upon Afghan youth.

- Ordered that men wear Islamic clothes and a cap.

- Ordered that men not shave or trim their beards, which should grow long enough to protrude from a fist clasped at the point of the chin.
 
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CountVolcula said:
They could do a lot to change the worlds perception of Islam.
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I don't think anyone here is claiming Islam doesn't have a serious problem with radical clerics. There are simply too many of them preaching their hate.
 
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#125
KB5252 said:
This is what you believe, I will assure you there are leaders of Christian groups out there who tell their followers that killing in the name of God is justified.

I imagine it is not all that different than what the radical Muslim clerics are telling their followers. The point is those who are calling for the deaths of people in Islam and Christianity are radicals.
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You can find radicals every where and in every religion. But we don't have preachers telling Christians go kill in the name of our religion, what you all don't seem to understand is that Islam practices, teaches, excepts and promotes terror and murder. Christianity and no other religion I am aware of does.
 
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