Charlie Strong

I haven't researched it, but I think it would be a pretty safe bet that Alabama schedules are tremendously tougher than Big Least schedules....

I think it is also a safe bet that a big east team is never going to be able to recruit SEC level talent from to to bottom so it is all relative.
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The Strong supporters are doing their best to deflect any criticism off of him.....if u question his recruiting at UL they respond with " we'll it's bc kids don't want to play at UL" or "top50 recruiting class at UL is awesome"...that is why it's called RECRUITING, you are suppose to sell them on the program....if he can't sell kids to come to winning team in the Big East, how can you expect him to sell kids to come to a TN team that has been struggling in the SEC?....if u bring up the conference he plays in or the PATHETIC schedule he had this yr, they respond with "he can't help what teams he plays" or "he beat those in front of him" ....his opponents record are something to the effect of 57-82 this yr...he only played 4teams with a winning record....so we really don't know how good he can coach

Very well said.
 
I haven't researched it, but I think it would be a pretty safe bet that Alabama schedules are tremendously tougher than Big Least schedules....

Compared to Alabama playing in the Big East yes because they are a SEC team. Louisville (being a Big East team) no they are equal with just about every Big East team.

Like I said before, You would have dogged Kevin Sumlin because his team was winning in the CUSA.
 
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I think it is also a safe bet that a big east team is never going to be able to recruit SEC level talent from to to bottom so it is all relative.
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Thank you for explaining that to the moron that say Charlie Strong can recruit.
 
Compared to Alabama playing in the Big East yes because they are a SEC team. Louisville (being a Big East team) no they are equal with just about every Big East team.

Like I said before, You would have dogged Kevin Sumlin because his team was winning in the CUSA.

How many teams has Strong beaten with a winning record?
Honest question.
 
24 - 15 record over 3 years in a very weak Big East. That record doesn't make me feel like he is right guy for UT and the SEC.

He also took over for a coach that went 15-21 overall and 4-8 in his last year leaving Strong a rebuilding project which he has and gone 10-2 this year.
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Louisville recruiting since Petrino, per Rivals

Strong
13-73
12-42
11-29
10-48 48

Kragthorpe
09-76
08-55
07-41 57.3

Petrino
06-34
05-45
04-108 (ouch!)
03-35 55.5

Strong averages a whopping 7 spots better than Petrino. With Clint Hurtt's Miami guys! If you take out the supreme outliers since each Lville coach has a random terrible recruiting year, the averages are:

Strong 40
Kragthorpe 48
Petrino 38

Now the assumptions are Petrino doesnt give a darn about recruiting, Strong is an excellent recruiter, and Kragthorpe was terrible. With those assumptions I would expect to see a much wider disparity between the 3 coaches. But the data does not bear that out.

With such limited data, it is hard to value recruiting, but you would think Petrino was helped by actually winning, and it has been suggested he benefitted from "low admission standards". If a winning football team is the answer, I would think Strong would be having his best recruiting year this year, not his worst.

In summation, it is murky business measuring Strong's recruiting prowess, and that has been and will be a major hangup for the anti Strongs (A.S.S.es?). The questions about Strong put him at odds with the fanbase from day one, add in Gruden fever, and he is going to have to work that much harder to produce a 8-9 win season in the next two years. Can he keep Bray and Hunter? That might be telling since if he is a great recruiter, he will be able to keep them imo.

He is too risky.
 
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Strong would be a beast in the SEC unless he does not get hired
THEN the next guy up WILL BE A BEAST IN THE SEC unless that
person does not get hired THEN the next guy will be the perfect fit.

Get Strong and be done with it so he can get on the recruiting trail
and we dont lose this class. He really would be a good fit.
Most of his career has been in the South Eastern Conference so he
does know the south east very well.
 
Well since we are Down playing Strong lets Down play Petrino while we are at it!!!

When Petrino was there, He dominated a weak conference CUSA. He went to the Big Least and dominated that too just like Charlie Strong. Well I guess he is just too risky.

Also Petrino went 3-10 for the Atlanta Falcons.
 
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I'm no expert but this is what I see and like about Strong. His kids play hard for him. He has a QB with a broken wrist and bad knee going all out for his team and coach. He wouldn't put up with some of the lack of team play and drama we have seen from the teams we have had over the last 10 years. The same QB was a top notch prospect that could have played about anywhere he wanted and as I remember many UT fans wanted him here but he followed Strong to UofL.
 
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Louisville recruiting since Petrino, per Rivals

Strong
13-73
12-42
11-29
10-48 48

Kragthorpe
09-76
08-55
07-41 57.3

Petrino
06-34
05-45
04-108 (ouch!)
03-35 55.5

Strong averages a whopping 7 spots better than Petrino. With Clint Hurtt's Miami guys! If you take out the supreme outliers since each Lville coach has a random terrible recruiting year, the averages are:

Strong 40
Kragthorpe 48
Petrino 38

Now the assumptions are Petrino doesnt give a darn about recruiting, Strong is an excellent recruiter, and Kragthorpe was terrible. With those assumptions I would expect to see a much wider disparity between the 3 coaches. But the data does not bear that out.

With such limited data, it is hard to value recruiting, but you would think Petrino was helped by actually winning, and it has been suggested he benefitted from "low admission standards". If a winning football team is the answer, I would think Strong would be having his best recruiting year this year, not his worst.

In summation, it is murky business measuring Strong's recruiting prowess, and that has been and will be a major hangup for the anti Strongs (A.S.S.es?). The questions about Strong put him at odds with the fanbase from day one, add in Gruden fever, and he is going to have to work that much harder to produce a 8-9 win season in the next two years. Can he keep Bray and Hunter? That might be telling since if he is a great recruiter, he will be able to keep them imo.

He is too risky.

with them all being pretty close when does
it becomes the school there trying to recruit at?
 
Well since we are Down playing Strong lets Down play Petrino while we are at it!!!

When Petrino was there, He dominated a weak conference CUSA. He went to the Big Least and dominated that too just like Charlie Strong. Well I guess he is just too risky.

Also Petrino went 3-10 for the Atlanta Falcons.

+1
 
Well since we are Down playing Strong lets Down play Petrino while we are at it!!!

When Petrino was there, He dominated a weak conference CUSA. He went to the Big Least and dominated that too just like Charlie Strong. Well I guess he is just too risky.
Yes Petrino has a lot of baggage and risk. I am a pay the best you can find 6 million bucks kind of guy. I think you would get a higher grade coach with substantially less risk that way.

In the 2010 year, the top teams in the SEC made 15-22 million more than TN. A winning football team more than makes up for a few million more in HC salary.
 
with them all being pretty close when does
it becomes the school there trying to recruit at?
That is why I brought up Virginia, they were the only team that stood out as not belonging there when I looked at Top 25 recruiting rankings. They averaged above 40 in class ranking before London and 22 after. That is a significant jump, and not matched by a fall in rival Tech's classes.

I have not heard London being mentioned and for the love we do not need another name thrown in the mix do not misunderstand me. My only point is you need to spend the money to bring in a guy the fanbase can get behind, and you see with all the strife and vitriol in this thread, Strong is probably not a guy the fanbase can get behind without winning immediately. He will get eaten alive by the post Gruden/Dooley fanbase because we expect more.
 
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That is why I brought up Virginia, they were the only team that stood out as not belonging there when I looked at Top 25 recruiting rankings. They averaged above 40 in class ranking before London and 22 after. That is a significant jump, and not matched by a fall in rival Tech's classes.

I have not heard London being mentioned and for the love we do not need another name thrown in the mix do not misunderstand me. My only point is you need to spend the money to bring in a guy the fanbase can get behind, and you see with all the strife and vitriol in this thread, Strong is probably not a guy the fanbase can get behind without winning immediately. He will get eaten alive by the post Gruden/Dooley fanbase because we expect more.

He has won every poll. The fanbase will be fine with the hire.
 
I would be willing to bet 90% of Strong haters have not watched a UL game ever. Simply don't want him because his name isn't Gruden, and they don't know anything about him. The man's piers and analyst all agree he will be very succesful, but Bill in Sevierville hasn't seen him so he won''t.
 
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I would be willing to bet 90% of Strong haters have not watched a UL game ever. Simply don't want him because his name isn't Gruden, and they don't know anything about him. The man's piers and analyst all agree he will be very succesful, but Bill in Sevierville hasn't seen him so he won''t.

He should have punted on 4th down Thursday night. Wasted a timeout prior to that....Yeah, we're watchin'

...but I don't "hate" him...he just isn't ready.
 
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I would be willing to bet 90% of Strong haters have not watched a UL game ever. Simply don't want him because his name isn't Gruden, and they don't know anything about him. The man's piers and analyst all agree he will be very succesful, but Bill in Sevierville hasn't seen him so he won''t.

His peer at Syracuse thought he sucked.
 
If my choices are Fisher or Strong, I want Strong. I think Strong would recruit very well and have a very good defensive brand of football. I would like to know what kind of staff he would assemble though. I wouldnt want the Louisville staff, with exception of maybe 1 or 2. Strong with Tee and Jay Graham, while keeping Pittman and possibly Chaney?...I would be all in.
 
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I wonder if we could hire Charlie Strong as HC and bring in the recently fired Ellis Johnson as Defensive Coordinator? Two very successful SEC defensive coaches putting together a powerhouse defense. That alone should draw in some recruits! Honestly I'd say leave Chaney at OC for continuity (if he can work with Strong).

Two major things this Tennessee team lacked this year: a strong motivator and someone who knew how to call a defense. The offense had some ups and downs, but they put up a ton of points and some great numbers. I think if Tennessee had played even good defense, not great, just I good I think they would have won a couple more games. I think Strong could at least get UT's defense to good, but very good is more realistic. It may be boring, but I'll take an old fashioned low scoring defensive struggle over some of the shootouts we saw this season!
 

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