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#126
Other_Guy said:
Oklahoma, possible bad QB play and a brand new OL would like to differ.
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If he cannot get good QB play out of one of those 4 guys and cannot get an OL ready to play in two years... he's definitely not the right coach. Sorry.
 
#127
#127
Other_Guy said:
Georgia will be fine. SCjr will be lucky to win 8 gamrs.
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South Carolina- I heard 2 years ago that they would never win 11 games again. Then I heard a year ago that they would never win 11 games again. Then I hear you say they won't win 8 next year. Sorry my friend, I think they will win 8+.
33 wins with 3 bowl wins included in 3 years. Ain't bad and they have Head Ball Coach
 
#128
#128
Wylo said:
How many of those junior championships did he win outright? how many times did he own the tiebreaker and get the big bowl? how many times did he go undefeated?

Not many or zero are the answers. If he can't blow away those crappy conferences, how do you expect him to battle for titles at UT?
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OK.
 
#129
#129
YorkVol said:
No excuses. Plus, I think he kept some key players out to preserve them for '14 and give himself a core to build around.
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I have thought about that and hope it is true.

you lost me with the MAC/BE comment. You succeed at whatever level you compete and you are being successful. His past successes weren't a fluke. He needs to replicate it next year, certainly, but you can't discount it.
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The teams he beat at Cincy combined for a 40% win rate. This year he played 8 bowl teams. That's not because it was a tougher than normal schedule though. In the previous 4 years, UT played 9, 8, 8, and 7 bowl teams in that order. Dooley faced 4 of the last 6 NC game participants.

You can discount it simply because the competition level is that much greater. Who currently coaching in the SEC would not be one of the best coaches in the American conference... even out of those who won't survive? You don't face bad coaches in the SEC... and if you do... you don't face them for more than a couple or three years.

His success was good for the competition he faced. He's gone from Little League to the Major Leagues in one big step.... everyone does. The SEC is a coach meat grinder.
 
#130
#130
Wylo said:
keep dreaming.. USCe will win 7-8 games, easily. Spurrier will not use that as an excuse like many of you do.

He will have a qb ready and a gameplan to contend.
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No Shaw and they draw A&M and Auburn (altho I think A&M would suck without Manziel). 8 wins is tops.
 
#132
#132
Doyle Hargraves said:
For me it is make it to a bowl.
No doubt, the schedule is tough but if this staff is worth a damn, they can get six wins next year.
Do you disagree?
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I want us to go to a bowl game as bad as anyone. But I cannot start to put Butch on a hot seat if he goes 5-7 again. We didn't get this bad in 2-3 years. Now I would consider him to be on the hot seat if he doesn't go at least 6-6 in 2015.
 
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#134
sjt18 said:
I have thought about that and hope it is true.



The teams he beat at Cincy combined for a 40% win rate. This year he played 8 bowl teams. That's not because it was a tougher than normal schedule though. In the previous 4 years, UT played 9, 8, 8, and 7 bowl teams in that order. Dooley faced 4 of the last 6 NC game participants.

You can discount it simply because the competition level is that much greater. Who currently coaching in the SEC would not be one of the best coaches in the American conference... even out of those who won't survive? You don't face bad coaches in the SEC... and if you do... you don't face them for more than a couple or three years.

His success was good for the competition he faced. He's gone from Little League to the Major Leagues in one big step.... everyone does. The SEC is a coach meat grinder.
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This year was the first time in 20 years that a team has played 7 ranked opponents in 8 games. 5 of those were top 10 teams. Keep on trying to belittle that fact. It just makes your arguments even weaker.
 
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Wylo said:
Tennessee had to pillow fight Colorado and Purdue for CBJ...

I think we will be okay unless another mediocre university wants to drive up the price.
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Good point.

Given the track record of UT, they will give Jones a raise and extension if that happens, 5-7 records be damned.
 
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#140
Wylo said:
keep dreaming.. USCe will win 7-8 games, easily. Spurrier will not use that as an excuse like many of you do.

He will have a qb ready and a gameplan to contend.
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Dylan Thompson is a much better passer than Shaw.

Spurrier will get back into his comfort zone with him taking the snaps.

There is also some guy down there named Mike Davis who may contend for the Heisman next season.

USC isn't going anywhere.

It's gonna be up to Jones to catch up to Spurrier and it sucks that Vol fans are reduced to hoping they come back to us.
 
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sjt18 said:
No it doesn't. That's inconsistency. You make that a rule... and he's never better than a .500 coach. Wins don't cancel out losses and even if it did... he still lost to a terrible UF team, was blown out 4 times, and almost lost to USA.
Based on recruiting sites... right? The same one's who called McNeil, Coleman, J Smith, McCullers, Miller, Walls, 4 of 5 OL's, Neal, Lane, Croom, Bowles, etc blue chip prospects? You know... the guys who folks here say have no talent now.
So a coach should make decisions based on public opinion? That'll work well.....


No. He has NOT done what we "could" expect. He has done significantly less than what we "could" expect and less than what we should have been able to reasonably expect.
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Inconsistentcy with a bad team? You think?

UF was not a terrible team when we lost to them.

I never said anything about going with public opinion. I am merely stating people dog him for pulling Worley when 99% of Volnation wanted it.

And you have yet to answer my question. How in the world has he done less than what we expected? What has he not done to make you happy with what he has in such little time? Should we have expected him to go 7-5?
 
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#146
It baffles me people expected Jones not to get blown out by 4 of the top teams in America when those teams are even blowing out ranked teams.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
You forget that since Vandy has beaten us two in a row, these people think that means Vandy is an elite team.
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Vanderbilt sucks.... beat bad to average teams, get blown out by good teams. Nobody thinks those pukes are elite anything.
 
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