Charlie Strong

[PYSCHO]

Oh really? Did u see his natl rank in recruiting since he's been HC? Maybe ur just delusional.

Why don't some of you posters keep to yourselves about national rankings of recruits. He has won more than us and our national recruit ranking has been good. Some of you need to quit lloking at stars and start looking at performance instead

 

[OakRidgeVol]

So wins and losses don't mean anything, huh? Awesome logic. You were a Dooley fan, weren't you?

When did I say that W/L doesn't mean anything. Straw man much?

I didn't like Dooley's hiring initially because he didn't have a winning record at LaTech. Yes W/L matters, of course it does. I thought Dooley was an intelligent, capable person and I thought he was a good representative for UT. What he lacked was the ability to get his teams motivated and clearly made a terrible choice for a DC (although with Sunseri's pedigree anyone could have made that mistake).

 

[Doolittle 1720]

Originally Posted by Volsfan4243 View Post
I think the 24th rated class last year if I am not mistaken. That's at Louisville. He was a great recruiter at UF and USC.

Under great HC's. Not so much on his own.
Now waiting on the excuses. But it was louisville,etc.

 

[slobberknocker]

Oh really? Did u see his natl rank in recruiting since he's been HC? Maybe ur just delusional.

I'm thinking recruiting to TN and playing in the SEC will lend itself to success as opposed to trying to sway recruits to Louisville. JMO.

 

[Dust10]

what in heaven's sake makes you think he can do this? Bc he has a 10-2 record against opponents who have a combined record of 57-81.....

The man can't control what his opponents do. It's a terrible conference, which by the way he had to recruit players to a terrible conference. Give him our resources and I guarantee we compete in the East.

 

[BigOrangeCrush32]

He's going to a BCS bowl in his third year at a basketball school. I'd say that's why, even though "why" doesn't matter, if they're coming. As long as they do.

The ignorance about Strong is ridiculous on this board.

Ignorance.....really....never a top 25 recruiting class at UL....and spare me the "its a BB school and no one wants to play there" crap...if he is such a stud recruiter he would land them there bc they are winning in a horrible Big East....but he doesnt...and we expect him to be able to convince kids to come to TN who is down and in the freakin SEC...smh

 

[OakRidgeVol]

Strong is NOT a big name coach. He has minimal HC exp at a low level school in a bad conf to boot. If we are talking about his exp as def coord or SEC exp then I challenge you to compare his history with that of john chavis. Cmon this is not for sure guy. He is risky at best. Not saying he cant succeed but dont tell me how he's better than all the rest. And as far as the race issue, thats just stupid. Do all the great black athletes that sign with bama, usc, oregon, etc. really care what color the coach is. Wake the f*** up and offer big money to a real difference maker or just pack it up and close shop.

I don't think many here are saying he's a homerun candidate. He's not better than Chavis as a defensive coach, but he does have HC experience which sets him above Chavis as a HC candidate. Whether you like his HC experience or not, it's hard to argue his resume as a DC in the SEC. If Chavis spent a couple years as a HC at Big East school and had success, I would endorse him for HC as much as Strong. You learn from your experiences as a HC, Nick Saban didn't start as a championship builder. The mark of a great coach is whether you learn from previous experiences and avoid the same mistakes. Strong is a risk, he's a huge risk, but we all know the SEC is a different animal than the rest of the country. I want a guy at UT that has been in the SEC fire as a coach and has risen to the occasion. Jimbo Fisher knows the SEC, Charlie Strong knows the SEC, etc. Guys like Butch Jones and Mike Gundy don't know the SEC.

 

[ACvol3]

Strong will end up at Auburn.....IMO

Best fit for him.....

I think so too..

 

[chumleypm]

He's not a big time coach, he might recruit well but a lot of assistants do also. I will support him if we hire him, but he will be in a bad situation. If we were to hire Jimbo or Davis, or even Tressel or Petrino, they would get the benefit of patience because they are proven as a head coach. I don't believe Strong will, 3 years head coaching experience, threw into a down program in the SEC, it could be overwhelming for him. Especially since his name recognition isn't as high as some, he will have to win quick. I also think Louisville will try to keep him, and I don't think we should overpay for him. But again, I will support him if this is the guy we get.

 

[DD4ME]

Originally Posted by Volsfan4243 View Post
I think the 24th rated class last year if I am not mistaken. That's at Louisville. He was a great recruiter at UF and USC.

Under great HC's. Not so much on his own.
Now waiting on the excuses. But it was louisville,etc.

There are knocks on Strong, valid ones. The big one is the recruiting ranking thus far. Hard to know how motivated kids have been to sign with him thinking he will leave. Also he lost to some not so great teams this year, excuses for those as well but still excuses.

What I do like about him though is he's a defensive coach. He's had DC jobs at 2 of our east rivals. Step 1 of crawling out of this hole we are in is beating SC again. He's coached under Spurrier and against him so that part he should have a good understanding how to do. His expertise relates to our greatest weakness and defense wins championships.

By all accounts players respect him but more importantly enjoy playing for him.

 

[BigOrangeCrush32]

Keep clinging to that argument. :good!:

ok I will bc it is a valid argument....you will put your blinders on to this and the fact that right now his recruiting rankings is 73rd....but you will make an excuse for him....

its fine...you want him and I do not....to each his own

 

[volzfanz]

Lets get real. TN is not geographically blessed when it comes to recruiting. Its not always warm and sunny here. There are no beaches or chicks in bikinis. We have history, but you have to understand that the last 4 yrs (an entire high school career) we have sucked hind tit. For u yanks that means we werent very good. This is a tough conf with the best players, best coaches, best staffs, best facilities, and most passionate fanbases. This job is not for a novice. No more on the job training. This job should require a minimum 5 yrs exp as HC.

 

[chumleypm]

Football Time in TN ‏@FootballTimeMag

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[DD4ME]

Lets get real. TN is not geographically blessed when it comes to recruiting. Its not always warm and sunny here. There are no beaches or chicks in bikinis. We have history, but you have to understand that the last 4 yrs (an entire high school career) we have sucked hind tit. For u yanks that means we werent very good. This is a tough conf with the best players, best coaches, best staffs, best facilities, and most passionate fanbases. This job is not for a novice. No more on the job training. This job should require a minimum 5 yrs exp as HC.

So name your horse then. A lot of guys with 5 years HC experience will have some not so pleasant results in that time frame depending on their previous employment.

 

[DD4ME]

Football Time in TN ‏@FootballTimeMag

RT @CardChronicle: Ole Miss commit flips for Louisville, says Strong is staying Ole Miss Commit Flips For Louisville, Says Strong Is Staying - Card Chronicle …
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Or is flipping to later flip to TN. lol conspiracies aren't just for Gruden.

 

[JMBIGORANGE]

Ignorance.....really....never a top 25 recruiting class at UL....and spare me the "its a BB school and no one wants to play there" crap...if he is such a stud recruiter he would land them there bc they are winning in a horrible Big East....but he doesnt...and we expect him to be able to convince kids to come to TN who is down and in the freakin SEC...smh

What a dumb post!
A lot of people were saying the same thing about Brian Kelly when UT had a chance to offer him. Oh 'he can't recruit"...now 3 yrs later he's playing in the NC game bringing in top 10 classes.

 

[OakRidgeVol]

And let me be clear on my opinion, some of the criticisms of Strong are valid. He hasn't proven anything as a HC really which is concerning. His teams have improved each year which is a positive, but there has not been a defining characteristic or a signature win of his HC career. Bobby Petrino had a couple signature wins, the game against West Virginia where they battled a really good WVU team to the end and the Orange Bowl. To me his lack of a statement win is a valid argument for why not to hire him. The Sugar Bowl would be that win IMO.

He's a gamble, he's not a sure thing. But of the candidates left I think he has the most upside behind Jim Tressell.

 

[volzfanz]

So name your horse then. A lot of guys with 5 years HC experience will have some not so pleasant results in that time frame depending on their previous employment.

If i were choosing:
Take your lumps for the first yr. We should be used to it by now anyway.
Jim Tressell
20+ yrs as HC
75% win percentage
4 natl champs (3 in D-II)
6 conf. champs
12 coach of the yr awards

I know he has baggage, but it is stuff that the gen public thinks every college does anyway. It will blow over soon and someone will get a great coach at a bargain basement price. We seem to be bargain hunters so he should be right up our alley. Compare his coaching numbers with anyone else we are considering.

 

[Spawn]

What a dumb post!
A lot of people were saying the same thing about Brian Kelly when UT had a chance to offer him. Oh 'he can't recruit"...now 3 yrs later he's playing in the NC game bringing in top 10 classes.

He was not going 24 - 15 in 3 years at Cincy. BIG difference.

 

[BigOrangeCrush32]

What a dumb post!
A lot of people were saying the same thing about Brian Kelly when UT had a chance to offer him. Oh 'he can't recruit"...now 3 yrs later he's playing in the NC game bringing in top 10 classes.

well enlighten us mister Braniac....throw some stats at us...not just Brian Kelly....bc I can use the guy from Buffalo who went to Kansas and he sucked there....people at Auburn were wanting him bad before they hired Chizik....he couldnt recruit that well but coached up Buffalo in a bad conference and people were saying he would be great....he absolutely was horrid at Kansas....lost to a DII school...

 

[Doolittle 1720]

We seem to have so many excuses already for strong as to why he should not be judged by his HC experience records and recruiting. We don't need a HC who we have to start off with excuses.

 

[volzfanz]

And let me be clear on my opinion, some of the criticisms of Strong are valid. He hasn't proven anything as a HC really which is concerning. His teams have improved each year which is a positive, but there has not been a defining characteristic or a signature win of his HC career. Bobby Petrino had a couple signature wins, the game against West Virginia where they battled a really good WVU team to the end and the Orange Bowl. To me his lack of a statement win is a valid argument for why not to hire him. The Sugar Bowl would be that win IMO.

He's a gamble, he's not a sure thing. But of the candidates left I think he has the most upside behind Jim Tressell.

His team didnt improve from year 1 to year 2. He was 7-6 then 7-6. Thats not improvement. He did land a big QB recruit in bridgewater and then went 10-2. Now thats improvement, but there simply are too many questions that have yet to be answered on him. I cant get a good job in my own field w/o exp. and we are talking about a top 25 job (minimum) in the country and our leading vote getter is a novice. Thats just askin for trouble.

 

[Spawn]

We seem to have so many excuses already for strong as to why he should not be judged by his HC experience records and recruiting. We don't need a HC who we have to start off with excuses.

Best post I've seen. :hi:

 

[OakRidgeVol]

Kelly's winng % overall before being hired at ND was about 71%. He was 19-16 when he left Central Michigan.

Strong's winning % is about 62%

Keep in mind that Kelly found Cincinnati in much better condition than Strong found Louisville.

 

[Spawn]

Kelly's winng % overall before being hired at ND was about 71%. He was 19-16 when he left Central Michigan.

Strong's winning % is about 62%

He left Central Michigan to go to Cincy. Unless you are comparing Strong and the Big Easy East to Central Michigan, your argument doesn't hold water. Compare Kelly at Cincy to Strong at Louisville.