Charlie Strong

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BurnieVeazey said:
I think you are mixing up two different posters. The goal is to win the SEC and put yourself in a likely position to go to the NC game. Which of the following lists would you rather choose a coach from if you had the choice?

1
Urban Meyer
Nick Saban
Brian Kelly
Rich Rodriguez
Jim Tressel
Mack Brown
Brady Hoke
Jim Donnan
Mike Price
Pete Carroll
Dennis Franchione

2
Charlie Strong
Al Golden
Derek Dooley
Gene Chizik
Lane Kiffin
Bill Callahan
Tyrone Willingham
Tommy Tuberville
Gerry DiNardo
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Any particular reason why Strong is in the second group? Is there any rhyme or reason to your groupings whatsoever?
 
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RoaminVol said:
Um when you fire a coach you wont be think about winning the conference the next year my friend. We need a guy like Kevin Sumlin that wins in the SEC his first year then we can worry about winning championships the next.
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Your reading comprehension is very poor... who said anything about next year? GOAL is the key word. The GOAL is to turn this team around and compete for the SEC, at some time within 3 years.

You still didnt pick a coaching list.
 
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BurnieVeazey said:
I think you are mixing up two different posters. The goal is to win the SEC and put yourself in a likely position to go to the NC game. Which of the following lists would you rather choose a coach from if you had the choice?

1
Urban Meyer
Nick Saban
Brian Kelly
Rich Rodriguez
Jim Tressel
Mack Brown
Brady Hoke
Jim Donnan
Mike Price
Pete Carroll
Dennis Franchione

2
Charlie Strong
Al Golden
Derek Dooley
Gene Chizik
Lane Kiffin
Bill Callahan
Tyrone Willingham
Tommy Tuberville
Gerry DiNardo
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Where did list 1 get their start?
 
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BurnieVeazey said:
I think you are mixing up two different posters. The goal is to win the SEC and put yourself in a likely position to go to the NC game. Which of the following lists would you rather choose a coach from if you had the choice?

1
Urban Meyer
Nick Saban
Brian Kelly
Rich Rodriguez
Jim Tressel
Mack Brown
Brady Hoke
Jim Donnan
Mike Price
Pete Carroll
Dennis Franchione

2
Charlie Strong
Al Golden
Derek Dooley
Gene Chizik
Lane Kiffin
Bill Callahan
Tyrone Willingham
Tommy Tuberville
Gerry DiNardo
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This is probably the most ignorant post I have ever seen!
 
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BurnieVeazey said:
Your reading comprehension is very poor... who said anything about next year? GOAL is the key word. The GOAL is to turn this team around and compete for the SEC, at some time within 3 years.

You still didnt pick a coaching list.
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You posted the most ignorant thing I have ever seen you think that UT is on the level of Alabama, the Patriots, and Notre Dame.
 
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All the Jimbo Fisher fans need to watch as Georgia Tech might actually beat Florida State. If that happens, Louisville will win the Orange Bowl. Making Charlie Strong even more of a better candidate.
 
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UTRavens said:
Any particular reason why Strong is in the second group? Is there any rhyme or reason to your groupings whatsoever?
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Coaches who were hired at traditional top 15 programs in the BCS era are listed. The coaches in #1 previously won 9 games or more in at least 2 years on the pro or college levels.

Coaches in #2 did not before their hire. Coordinators directly to HC positions are not included (it is the #2 best category for indicating success).

If you look at the coaches of teams who have played for the national championship in the past 25 years, it is exceedingly rare to find a coach who did not win 9 games multiple times previously.

Im not a gambling man but Strong has more in common with Dooley and Kiffen and I certainly wouldnt bet on that.
 
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Well for Strong he does have some positives going his way if he cme here...

Knows the SEC....Has been with Ole Miss, South Carolina and more known as the DC during the 2000's at Florida. Will know what it'll take to compete with Georgia, Florida and Alabama along with South Carolina

Good recruiter in the South....well known and good make strides in Florida, LA and Georgia areas. Knows

Only 52 yrs old but has been around football for nearly 30yrs

Defensive Minded....Our glaring weakness for the last few years especially the last one. He helped send seven first-round draft picks at Florida, helped win two national championships and was twice a finalist for the Broyles Award (top assistant).The 2009 Gator squad ranked in the Top 5 in every defensive catergory.


Here's a pretty good read tha came out today on Strong and Tennesse looking at him.

Tennessee coaching candidate: Charlie Strong | Nooga.com
 
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RoaminVol said:
You posted the most ignorant thing I have ever seen you think that UT is on the level of Alabama, the Patriots, and Notre Dame.
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Lol. I should have figured you would not comprehend.

I guess it is ignorant to look at the backgrounds of successful and unsuccessful hirings at the highest college football levels in the past 15 years or so. Silly me,
 
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Here it is gentlemen....whether your a Strong Supporter or Strong Hater....everyone of us is just wanting what WE each INDIVIDUALLY think is the BEST for this program...if Strong is hired, I am against, and succeeds then we will ALL be happy and excited....if he fails, we ALL will be mad and disappointed....WHY? BECAUSE WE ALL LOVE THE UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE WITH EVERYTHING WE HAVE....GO VOLS
 
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RoaminVol said:
it isn't just me but 3 other people thought your post was ignorant. :lolabove:
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You must have crushed the ACT with those reading skills and now math skills:

"Any particular reason why Strong is in the second group? Is there any rhyme or reason to your groupings whatsoever?"

"Where did list 1 get their start?"

"This is probably the most ignorant post I have ever seen!"

That would be one person claiming ignorance

But back to topic, the traditional powers list and the last 25 years of national champions give you 3 categories of coaches:

1. Multiple 9 game winners
2. Top assistants who went directly to the team they coached to a NC
3. Coaches who did not win 9 games multiple times previously

#1 is 9 times more likely to win at the highest level, top assistants are 4 times more likely than #3.
 
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OakRidgeVol said:
Also keep in mind that Strong beat both Larry Fedora and Butch Jones this season. Not saying that is an awe inspiring statistic, but for those that think Fedora is a great choice or that his offense is amazing, keep that in mind. I like Fedora, don't get me wrong, but he's not better than Charlie Strong.
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Thank You I've been saying this same thing, he also beat Fedora hi first year too in their bowl game so Strong is 2-0 vs Fedora and he's managed his first 10 win season as a HC in a year less than it took Fedora and he did it in a better conference.

They both have a yealry average of 8-5 as HCs but Strong has done it against better competition. fedoras also had 5 years to get that average, strongs only had 3.
Finally we need a D minded coach. Fedoras "system" is basically what we experienced this past season. Build a high powered O that scores alot and just do enough on D to get a couple of stops. Well we all saw how that works in the SEC. Our next coach better make the D his first and primary focus. We need to build a team thats more worried about making sure the other team can't score rather than hoping that we can simply outscore the other team. We play in the sec not the big12 or acc. We need a rock solid D not a high powered O. To current recruits our rep is WRU with a gunslinger qb. that means we can get good wrs and qbs with almost any coach. But we need a D minded coach with a history of putting together solid Ds in the sec to get the good D players were gonna need to get back to the top of the SEC.

Strong is the guy we need, Fedora is gonna do here what he's done everywhere else, be mediocre most of the time and once every 5 or so seasons get us 9, 10 or even maybe 11 wins but never anything more than that. Just look at what Petrino did at Arky with his high powered O and ehh Ds
 
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BigOrangeCrush32 said:
Here it is gentlemen....whether your a Strong Supporter or Strong Hater....everyone of us is just wanting what WE each INDIVIDUALLY think is the BEST for this program...if Strong is hired, I am against, and succeeds then we will ALL be happy and excited....if he fails, we ALL will be mad and disappointed....WHY? BECAUSE WE ALL LOVE THE UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE WITH EVERYTHING WE HAVE....GO VOLS
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Indeed! Though I dont think anyone is a Strong hater, he just needs a better track record.
 
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BurnieVeazey said:
But back to topic, the traditional powers list and the last 25 years of national champions give you 3 categories of coaches:

1. Multiple 9 game winners
2. Top assistants who went directly to the team they coached to a NC
3. Coaches who did not win 9 games multiple times previously

#1 is 9 times more likely to win at the highest level, top assistants are 4 times more likely than #3.
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What does group #3 look like if you take out coaches who were hired despite not trending up. Strong has been improving Louisville. Dooley had not been improving Louisiana Tech. So what does it look like when you split the group that way?
 
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