Charlie Strong

[Vol67]

Jason Higdon, FoxSports/Scout.com Regional Recruiting Analyst:

No interview between UT and Strong yesterday or today. He has not spoken to UT yet. He says he spoke to Strong today.

Strong interviewed with UT last night(Friday) so Scout got it wrong.

 

[BruinVol]

Strong interviewed with UT last night(Friday) so Scout got it wrong.

The report claims strong denied any interview either day

 

[BurnieVeazey]

This post is just steeped in racism. Sickening.

Because I compared him to Willingham? That is ridiculous. Willingham's players "played hard for him" and "he can get better athletes at Notre Dame".

The Pro Strongs have said his players play hard for him and he can get better athletes at Tennessee. I do not see any statements about what Strong brings to the table over what Willingham brought to ND.

I would rather throw a boatload of money at Shaw. He's a smart guy, can recruit nationally, great coordinator, great with the media. Make him turn down $6 million.

 

[Incipient]

Strong supporters are hell bent on ignoring facts about his league and his record and defending the guy....Hope they enjoy him at UL for another year

Right. We're the ones ignoring facts. You know when he was playing in the Big East, he was doing it with a Big East team, right? You know that he outperformed expectations every season, right? You know that he's come out a winner more than half the time he went on the road as an underdog, right? You know he's beaten the conference champion two years in a row, right?

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Strong supporters are hell bent on ignoring facts about his league and his record and defending the guy....Hope they enjoy him at UL for another year

Strong detractors are hell bent on ignoring facts about his league and his record and attacking the guy...Hope you enjoy whatever it is you people enjoy. :hi:

 

[VOLout8]

The Tyrone and Strong comparison is one of the dumber things I have read today.

 

[SamRebel35]

Strong detractors are hell bent on ignoring facts about his league and his record and attacking the guy...Hope you enjoy whatever it is you people enjoy. :hi:

Just not convinced Strong is a homerun.

 

[Incipient]

Just not convinced Strong is a homerun.

That's a completely reasonable position. But I don't know if anyone is a homerun once we get past Gruden and Stoops. And Strong has done some things to make me think he could turn into one. Impressed me a lot more than the other guys on the list.

 

[Vol67]

Just not convinced Strong is a homerun.

Yeah he didn't do anything at UF nor at South Carolina and has done zero at Louisville. Louisville was a program that was worse off than UT is right now and he has breathed life back into it. But yeah he's done nothing so let's pass.

We can get NCAA probate Tressel, How about Butch Davis who has left 2 college program under a cloud or how about Petrino who has done just about everything wrong that can be done. or Jimbo Fisher who cannot win in the SEC.

Realistic choices are
Strong
Fedora
Grundy

 

[VOLorNuttin]

Wasting your time in here. Strong haters are hell bent on knocking the guy. Hope they enjoy watching him run through the T in the fall.

Yep. They were slamming him when Louisville was undefeated and ranked 16th.

Some people are lousy at hiding their racism.

 

[SamRebel35]

Yeah he didn't do anything at UF nor at South Carolina and has done zero at Louisville. Louisville was a program that was worse off than UT is right now and he has breathed life back into it. But yeah he's done nothing so let's pass.

We can get NCAA probate Tressel, How about Butch Davis who has left 2 college program under a cloud or how about Petrino who has done just about everything wrong that can be done. or Jimbo Fisher who cannot win in the SEC.

Realistic choices are
Strong
Fedora
Grundy

I don't know how you turned "not sure he is a homerun" into "he has never done anything, and he will suck forever". I think you were just looking for somebody to jump on, and you found me. Gongrats. Nothing you said has convinced me that Strong could come in and be competing with Saban in 3 years time.

 

[SamRebel35]

Yep. They were slamming him when Louisville was undefeated and ranked 16th.

Some people are lousy at hiding their racism.

For fudgin' real? How the hell are you getting racism from people thinking Strong is over hyped? Quit being ridiculous. You sound like Lawgator.

 

[msanford52]

Jason Higdon ‏@Jason_Higdon

I just spoke with Charlie Strong, there was NO interview with Tennessee today folks, zero. He is entertaining OV's in Louisville..


Jason Higdon ‏@Jason_Higdon

I also spoke to Charlie three times yesterday folks...He says there was no interview yesterday or today.....Not sure what else to say.

 

[BurnieVeazey]

Let's split group 2 down a little bit

Trending up at their previous stop:

Charlie Strong
Al Golden

Trending down or holding steady at their previous stop:

Derek Dooley
Gene Chizik
Lane Kiffin
Bill Callahan
Gerry DiNardo

Improving from prior coach, but not maintaining a steady upward trend:

Tommy Tuberville
Tyrone Willingham


List looks different now, doesn't it?

It is just a simple test to analyze the numbers. There are an enormous amount of extrinsic factors that go into success in college football. You do not automatically win football games if you pick a coach off list #1, there are some stinkers on there. The point is you are far more likely to have great success with a coach who has won 9 games twice previously or a coordinator who becomes your head coach than with a guy who has tried head coaching and not won at least 9 for two years.

Strong may be great, but he smacks to me of the flavor of the month. If you eliminate Fedora, Golden, Strong, Franklin with the 9 win test, and Tressell and Petrino with the Dave Hart Integrity test, you are left with a much more viable list of candidates.

 

[BigOrangeCrush32]

Yep. They were slamming him when Louisville was undefeated and ranked 16th.

Some people are lousy at hiding their racism.

I hope you are not referring to me as a Racist....for your education I started a thread IN SUPPORT FOR HIRING DAVID SHAW.....so you can take that sh!t elsewhere...and why is it that a white man can voice his opinion against a coach who is Black and its automatically racism?

 

[Incipient]

It is just a simple test to analyze the numbers. There are an enormous amount of extrinsic factors that go into success in college football. You do not automatically win football games if you pick a coach off list #1, there are some stinkers on there. The point is you are far more likely to have great success with a coach who has won 9 games twice previously or a coordinator who becomes your head coach than with a guy who has tried head coaching and not won at least 9 for two years.

Strong may be great, but he smacks to me of the flavor of the month. If you eliminate Fedora, Golden, Strong, Franklin with the 9 win test, and Tressell and Petrino with the Dave Hart Integrity test, you are left with a much more viable list of candidates.

You're also using the 9-win test to lump people into groups with those whose resumes are not remotely comparable. Going 1-11/5-7/10-2 or going 7-6/7-6/10-2 are a whole lot more promising than going 3-9/8-5/4-8. Upward trajectory is huge.

And when you split off the people in your second group that don't have upward trajectory, you've eliminated all the failures. In which case your test has no work to do.

 

[Vol67]

I don't know how you turned "not sure he is a homerun" into "he has never done anything, and he will suck forever". I think you were just looking for somebody to jump on, and you found me. Gongrats. Nothing you said has convinced me that Strong could come in and be competing with Saban in 3 years time.

I think he's in the same class as Sumlin, Saban is not untouchable but it'll take a little longer to get there, UT does not have SEC speed on defense plus things have to change with the administration or no coach will win at UT but I think he is the best option to get UT there and he is the best shot at saving this recruiting class which would set UT back even farther.

Strong gets you into The Carolina's, Georgia, Florida, and Alabama. He'll also connect with the Tennessee High School coaches quickly

 

[BurnieVeazey]

The Tyrone and Strong comparison is one of the dumber things I have read today.

Thanks for going into such detail about why you think so. Willingham won Pac 10 Coach of the Year twice; Strong supporters have pointed out he has already won it and may again.

There is no sure thing. If you have your guy you like, you have your guy. Fisher, Gundy, and Shaw have less risk imo.

 

[RoaminVol]

Yep. They were slamming him when Louisville was undefeated and ranked 16th.

Some people are lousy at hiding their racism.

They will slam him when he beats FSU in the Orange Bowl.

 

[SamRebel35]

I think he's in the same class as Sumlin, Saban is not untouchable but it'll take a little longer to get there, UT does not have SEC speed on defense plus things have to change with the administration or no coach will win at UT but I think he is the best option to get UT there and he is the best shot at saving this recruiting class which would set UT back even farther.

Strong gets you into The Carolina's, Georgia, Florida, and Alabama. He'll also connect with the Tennessee High School coaches quickly

Well, I'm still not sure he will be a Saban smasher, but I will agree that of all the options floating around, he is the top of the list for me. In terms of him doing the bolded, I will believe it when I see it. Hope we get him, and hope you are right. I'm just a tad skeptical, and it's not because I'm racist.

 

[24/7vol]

By some folks argument Meyer would have been a bad hire and Peterson would be too. Both coached in inferior leagues and didn't get top 10 recruiting classes.

 

[Incipient]

Thanks for going into such detail about why you think so. Willingham won Pac 10 Coach of the Year twice; Strong supporters have pointed out he has already won it and may again.

There is no sure thing. If you have your guy you like, you have your guy. Fisher, Gundy, and Shaw have less risk imo.

Gundy and Shaw I'm with you.

Fisher to me has just as much or more risk. All Fisher has proven is that he can recruit SEC talent to Florida State. Well awesome, that's not that hard. He's struggled to beat teams that are on his level talent-wise, and has lost to some teams that aren't. I fully expect he'd recruit well at Tennessee, but as a game coach, I'm very skeptical.

Strong is known as a good recruiter and would also recruit well at Tennessee. Possibly better than Fisher, but at least well enough to compete. As far as game-coaching, while he has had a couple bad losses, he's had fewer than Fisher, and he's had more overachieving wins. He's exceeded preseason expectations in all three years at Louisville, something Fisher has done exactly once in three years at FSU. So while they're both unproven to some degree, Strong has shown more ability to exceed expectations as a game coach.

 

[Vol67]

Thanks for going into such detail about why you think so. Willingham won Pac 10 Coach of the Year twice; Strong supporters have pointed out he has already won it and may again.

There is no sure thing. If you have your guy you like, you have your guy. Fisher, Gundy, and Shaw have less risk imo.

Willingham is a career wining percentage of .464 and the PAC 10 Big Whoop

 

[SamRebel35]

Gundy and Shaw I'm with you.

Fisher to me has just as much or more risk. All Fisher has proven is that he can recruit SEC talent to Florida State. Well awesome, that's not that hard. He's struggled to beat teams that are on his level talent-wise, and has lost to some teams that aren't. I fully expect he'd recruit well at Tennessee, but as a game coach, I'm very skeptical.

Strong is known as a good recruiter and would also recruit well at Tennessee. Possibly better than Fisher, but at least well enough to compete. As far as game-coaching, while he has had a couple bad losses, he's had fewer than Fisher, and he's had more overachieving wins. He's exceeded preseason expectations in all three years at Louisville, something Fisher has done exactly once in three years at FSU. So while they're both unproven to some degree, Strong has shown more ability to exceed expectations as a game coach.

Well said.

 

[DD4ME]

I think you are mixing up two different posters. The goal is to win the SEC and put yourself in a likely position to go to the NC game. Which of the following lists would you rather choose a coach from if you had the choice?

1
Urban Meyer
Nick Saban
Brian Kelly
Rich Rodriguez
Jim Tressel
Mack Brown
Brady Hoke
Jim Donnan
Mike Price
Pete Carroll
Dennis Franchione

2
Charlie Strong
Al Golden
Derek Dooley
Gene Chizik
Lane Kiffin
Bill Callahan
Tyrone Willingham
Tommy Tuberville
Gerry DiNardo

Who the hell wants Mack Brown right now? Did you see him get drubbed by Snyder tonight. Also who the hell wants Tressel who never could beat an SEC team?