CBJ Pre-Spring Presser...

[volfanhill]

I typically would be too... but the performance in '13 spoiled that for me. I am NOT saying Jones won't use his "process" to get the long lasting results he mentioned. I AM saying that I don't like it when I hear the same kind of talk following a season where team and coaching performance looked like there had never been a coaching change.[/

I saw a big difference in last years team when compared to Dooley led teams

 

[Orange_Crush]

When we are young and building depth, he would be an idiot to hold a press conference and say: "Wow! We got so much talent ready to start day one! If we don't win 9 games this year, I've failed! As a matter of fact, I can't wait to sing Rocky Top all night after murdering those Gators."

No. You set the expectations based on reality and work your tail off to exceed them.

 

[DERELICK_MY_VOLS]

I really do hate to start this... but I read the entire transcript and saw WAY more "we're young" talk... (aka we can't be any good because we're young). Maybe it sounded different but it read like excuse making before excuses were needed... like 6 months before they were needed.

Dooley took heat and probably rightly so for saying that his team "wasn't very good" at that point. Jones did almost the same thing when he said, " We are not anywhere close to where we need to be in relative to being an elite program." It might be a true statement... but what is the value in saying it?

If by Team 119 he is still using that verbiage there will be reason to be concerned.....not after this huge class of freshman highly rated/recruited kids we just signed.

 

[TVOL71]

I really do hate to start this... but I read the entire transcript and saw WAY more "we're young" talk... (aka we can't be any good because we're young). Maybe it sounded different but it read like excuse making before excuses were needed... like 6 months before they were needed.

Dooley took heat and probably rightly so for saying that his team "wasn't very good" at that point. Jones did almost the same thing when he said, " We are not anywhere close to where we need to be in relative to being an elite program." It might be a true statement... but what is the value in saying it?

He is basically stating facts, this team is very young, replacing the entire O-Line and D-Line, questions at quarterback, only one proven receiver and one new linebacker, etc. They will be very good in time, but don't get your hopes up this coming year. I suspect if they go 5-7 (or worse) there will be many people who will be very upset, some calling for him to be fired. While I think and hope they will be at least 6-6 this year, there are too many questions to expect that at this point.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

I understand the concern that Butch is "making excuses" like Dooley did, but I you read the full speech there's much more language speaking about the standards that are being set in order for the team to develop.

 

[PerneVedisUncool]

I really do hate to start this... but I read the entire transcript and saw WAY more "we're young" talk... (aka we can't be any good because we're young). Maybe it sounded different but it read like excuse making before excuses were needed... like 6 months before they were needed.

Dooley took heat and probably rightly so for saying that his team "wasn't very good" at that point. Jones did almost the same thing when he said, " We are not anywhere close to where we need to be in relative to being an elite program." It might be a true statement... but what is the value in saying it?

To let your players know they need to work hard

 

[Orange_Crush]

Oh, and because he was, in large part, answering questions.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

I typically would be too... but the performance in '13 spoiled that for me. I am NOT saying Jones won't use his "process" to get the long lasting results he mentioned. I AM saying that I don't like it when I hear the same kind of talk following a season where team and coaching performance looked like there had never been a coaching change.

JMIO, sjt18. It would help if you didn't throw out negative posts from thread to thread. We get it, you don't think we have or will do well. We get it, you don't think Jones has been all we think and hope he is or even will be. Or that certain of our players are all that. We get it.

For some of us, hope springs eternal. For some of us, we believe victory begins with believing you can win as it sets the whole attitude and effort you spend. When I walk into Neyland, or see on TV all that orange, I and many others even when no reason exists, believe and give Team Orange all the support we have to give. Feed them that energy and belief. When we lost to Georgia, a team experts felt we didn't even belong on the same field with, you saw it. A standing ovation for Pig and his team's effort. Knowing that better things were coming and not too far off. This is what we need, not constant putdowns of our team and coaches.

We get it. We're bad now. But beneath that bad beats an orange heart pumping orange blood. A heart that was once sick, beat slowly and laboriously, dying. But suddenly the beat is stronger though the creature is still in a sort of semi-coma. The breathing is strong enough to take off the ventilator. The defribillator can be put away. And Dr. Jones is saying, "The patient is responding to treatment but not out of the woods yet. Results are promising but there's no guarantee. Only time will tell."

Would be nice to see you, sjt18, cheer for the good news we do have about our team. Instead of constantly doubting, denigrating, and more. The patient was left for dead more or less but refused to die. Despite having endured doctors who misdiagnosed and whose treatments compounded complications rather than healed them. So kindly stand up and be proud the team and program acted like Tombstone, the town too tough to die.

 

[Burger]

When we are young and building depth, he would be an idiot to hold a press conference and say: "Wow! We got so much talent ready to start day one! If we don't win 9 games this year, I've failed! As a matter of fact, I can't wait to sing Rocky Top all night after murdering those Gators."

No. You set the expectations based on reality and work your tail off to exceed them.

This. It's the only way you can set goals and succed doing them. They have to be realistic and reasonable.

 

[Boca Vol]

I saw a big difference in last years team when compared to Dooley led teams

Like what? If you're going to say beating a ranked team, look a little deeper than the scoreboard.

In 2012 UT was down by double digits, on the road, several times against UGA and had the ball late in the game and was driving. They had a similar performance on the road against S. Carolina as well.

The main difference was North making an insane catch to bail the QB out.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

This. It's the only way you can set goals and succed doing them. They have to be realistic and reasonable.

Absurd! We has just as much depth and talent as every team on the schedule! If we don't win 7 games this season it will be because Jones (and our DC who hasn't impressed me) hasn't developed our 18 year olds well enough.

I can't be persuaded that opponents who beat us last season had more talent or speed than we did, even though they'll have many more players drafted in may! Sure, Auburn and Mizzou's players may have had better "40 yard dash times" or "shuttle times" or "draft profiles," but better coaching would have overcome all of that.

And don't get me started on Azzani! It's very worrying to me that he wasn't able to take a WR corps full of 1st and 2nd year players (most of whom played RB for the majority of their careers) and mold them into a crew of All Americans! Worley could have led this team to the BCSNCG if our coaches had developed our WR talent (he's much better than any of you give him credit for and will most likely win the job this season and be a top 10 pick in 2015). Every incompletion he had was obviously the WR coach's fault!

If you look at ourast 5 recruiting classes on paper, they're just as good or better than any in the country! NVM that all the best talent from those classes left the program after a season or two.

I'm just not sold on our staff (especially the DC who I blame for UGA's past bad defenses even though he was their LB coach). There's no way that our secondary should be getting beat by the athletically inferior WR corps of Mizzou. Any DC worth his salt would have developed our walk on NBs to be able to cover DGB one on one.

And now Butch has the nerve to caution us against placing overly high expectations on the true freshmen who will provide depth or start for us next season?

Is it justj18 me, or is something wrong with this picture!?

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

Absurd! We has just as much depth and talent as every team on the schedule! If we don't win 7 games this season it will be because Jones (and our DC who hasn't impressed me) hasn't developed our 18 year olds well enough.

I can't be persuaded that opponents who beat us last season had more talent or speed than we did, even though they'll have many more players drafted in may! Sure, Auburn and Mizzou's players may have had better "40 yard dash times" or "shuttle times" or "draft profiles," but better coaching would have overcome all of that.

And don't get me started on Azzani! It's very worrying to me that he wasn't able to take a WR corps full of 1st and 2nd year players (most of whom played RB for the majority of their careers) and mold them into a crew of All Americans! Worley could have led this team to the BCSNCG if our coaches had developed our WR talent (he's much better than any of you give him credit for and will most likely win the job this season and be a top 10 pick in 2015). Every incompletion he had was obviously the WR coach's fault!

If you look at ourast 5 recruiting classes on paper, they're just as good or better than any in the country! NVM that all the best talent from those classes left the program after a season or two.

I'm just not sold on our staff (especially the DC who I blame for UGA's past bad defenses even though he was their LB coach). There's no way that our secondary should be getting beat by the athletically inferior WR corps of Mizzou. Any DC worth his salt would have developed our walk on NBs to be able to cover DGB one on one.

And now Butch has the nerve to caution us against placing overly high expectations on the true freshmen who will provide depth or start for us next season?

Is it justj18 me, or is something wrong with this picture!?

I get so very tired of all of this negativity around here. How anyone could not see that this years team will be the second coming of our 1998 team is beyond me. I question if many here are real fans of this program with their constant analyzing and questioning of this team. You guys really look stupid and I will break it down to show you why.


The Defense- This year's D will be the most prolific that we have had since the year Tennessee's went unscored upon. Why? You negative Nancies ask? It's simple. They are hungry and have a big orange fire burning inside of them to get it done! But Jancek? You rain clouds cry! Jancek is a defensive genius that will finally have the tools to run his schemes.


The Offense- The big debate raging around here is the QB position. This is really stupid and a waste of time and it is not my opinion. Alice, from the Psychic Friends Network, has foretold the coming of a Dobbgobblin! She has described him as having the arm of Bray, the running ability of Holloway, with the mind of Manning. Couple this with Hurd running for 400 yards a game, and there is not only the potential to average 80 points a game, we should expect it!


The Coaching Staff- Do I really need to address this one? Butch plainly said that this was the best staff in America and I think we are all in agreement that he "gets it".


So, there it is. It's fairly simple and plainly obvious. Don't attempt to argue with me about it because you will only look foolish and will only be doing for the sake of needing to be negative. If you choose to do so anyway, I will put you on ignore.
















/sarcasm for the challenged

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Darth_Shiveman or perhaps I should say stj18(?), given your 'tude and views, which even if I disagree, should be respected as your right to have and hold. Perhaps even cherish. All I have to offer you is some Melville. "Ah Bartleby, ah humanity."
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNvFPKujc5w[/youtube]

 

[Burger]

Darth_Shiveman, given your 'tude and views, which even if I disagree, should be respected as your right to have and hold. Perhaps even cherish. All I have to offer you is some Melville. "Ah Bartleby, ah humanity."
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/v/oNvFPKujc5w[/youtube]

Kurt Vonnegut would be proud of the sarcasm in this thread.

 

[sjt18]

Absurd! We has just as much depth and talent as every team on the schedule! If we don't win 7 games this season it will be because Jones (and our DC who hasn't impressed me) hasn't developed our 18 year olds well enough.

I can't be persuaded that opponents who beat us last season had more talent or speed than we did, even though they'll have many more players drafted in may! Sure, Auburn and Mizzou's players may have had better "40 yard dash times" or "shuttle times" or "draft profiles," but better coaching would have overcome all of that.

And don't get me started on Azzani! It's very worrying to me that he wasn't able to take a WR corps full of 1st and 2nd year players (most of whom played RB for the majority of their careers) and mold them into a crew of All Americans! Worley could have led this team to the BCSNCG if our coaches had developed our WR talent (he's much better than any of you give him credit for and will most likely win the job this season and be a top 10 pick in 2015). Every incompletion he had was obviously the WR coach's fault!

If you look at ourast 5 recruiting classes on paper, they're just as good or better than any in the country! NVM that all the best talent from those classes left the program after a season or two.

I'm just not sold on our staff (especially the DC who I blame for UGA's past bad defenses even though he was their LB coach). There's no way that our secondary should be getting beat by the athletically inferior WR corps of Mizzou. Any DC worth his salt would have developed our walk on NBs to be able to cover DGB one on one.

And now Butch has the nerve to caution us against placing overly high expectations on the true freshmen who will provide depth or start for us next season?

Is it justj18 me, or is something wrong with this picture!?

Oh no, how can you say such things. Don't you know...

... Rule 1- This is the greatest coaching staff ever assembled. It is a proven fact and if you question anything they do then you are not a fan.

... Rule 2- If you think they haven't proven that they are above all questions or criticisms then refer to Rule 1... you are probably a Bama fan and don't know it.

...It is all about Jimmy's and Joe's... and this team has only one walk on Joe on it!

.... The last coach is always responsible for anything that happens under the new coach for 5 years. It is never appropriate to expect coaches to coach.

.... It is all talent. Less talented players who are coached to do their jobs NEVER have success or are able to compete against more talented teams.

... The team is too slow. Slow players with great coaching NEVER have success against faster players... or equally slow players if it calls Rule 1 into question.

... When the former HC called talent into question then he was throwing players under the bus but the current coach is just "challenging" his team.

... It is unreasonable to expect the best staff ever to coach up young talent and win... but it is perfectly reasonable to excuse the staff for losing with veterans to teams with young talent.

... In fact, it is unreasonable to expect this staff to get the best out of talented veterans OR talented young players. If you disagree, refer to Rule 1.

... Coaching has nothing to do with a team getting blown out more times than any Vol team since the advent of facemasks. It was ONLY because of talent, Dooley, and the "most difficult schedule in the history of college football." If you don't believe that then you are not only not a fan... you are stupid.

... In fact, if you even think about considering the current staff responsible for the performance of the team... then you are not a fan and are stupid.

In all seriousness, Thanks. You saved us a whole string of responses in which I made statements that you could not answer so you instead twisted my words into strawmen that you could easily knock over. You could then beat your chest and proclaim how smart you are for closing your eyes to anything remotely negative in the performance of the current staff.

 

[MedicT]

Oh no, how can you say such things. Don't you know...

... Rule 1- This is the greatest coaching staff ever assembled. It is a proven fact and if you question anything they do then you are not a fan.

... Rule 2- If you think they haven't proven that they are above all questions or criticisms then refer to Rule 1... you are probably a Bama fan and don't know it.

...It is all about Jimmy's and Joe's... and this team has only one walk on Joe on it!

.... The last coach is always responsible for anything that happens under the new coach for 5 years. It is never appropriate to expect coaches to coach.

.... It is all talent. Less talented players who are coached to do their jobs NEVER have success or are able to compete against more talented teams.

... The team is too slow. Slow players with great coaching NEVER have success against faster players... or equally slow players if it calls Rule 1 into question.

... When the former HC called talent into question then he was throwing players under the bus but the current coach is just "challenging" his team.

... It is unreasonable to expect the best staff ever to coach up young talent and win... but it is perfectly reasonable to excuse the staff for losing with veterans to teams with young talent.

... In fact, it is unreasonable to expect this staff to get the best out of talented veterans OR talented young players. If you disagree, refer to Rule 1.

... Coaching has nothing to do with a team getting blown out more times than any Vol team since the advent of facemasks. It was ONLY because of talent, Dooley, and the "most difficult schedule in the history of college football." If you don't believe that then you are not only not a fan... you are stupid.

... In fact, if you even think about considering the current staff responsible for the performance of the team... then you are not a fan and are stupid.

In all seriousness, Thanks. You saved us a whole string of responses in which I made statements that you could not answer so you instead twisted my words into strawmen that you could easily knock over. You could then beat your chest and proclaim how smart you are for closing your eyes to anything remotely negative in the performance of the current staff.

One question, if as most of us think, UT is on the road to success, will you be here to admit that you are stupid?

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

Darth_Shiveman or perhaps I should say stj18(?), given your 'tude and views, which even if I disagree, should be respected as your right to have and hold. Perhaps even cherish. All I have to offer you is some Melville. "Ah Bartleby, ah humanity."
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/v/oNvFPKujc5w[/youtube]

The challenged

 

[WoodsmanVol]

The challenged

Ah, true it is. :cray:

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

Ah, true it is. :cray:

Just ribbing you a little.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Oh no, how can you say such things. Don't you know...

... Rule 1- This is the greatest coaching staff ever assembled. It is a proven fact and if you question anything they do then you are not a fan.

... Rule 2- If you think they haven't proven that they are above all questions or criticisms then refer to Rule 1... you are probably a Bama fan and don't know it.

...It is all about Jimmy's and Joe's... and this team has only one walk on Joe on it!

.... The last coach is always responsible for anything that happens under the new coach for 5 years. It is never appropriate to expect coaches to coach.

.... It is all talent. Less talented players who are coached to do their jobs NEVER have success or are able to compete against more talented teams.

... The team is too slow. Slow players with great coaching NEVER have success against faster players... or equally slow players if it calls Rule 1 into question.

... When the former HC called talent into question then he was throwing players under the bus but the current coach is just "challenging" his team.

... It is unreasonable to expect the best staff ever to coach up young talent and win... but it is perfectly reasonable to excuse the staff for losing with veterans to teams with young talent.

... In fact, it is unreasonable to expect this staff to get the best out of talented veterans OR talented young players. If you disagree, refer to Rule 1.

... Coaching has nothing to do with a team getting blown out more times than any Vol team since the advent of facemasks. It was ONLY because of talent, Dooley, and the "most difficult schedule in the history of college football." If you don't believe that then you are not only not a fan... you are stupid.

... In fact, if you even think about considering the current staff responsible for the performance of the team... then you are not a fan and are stupid.

In all seriousness, Thanks. You saved us a whole string of responses in which I made statements that you could not answer so you instead twisted my words into strawmen that you could easily knock over. You could then beat your chest and proclaim how smart you are for closing your eyes to anything remotely negative in the performance of the current staff.

You are probably one of the most negative posters I have had the displeasure of encountering. Every time I stumble across on your negative filled rants, I often think to myself, "Why are they even a fan?"

You come across as a very bitter and negative person. That schtick gets old....quick.

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

You are probably one of the most negative posters I have had the displeasure of encountering. Every time I stumble across on your negative filled rants, I often think to myself, "Why are they even a fan?"

You come across as a very bitter and negative person. That schtick gets old....quick.

I don't really find him to be negative at all. He has concerns and a lot of them are legit. I think most people's problem with him is that they want to believe that the nightmare is over right now for this program. His concerns questions these people's beliefs and whether they admit it or not, it makes them take a step back and question some things themselves. Sometimes they may not like what they see.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Just ribbing you a little.

Yeah, but it's true all the same. Missed it big time. But then again, it shows another truth and that is:

Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls, Children of all ages, step right up to the Spring Training World of Mirth and Mayhem, Danger and Excitement, Thrills, Spills, and Chills, Blaring Bands and Fanciful Films as Volnation brings you a Vols fans circus posting paradise.
For the spring training circus indeed, is back in town.

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

Yeah, but it's true all the same. Missed it big time. But then again, it shows another truth and that is:

Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls, Children of all ages, step right up to the Spring Training World of Mirth and Mayhem, Danger and Excitement, Thrills, Spills, and Chills, Blaring Bands and Fanciful Films as Volnation brings you a Vols fans circus posting paradise.
For the spring training circus indeed, is back in town.

Absolute truth.
Think about it, by VN standards, we are two and a half hours from knowing who our starting QB will be this fall.

 

[Smokefatty]

Absurd! We has just as much depth and talent as every team on the schedule! If we don't win 7 games this season it will be because Jones (and our DC who hasn't impressed me) hasn't developed our 18 year olds well enough.

I can't be persuaded that opponents who beat us last season had more talent or speed than we did, even though they'll have many more players drafted in may! Sure, Auburn and Mizzou's players may have had better "40 yard dash times" or "shuttle times" or "draft profiles," but better coaching would have overcome all of that.

And don't get me started on Azzani! It's very worrying to me that he wasn't able to take a WR corps full of 1st and 2nd year players (most of whom played RB for the majority of their careers) and mold them into a crew of All Americans! Worley could have led this team to the BCSNCG if our coaches had developed our WR talent (he's much better than any of you give him credit for and will most likely win the job this season and be a top 10 pick in 2015). Every incompletion he had was obviously the WR coach's fault!

If you look at ourast 5 recruiting classes on paper, they're just as good or better than any in the country! NVM that all the best talent from those classes left the program after a season or two.

I'm just not sold on our staff (especially the DC who I blame for UGA's past bad defenses even though he was their LB coach). There's no way that our secondary should be getting beat by the athletically inferior WR corps of Mizzou. Any DC worth his salt would have developed our walk on NBs to be able to cover DGB one on one.

And now Butch has the nerve to caution us against placing overly high expectations on the true freshmen who will provide depth or start for us next season?

Is it justj18 me, or is something wrong with this picture!?

Awesome SJT impression! He should just copy/paste this into every post. It must be hard finding slightly different ways to say the same exact thing 100 times a day.

 

[Vol knight]

JMIO, sjt18. It would help if you didn't throw out negative posts from thread to thread. We get it, you don't think we have or will do well. We get it, you don't think Jones has been all we think and hope he is or even will be. Or that certain of our players are all that. We get it.

For some of us, hope springs eternal. For some of us, we believe victory begins with believing you can win as it sets the whole attitude and effort you spend. When I walk into Neyland, or see on TV all that orange, I and many others even when no reason exists, believe and give Team Orange all the support we have to give. Feed them that energy and belief. When we lost to Georgia, a team experts felt we didn't even belong on the same field with, you saw it. A standing ovation for Pig and his team's effort. Knowing that better things were coming and not too far off. This is what we need, not constant putdowns of our team and coaches.

We get it. We're bad now. But beneath that bad beats an orange heart pumping orange blood. A heart that was once sick, beat slowly and laboriously, dying. But suddenly the beat is stronger though the creature is still in a sort of semi-coma. The breathing is strong enough to take off the ventilator. The defribillator can be put away. And Dr. Jones is saying, "The patient is responding to treatment but not out of the woods yet. Results are promising but there's no guarantee. Only time will tell."

Would be nice to see you, sjt18, cheer for the good news we do have about our team. Instead of constantly doubting, denigrating, and more. The patient was left for dead more or less but refused to die. Despite having endured doctors who misdiagnosed and whose treatments compounded complications rather than healed them. So kindly stand up and be proud the team and program acted like Tombstone, the town too tough to die.

This speech should apply to several posters in this forum.