CBJ Pre-Spring Presser...

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titansvolsfaninga said:
Who told you that YOUR reality is actual reality?
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I know the difference between facts and opinions. Facts are things like 4 blowout losses which is worst UT has experienced in 50 years, a scoring D second worst only to the mess that got Dooley fired within the last 50 years, a near loss to USA because the D couldn't stop a 2nd rate mid-major O, a GREAT performance and near win vs UGA, an outstanding effort and win vs USCe,.... We can go deeper into the numbers and such but those things really aren't "my" reality... they are "actual" reality.

What makes the reality of someone else less valid than yours?
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There is only one reality. Our perceptions of it may be different. But we don't have individual realities.

If you would even have a tiny positive thought, I bet you that life would be a lot more enjoyable.
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You need to read more of my posts if in your "reality" you don't think I make MANY positive comments.

In fact, in one of the two or three threads I am posting in now I wrote that I thought there was a much better than average chance that this class would produce SEC worthy players this fall.

I've said that all 4 QB's have potential while many of the "positive" posters here have taken shots at one or the other. I have defended Worley specifically from harsh attacks.

I've said that I was bullish on the O. In case you don't know what "bullish" means... it means I think their stock is on the rise... that they will get better.

I have defended the new OL and believe they'll surprise almost everyone.

I am UT fan. I see the good and bad in players. I see the good and bad in the coaches. I am NOT a Worley, Dobbs, Ferguson, Peterman, Lane, Hurd, Malone, Smith,... fan... I am not a Dooley, Fulmer, Kiffin, Majors,... or Jones fan. I AM A UT FAN. I am fan of individual players or coaches only to the extent that they make UT better. So the short answer is that I do not "give" my faith and allegiance to Jones just because he got hired. He earns that by making the TEAM I am a fan of better.
 
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#102
#102
Burger said:
My problem is you're stonewalling a man before he got the job done.
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You're a good guy and I appreciate that feedback. But that's not really my intent. I have many times said that I am not trying to make a final judgment but only laying a critical eye on what tangible results we have. Jones has a good resume. But he still has to prove he can get it done at UT.

I suspect its due to battered-wife syndrome. You know that anything in life worth having takes time and hard work.
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True. I also know that raising an organization from failure to success very frequently takes a process of finding the right leaders. You don't do that while making snap judgments... but you also don't get there by turning a blind eye to subpar intermediate results.

I actually have a worse outlook than you this year.
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I am hopeful. I hope last year was not indicative of the coaching staff and especially the DC. I am hopeful that "their" type of players will in fact make a difference. I am hopeful that the D was held back by Dooley's 2 year attempt to recruit for the 3-4 and the fact that some of those players weren't suited for the 4-3 very well. I am hopeful that I am right about the O this fall. I think they have a good chance of being very, very good.

It just turns on the recycling machine when some of these guys act as if its all in the bag and last year never happened.
 
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sjt18 said:
You're a good guy and I appreciate that feedback. But that's not really my intent. I have many times said that I am not trying to make a final judgment but only laying a critical eye on what tangible results we have. Jones has a good resume. But he still has to prove he can get it done at UT.

True. I also know that raising an organization from failure to success very frequently takes a process of finding the right leaders. You don't do that while making snap judgments... but you also don't get there by turning a blind eye to subpar intermediate results.



I am hopeful. I hope last year was not indicative of the coaching staff and especially the DC. I am hopeful that "their" type of players will in fact make a difference. I am hopeful that the D was held back by Dooley's 2 year attempt to recruit for the 3-4 and the fact that some of those players weren't suited for the 4-3 very well. I am hopeful that I am right about the O this fall. I think they have a good chance of being very, very good.

It just turns on the recycling machine when some of these guys act as if its all in the bag and last year never happened.
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What made me seem to be hopeful about our D is that our guys actually were in the right places, but we miss tackles, didn't shed blocks. It's things that take awhile to coach.

The only better resume I've seen at that point of his career is Craig Bohl.
 
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sjt18 said:
And I keep repeating them as MY way of saying "enough already" with the blind faith and optimism that ignores obvious things.

I am not anti-hope or anti-faith even. I am opposed to those who just refuse to deal with reality. You apparently think I'm the debil or something but I'd pretty much let off talking about last year until others started bringing it up. So they start up with the same ol' stuff, I respond with the same ol' stuff... and you blame me.

I AM hopeful. I am hopeful that the young talent comes along quickly enough to get six or 7 wins this fall. I am hopeful that Jones' words about "doing it the right way" and "being disciplined" to a process aren't just words and help explain what looked like pretty poor coaching last fall. I am hopeful that last fall was not an indication of the true ability of this staff.

And again, if you all will stop pretending like it didn't happen and that it doesn't at a minimum raise questions... I will happily not bring it up either.
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OK. But your post makes me think of this:

Where am I going? What I'm living for?
I rolled the dice on life so tell me what they getting for it
I'm three shots in, probably depressed
But crying about my problems ain't gonna get me out this mess
Ride around playing Scarface, I'm a hard case
I want to die, but I'm scared of looking in God's face
Popping pills and powder, trying to kill some hours
Cause when I'm sober, man I promise I can feel the power
Of death eating me slowly I'm on my way
Heaven or Hell? Well that's only for God to say
I lost some people but I never like to talk about it (nah)
Hard time, we go through 'em we don't walk around 'em

--Apologies to Kevin Ross--
 
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Burger said:
What made me seem to be hopeful about our D is that our guys actually were in the right places, but we miss tackles, didn't shed blocks. It's things that take awhile to coach.

The only better resume I've seen at that point of his career is Craig Bohl.
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See I would have an honest disagreement with you about the D. I saw players out of position repeatedly on critical plays. Guys failed to keep leverage or fill their lanes. McCullers spend WAY too much time in AJ's lap and played anyway. JRM looked like part of the answer every time he touched the field but for some reason never got much PT at LB. I mean would it really be that hard to start him out as a 1st down LB with a limited package?

I live in MO and was only able to attend the Mizzou game. There was no creativity. There didn't seem to be any effective disguising of the D. Mawk actually missed seeing several WR's that were open due to blown assignments. MU's OL did not possess elite physical talent as SEC OL's go... but they manhandled UT's DL and particularly Smith and McCullers. Hood though not very talented seemd to be the one guy that played smart and kept his leverage.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
OK. But your post makes me think of this:

Where am I going? What I'm living for?
I rolled the dice on life so tell me what they getting for it
I'm three shots in, probably depressed
But crying about my problems ain't gonna get me out this mess
Ride around playing Scarface, I'm a hard case
I want to die, but I'm scared of looking in God's face
Popping pills and powder, trying to kill some hours
Cause when I'm sober, man I promise I can feel the power
Of death eating me slowly I'm on my way
Heaven or Hell? Well that's only for God to say
I lost some people but I never like to talk about it (nah)
Hard time, we go through 'em we don't walk around 'em

--Apologies to Kevin Ross--
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:lolabove:

The really, really funny thing about this is that I am a pretty positive person, believe in working hard... not rolling dice, don't do drugs, and haven't drank alcohol in over 20 years.

I've essentually fired or chased off all of the negative people that worked in my facility before I arrived. I have one of the lowest "drama" workplaces that you'll ever see.... and we are one of the best performing facilities in our division of a Fortune 500 company.

Like Jones, I came in believing in a "right way process" that got me a lot of heat early on from bosses who didn't see the immediate results they wanted. I spend about 4 times the time and money to hire people than my peers do... because I want only the "right" people. Part of being the "right" person here is being happy/content here. If someone isn't, I help them find somewhere else to work.
 
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sjt18 said:
:lolabove:

The really, really funny thing about this is that I am a pretty positive person, believe in working hard... not rolling dice, don't do drugs, and haven't drank alcohol in over 20 years.

I've essentually fired or chased off all of the negative people that worked in my facility before I arrived. I have one of the lowest "drama" workplaces that you'll ever see.... and we are one of the best performing facilities in our division of a Fortune 500 company.

Like Jones, I came in believing in a "right way process" that got me a lot of heat early on from bosses who didn't see the immediate results they wanted. I spend about 4 times the time and money to hire people than my peers do... because I want only the "right" people. Part of being the "right" person here is being happy/content here. If someone isn't, I help them find somewhere else to work.
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Me thinkst thou protests too much.

Consider this. You believe you're both right and have made your points. {Actually, I think you have pointed out some very good ones.} If we dumb schmucks can't see what's obvious to you, pity us and let it go. Throwing the same stuff at us repetitively obviously isn't going to make a difference. Know the saying of "Never argue with a fool, cause then people can't tell the difference." So, ummm, maybe it would be a good idea to just let us fools be. Knowhutimen?
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Me thinkst thou protests too much.

Consider this. You believe you're both right and have made your points. {Actually, I think you have pointed out some very good ones.} If we dumb schmucks can't see what's obvious to you, pity us and let it go. Throwing the same stuff at us repetitively obviously isn't going to make a difference. Know the saying of "Never argue with a fool, cause then people can't tell the difference." So, ummm, maybe it would be a good idea to just let us fools be. Knowhutimen?
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My only question is why should he have to be muzzled because of his opinion and be forced to listen to yours?
It's a forum. It's about debate. Once again, I will be the broken record and point out that there are too many people here who get caught up in having to be right.
 
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sjt18 said:
Take that post in context please.

I was responding to someone who VERY stupidly posted what "they" thought I might say... and lied while doing it. They took a completely unnecessary and gratuitous shot at me.

I have never said that Jones would not succeed. I have said that they underperformed the talent of last year's roster and that the coaching looked poor at times last year. I have very SPECIFICALLY said that I hoped it was all part of a process that would lead to success. But right now, it is the only results we have to evaluate... and for me they look WAY too much like Dooley results. That includes things that the current staff had complete control over like playcalling, adjustments, and player corrections.
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TIL: satire is lying. Somebody better tell Steven Colbert so he can switch his job description from "comedian" to PROFESSIONAL LIAR."
 
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sjt18 said:
Take that post in context please.

I was responding to someone who VERY stupidly posted what "they" thought I might say... and lied while doing it. They took a completely unnecessary and gratuitous shot at me.

I have never said that Jones would not succeed. I have said that they underperformed the talent of last year's roster and that the coaching looked poor at times last year. I have very SPECIFICALLY said that I hoped it was all part of a process that would lead to success. But right now, it is the only results we have to evaluate... and for me they look WAY too much like Dooley results. That includes things that the current staff had complete control over like playcalling, adjustments, and player corrections.
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Just having a little fun with your post SJT. You will probably have plenty of fodder to lambast Coach Jones this fall as rebuilding continues. On the other hand, we might see some very good football interspersed with the freshmen mistakes.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
My only question is why should he have to be muzzled because of his opinion and be forced to listen to yours?
It's a forum. It's about debate. Once again, I will be the broken record and point out that there are too many people here who get caught up in having to be right.
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Ok. Um. . . Perhaps there's more than one question. We must remember that art is art. Well, on the other hand water is water isn't it? And east is east and west is west. And if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now uh...now you tell me what you know.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Ok. Um. . . Perhaps there's more than one question. We must remember that art is art. Well, on the other hand water is water isn't it? And east is east and west is west. And if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now uh...now you tell me what you know.
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In the words of a great prophet whose name escapes me...
WTF?
 
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I always picture Woodsman as the burnt out hippy sitting in the middle of the woods dropping acid with his free love cult.
Kind of like Charlie Manson without all the killing and stuff.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
I always picture Woodsman as the burnt out hippy sitting in the middle of the woods dropping acid with his free love cult.
Kind of like Charlie Manson without all the killing and stuff.
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That reminds me of a story that's so dirty, I'm ashamed to think of it myself. :)
 
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sjt18 said:
I really do hate to start this... but I read the entire transcript and saw WAY more "we're young" talk... (aka we can't be any good because we're young). Maybe it sounded different but it read like excuse making before excuses were needed... like 6 months before they were needed.

Dooley took heat and probably rightly so for saying that his team "wasn't very good" at that point. Jones did almost the same thing when he said, " We are not anywhere close to where we need to be in relative to being an elite program." It might be a true statement... but what is the value in saying it?
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If you don't like someone to tell the truth then your helpless. If you need a sunshine pumper to tell you that we will go undefeated and we have the best team in America, then listen to James Franklin talk (according to him, Penn State can walk on water and they are bowl elgible next year).
 
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Dude sjt you must have read selectively... after reading the entire transcript, I don't know how you can construe anything he said as making an excuse. If anything, he implied the team was at the tipping point of transitioning into the type of squad he wants (see the "transcending mindset of the entire football team" bit).

He also stated several times that they are way ahead of where they were last year. If he were trying to temper expectations, I dont think he did a very good job.
 
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joevol33 said:
I like Butch more and more
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His excuses are working well.

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#124
#124
The difference is a w which is all that matters....I also didn't see orange pants, an orange dog, comparisons to nazis, or conversations about shower discipline
 
#125
#125
WoodsmanVol said:
Me thinkst thou protests too much.

Consider this. You believe you're both right and have made your points. {Actually, I think you have pointed out some very good ones.} If we dumb schmucks can't see what's obvious to you, pity us and let it go. Throwing the same stuff at us repetitively obviously isn't going to make a difference. Know the saying of "Never argue with a fool, cause then people can't tell the difference." So, ummm, maybe it would be a good idea to just let us fools be. Knowhutimen?
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Consider this. Take a mirror, hold it in front of your face, and read these exact words to yourself.

We are having a debate/argument. If you didn't hold a strong opinion... you wouldn't be arguing. You can come across as condescending too...

I GUARANTEE that if the rose colored cologne folks will stop "throwing the same stuff at" me then I won't respond with the same stuff. Deal? Oh, and if you don't believe that Jones has proven he's the right guy for UT then don't nitpick someone who also doesn't believe he's proven he's the right guy for UT, K?

I would MUCH rather start talking about hope and the future. Last year is done. It wasn't good. If Jones improves then it will be seen by everyone as no more than a building block... a season that came up short but an investment for the future. If he doesn't then it will be seen as the first warning. Either way... it is over.

BTW, what do you think of the first practice reports? Seems to sound pretty positive, agree?
 
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