Charlie Strong

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Vol Karma said:
I asked a UF fan what he thought of Strong -

He said:

I would prefer Tennessee hire Gruden over Strong. Also note that I am a Florida fan and I am terrified of what Strong can do at a potential powerhouse program.
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I have already read the FL forums. They are not regretting passing over Strong twice. They passed on him for the same reasons brought up already in this thread. If Muschamp left tomorrow, they would not be united in favor of a CS hire. Why should we be?

Is there some CS audio out there of a locker room speech? Is he a motivator? Can any of you CS folks come out with any specifics on what Charlie Strong can do here?
 
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Vol Karma said:
I asked a UF fan what he thought of Strong -

He said:

I would prefer Tennessee hire Gruden over Strong. Also note that I am a Florida fan and I am terrified of what Strong can do at a potential powerhouse program.
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I would love Charlie Strong here. Our defense would upgrade instantly. We should keep our offensive staff tho. (him and Hinshaw would kill Florida)

BurnieVeazey said:
I have already read the FL forums. They are not regretting passing over Strong twice. They passed on him for the same reasons brought up already in this thread. If Muschamp left tomorrow, they would not be united in favor of a CS hire. Why should we be?

Is there some CS audio out there of a locker room speech? Is he a motivator? Can any of you CS folks come out with any specifics on what Charlie Strong can do here?
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So a Florida fan a won't admit jealousy when we end up with a great coach? Hmm, that's weird. Is he sick?
 
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VolCrash33 said:
So what exactly are our penalties?
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It's not the current penalties that necessarily scare anybody; it's knowing that you have to be on your best behavior and start a coaching job under a cloud for at least the next 3 years that aren't attractive. Even minor violations can trigger trouble when you're already on probation.

BigOrangeCrush32 said:
You do realize that Fisher is 2-1 against Fla....his loss at NC State was bad but they converted 5......yes 5 4th downs n the 4th quarter to win that game....Fisher would be a great hire....
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You do realize that it took UF's 2 worst teams in 30 years for him to get those 2 wins, and that FSU had lost 6 in a row prior to that, including 3 with him as OC since 2007, by scores of 45-12, 45-15, and 37-10, right?

I mean, JimBob isn't as bad as Dooley; but he coaches a program in the most talent-rich state in the country, and going into this year still hadn't had fewer than 4 losses a season while competing in the lamest conference in the nation.

Muschamp bent him over in just his second season with a UF OC in his first.

JimBob would be a hire, but I'm not sure "great" is the proper adjective.
 
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jim43 said:
Charlie Strong has given no reason to be on a coaching list, especially at UT.

If he cannot wear out the Big East, how can he even think about competing in the SEC?
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Better prospect than Fedora.
 
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BurnieVeazey said:
I have already read the FL forums. They are not regretting passing over Strong twice. They passed on him for the same reasons brought up already in this thread. If Muschamp left tomorrow, they would not be united in favor of a CS hire. Why should we be?

Is there some CS audio out there of a locker room speech? Is he a motivator? Can any of you CS folks come out with any specifics on what Charlie Strong can do here?
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That's probably impossible, but you can judge what he's done at UL and project what it might be like with SEC recruiting.

And there's not going to be a consensus for new coach with any fan base, including UF's. But a lot of fans did and still would approve of a CS hire; even moreso now because he's proved he can run a program the last 3 years... he's taking his team to a BCS bowl 3 years after taking over the program.

But as for why Vols might be more willing than Gators to take a shot on Strong, it's clear the 2 programs are hardly in the same boat... maybe UF could be more picky at this point in time.

But look who we hired the last 2 times. We hired Meyer from Utah as an up-and-comer, not knowing if his offense could even succeed in the SEC; and all he did was win 2 NC's, 3 division titles, 3 BCS bowls, go 5-1 in all bowls, have three 13-1 seasons, and go 65-15 (.813) in 6 years.

And the Muschamp hire is another up-and-comer hire of a coach with no HC experience at all; and in his 2nd season he's got UF 11-1 and headed to a BCS bowl.

So, I guess the real question is, if up-and-comer hires are good enough for UF, why not UT? Do you guys have an aversion to 1-loss seasons and BCS bowl appearances?
 
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ericberry4heisman said:
Honestly hope it's not Strong.
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I'd rather get Patterson, but beyond that, Strong would be one I could immediately get behind. Depending on staff hires, I think he could impact recruiting as well as anyone else on the board. Sumlin would not have been a consensus last time around, either, but he certainly was more qualified than Dooley.
 
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G8R8U2 said:
That's probably impossible, but you can judge what he's done at UL and project what it might be like with SEC recruiting.

And there's not going to be a consensus for new coach with any fan base, including UF's. But a lot of fans did and still would approve of a CS hire; even moreso now because he's proved he can run a program the last 3 years... he's taking his team to a BCS bowl 3 years after taking over the program.

But as for why Vols might be more willing than Gators to take a shot on Strong, it's clear the 2 programs are hardly in the same boat... maybe UF could be more picky at this point in time.

But look who we hired the last 2 times. We hired Meyer from Utah as an up-and-comer, not knowing if his offense could even succeed in the SEC; and all he did was win 2 NC's, 3 division titles, 3 BCS bowls, go 5-1 in all bowls, have three 13-1 seasons, and go 65-15 (.813) in 6 years.

And the Muschamp hire is another up-and-comer hire of a coach with no HC experience at all; and in his 2nd season he's got UF 11-1 and headed to a BCS bowl.

So, I guess the real question is, if up-and-comer hires are good enough for UF, why not UT? Do you guys have an aversion to 1-loss seasons and BCS bowl appearances?
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Yes! Because it's not 12-0 and NC appearances. Anything less is mediocre and UT is not mediocre!
 
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G8R8U2 said:
2nd season he's got UF 11-1 and headed to a BCS bowl.

So, I guess the real question is, if up-and-comer hires are good enough for UF, why not UT? Do you guys have an aversion to 1-loss seasons and BCS bowl appearances?
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If you had our history with up and comers, you would understand. Until you do, take a hike.:salute:
 
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daniel3417 said:
What's the hype around Charlie Strong?:

21 years of SEC experience.

Defensive success everywhere.

Passion for coaching.

Resurrected a Louisville program that went 15-21 in previous three years before his arrival (Dooley's record at Tennessee was 15-21)

Taking Louisville to its third-straight bowl game for the first time since Bobby Petrino.

Inherited a 4-8 team and took them to 10-2 in three years.

Taking Louisville to its second-ever BCS bowl (pending Cincy win over UConn, highly likely).

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If you want a "big name", fine. Who are "big names" outside of Gruden and Patterson? It doesn't look like any celebrities are looking towards Knoxville. But if you ask "what's the deal with Strong?", just read above.
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This. Especially the last paragraph.
 
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G8R8U2 said:
It's not the current penalties that necessarily scare anybody; it's knowing that you have to be on your best behavior and start a coaching job under a cloud for at least the next 3 years that aren't attractive. Even minor violations can trigger trouble when you're already on probation.



You do realize that it took UF's 2 worst teams in 30 years for him to get those 2 wins, and that FSU had lost 6 in a row prior to that, including 3 with him as OC since 2007, by scores of 45-12, 45-15, and 37-10, right?

I mean, JimBob isn't as bad as Dooley; but he coaches a program in the most talent-rich state in the country, and going into this year still hadn't had fewer than 4 losses a season while competing in the lamest conference in the nation.

Muschamp bent him over in just his second season with a UF OC in his first.

JimBob would be a hire, but I'm not sure "great" is the proper adjective.
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You do realize that Dooley couldnt beat Fla with their 2 worst teams in 30 yrs...and Fisher did...what he did as offensive co doesnt matter, I can play that game...as the OC at LSU in 2001 he won the National Championship....see that was easy....he only has 2 losses this yr and is continually in the top 5-10 recruiting....athough the ACC is bad....They are still better than the Big East...
 
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enough with the Charley Strong BCS crap....if it wasnt for the conference tie in he wouldn't be sniffing a BCS bowl game....there are 2 MAC teams ahead of him in the top 25 rankings....if I am not mistaken he has only 1 or 2 wins this yr against a team with a winning record....
 
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BigOrangeCrush32 said:
enough with the Charley Strong BCS crap....if it wasnt for the conference tie in he wouldn't be sniffing a BCS bowl game....there are 2 MAC teams ahead of him in the top 25 rankings....if I am not mistaken he has only 1 or 2 wins this yr against a team with a winning record....
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See Daniels post please.
 
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Hubbs is reporting that Dave Hart did interview Charlie Strong today.

I call this....a smokescreen. Even if he did interview him. The magnitude of this hire is bigger than Charlie Strong.

But...if it's true and if he becomes our coach, I'm okay with that. I think if he kept Chaney, and paid attention to the defense, we'd have a legit football team.
 
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I'm sure there are posts about this scattered so if this is merged that is fine. I am just curious why a majority of people don't want strong


Because he doesn't have experience as an SEC HC?

-No experienced HC from the SEC is taking this job

I realize many of us want the home run hire. Stoops is not coming here. No chance in hell. Not even a consideration.

If not Strong who do you guys want and why not Charlie Strong


Thanks!
 
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CaliVolFan_17 said:
I'm sure there are posts about this scattered so if this is merged that is fine. I am just curious why a majority of people don't want strong


Because he doesn't have experience as an SEC HC?

-No experienced HC from the SEC is taking this job

I realize many of us want the home run hire. Stoops is not coming here. No chance in hell. Not even a consideration.

If not Strong who do you guys want and why not Charlie Strong


Thanks!
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I think Strong would bring in the most high profile recruits over any names being tossed around between now and NSD. I wouldn't be as opposed to him coming as I would some of the others being mentioned.
 
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CaliVolFan_17 said:
I'm sure there are posts about this scattered so if this is merged that is fine. I am just curious why a majority of people don't want strong


Because he doesn't have experience as an SEC HC?

-No experienced HC from the SEC is taking this job

I realize many of us want the home run hire. Stoops is not coming here. No chance in hell. Not even a consideration.

If not Strong who do you guys want and why not Charlie Strong


Thanks!
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I wouldn't be opposed to Strong, but he isn't proven enough to "save us during our darkest hour" kinda thing. He's had 1 good season at Louisville. Name a signature win his program has achieved.
 
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That's who it's looking like right now. I won't be disappointed but with him it feels like we're "settling". Call David Shaw, Gary Patterson, and Chris Petersen to gauge interest before putting full court press on Strong.
 
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CaliVolFan_17 said:
I'm sure there are posts about this scattered so if this is merged that is fine. I am just curious why a majority of people don't want strong


Because he doesn't have experience as an SEC HC?

-No experienced HC from the SEC is taking this job

I realize many of us want the home run hire. Stoops is not coming here. No chance in hell. Not even a consideration.

If not Strong who do you guys want and why not Charlie Strong


Thanks!
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2012: 10 - 2 (against a WVU-less Big East)
2011: 7 - 6
2010: 7 - 6

No thank you, that is not the type of track record I expect of a coach hired by the University of Tennessee.
 
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Vol_til_I_die said:
I think Strong would bring in the most high profile recruits over any names being tossed around between now and NSD. I wouldn't be as opposed to him coming as I would some of the others being mentioned.
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I am a big supporter of Strong as a HC but with a good OC. He will definitely bring a boost to recruiting as you said, but we need a better OC if Strong is the choice. I do like Strong a lot though. Thanks for your response
 
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