Charlie Strong

[orangepeopleeater]

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That is all he has is 3* commitments. This is one of the reasons that got Dooley in such a mess at UT. You can not win in the SEC let alone get to the SEC Championship with 3*. Right now, Strong has 8 3* commitments and I believe 1 2* for the 2013 class.

 

[OakRidgeVol]

His team didnt improve from year 1 to year 2. He was 7-6 then 7-6. Thats not improvement.

I don't know, he came back and beat 3 of the 6 teams he lost to the year before and then in year 3 beat both of the teams he previously lost to twice. That tells me he learns from his mistakes.

Did they lose some dumb games, yes absolutely, but he rarely makes the same mistake twice. That concerning to hear about the losses to inferior teams, but it's encouraging to know his teams learn from their mistakes.

 

[Dust10]

That is all he has is 3* commitments. This is one of the reasons that got Dooley in such a mess at UT. You can not win in the SEC let alone get to the SEC Championship with 3*. Right now, Strong has 8 3* commitments and I believe 1 2* for the 2013 class.

Yeah and the 5 stars would just flock to Louisville if Strong wasn't there... It's all relative, you can sell Tennessee in ways Louisville can't be sold.

 

[JMBIGORANGE]

Gundy is no recruiting juggernaught either and he's in a hotbed of talent and in a good conference.
I like the guy but Strong would recruit the south better than Gundy.

 

[DD4ME]

If i were choosing:
Take your lumps for the first yr. We should be used to it by now anyway.
Jim Tressell
20+ yrs as HC
75% win percentage
4 natl champs (3 in D-II)
6 conf. champs
12 coach of the yr awards

I know he has baggage, but it is stuff that the gen public thinks every college does anyway. It will blow over soon and someone will get a great coach at a bargain basement price. We seem to be bargain hunters so he should be right up our alley. Compare his coaching numbers with anyone else we are considering.

Besides the baggage my knock on Tressel is he never did well against SEC teams. You can't say he didn't have talent there.

 

[vol2013]

He was not going 24 - 15 in 3 years at Cincy. BIG difference.

He also took over for a coach that got a promotion to a bigger job in Mark Dantonio instead of Strong who took over for Kragthorpe who was fired. Big difference. If you want to compare anyone of Kelly's stops to Strong it would be the Struggling central michigan program he took over and went 19-16 overall but 9-4 in his last year.

 

[Spawn]

He also took over for a coach that got a promotion to a bigger job in Mark Dantonio instead of Strong who took over for Kragthorpe who was fired. Big difference. If you want to compare anyone of Kelly's stops to Strong it would be the Struggling central michigan program he took over and went 19-16 overall but 9-4 in his last year.

The big east is weak, but not Central Michigan weak. No comparison between those schools. Nice Try.

 

[volzfanz]

My biggest issue with this thread is that people who support strong are looking thru rose-colored glasses. They say other coaches with minimal exp have done pretty well. Chip kelly, saban, muschamp and so on and so on. Let me say that for every person with a winning lottery ticket there are millions with a worthless one. Im just saying lets get the best HC possible and let our history, facilities, and fanbase help to make it competetive with the big guns, but please no more experiments with our football program.

 

[OakRidgeVol]

He left Central Michigan to go to Cincy. Unless you are comparing Strong and the Big Easy East to Central Michigan, your argument doesn't hold water. Compare Kelly at Cincy to Strong at Louisville.

The point wasn't about comparing Strong to CMU Kelly, it's that even good coaches like Kelly start off rough. Kelly had a rough go at CMU and ended up doing well at Cincy.

If we're comparing Kelly to strong though, look at Kelly's first 3 years at Cincy. He was 29-10, Strong is 24-15. Kelly inherited a stronger program that Mark Dantonio had just rebuilt. Strong inherited a rebuilding job that Kragthorpe had left in a mess.

 

[JMBIGORANGE]

well enlighten us mister Braniac....throw some stats at us...not just Brian Kelly....bc I can use the guy from Buffalo who went to Kansas and he sucked there....people at Auburn were wanting him bad before they hired Chizik....he couldnt recruit that well but coached up Buffalo in a bad conference and people were saying he would be great....he absolutely was horrid at Kansas....lost to a DII school...

My point is there is no such thing as a homerun hire.
What had Fulmer done before he was hired,
What had Kiffin done(other than cheat), Mullen, Beliema...
Every hire is somewhat of a risk. Saban was mediocre at best at MSU before LSU took a chance on him.

 

[vol2013]

The big east is weak, but not Central Michigan weak. No comparison between those schools. Nice Try.

It is a closer comparison than trying to compare the situation that Strong inherited from Kragthorpe to what Kelly inherited from a good coach in Dantonio. Nice try.

 

[volzfanz]

Besides the baggage my knock on Tressel is he never did well against SEC teams. You can't say he didn't have talent there.

Does any coach of a non-SEC team have success against our conference? Thats just unfair. Nobody beats SEC teams except other SEC teams. Im just joking.......but not really.

 

[Nashvol2]

Be honest. Those complaining about Strong, were you screaming "Give me anyone other than Dooley" during the last 3 years? Strong is DEFINITELY a significant upgrade over Dooley. He may not be your pick of the litter but he's an upgrade.

 

[Spawn]

The point wasn't about comparing Strong to CMU Kelly, it's that even good coaches like Kelly start off rough. Kelly had a rough go at CMU and ended up doing well at Cincy.

If we're comparing Kelly to strong though, look at Kelly's first 3 years at Cincy. He was 29-10, Strong is 24-15. Kelly inherited a stronger program that Mark Dantonio had just rebuilt. Strong inherited a rebuilding job that Kragthorpe had left in a mess.

I agree with good coaches start out rough. Wait until he starts to win consistently and then he could be a candidate. Thats all I am saying. 7 - 6, 7 - 6, 10 - 2. Not enough data points to show me he is ready for a SEC rebuilding project.

I don't hate Strong, he is just not ready to coach Tennessee. If you do the Kelly scenario, after his next job, he will be ready

 

[Spawn]

Be honest. Those complaining about Strong, were you screaming "Give me anyone other than Dooley" during the last 3 years? Strong is DEFINITELY a significant upgrade over Dooley. He may not be your pick of the litter but he's an upgrade.

upgrade maybe, significant not a chance. Dooley 2.0 + at best.

 

[DD4ME]

Does any coach of a non-SEC team have success against our conference? Thats just unfair. Nobody beats SEC teams except other SEC teams. Im just joking.......but not really.

To answer your question: Tom Osborne, maybe with steroids but in some cases probably with lesser total talent.

Tressel should have had a better record than he did. He's one coach that had all the neccessary tools to level that divide. No one had better recruiting and facilities than he did. We know now really well partly why that is.

 

[volzfanz]

Im an upgrade from dooley

 

[Spawn]

Im an upgrade from dooley

And not that far off from Strong lol

 

[volswillrise12]

I think the arguments against Strong are pretty ridiculous. Nick Saban had some pretty mediocre years in the Big 10 before he built Alabama into an elite program (and LSU prior). We are going to judge Strong because he hasn't had a shot to coach in the SEC?For all we know, we could be passing on a guy that could do what a Saban, Richt, or Miles could do---because we all focus on numbers and where the guy ranks in recruiting on Rivals? It's just ridiculous.

 

[Jwill10ut]

I think Strong is a top notch recruiter... He may not be an out of this world coach but he has took Louisville to a bcs bowl....Being able to recruit is more than half the battle...I would rather have a great recruiter who is a good coach ala Les Miles....If you have great players that can mask alot especially on defense....

 

[UTRavens]

My biggest issue with this thread is that people who support strong are looking thru rose-colored glasses. They say other coaches with minimal exp have done pretty well. Chip kelly, saban, muschamp and so on and so on. Let me say that for every person with a winning lottery ticket there are millions with a worthless one. Im just saying lets get the best HC possible and let our history, facilities, and fanbase help to make it competetive with the big guns, but please no more experiments with our football program.

Okay, name those coaches. I've done much more research on this than you and I can assure you this is not the case.

 

[Spawn]

I think Strong is a top notch recruiter... He may not be an out of this world coach but he has took Louisville to a bcs bowl....Being able to recruit is more than half the battle...I would rather have a great recruiter who is a good coach ala Les Miles....If you have great players that can mask alot especially on defense....

Cincy went undefeated in the Big East and this year Louisville went to the wire to win the big east against Uconn, Rutgers. He may be a good recruiter, but it hasn't shown at Lou. Look at his recruiting classes

 

[Nashvol2]

upgrade maybe, significant not a chance. Dooley 2.0 + at best.

Dooley was never a co-ordinator. Let alone a very successful one in THIS conference. The Big East is a better conference than Conference USA, albeit marginally better. Dooley wasn't even successful at his last two stops before Tennessee. Strong has had success and a PROVEN track record of recruiting in the SEC.

He's an upgrade and that's what most of the people on here were asking for.

Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.

 

[volzfanz]

Which of our candidates - even the ridiculous ones - have a resume like tressell. That seems like nit picking when we are considering charlie strong, golden, smart, fisher, and gundy. Unless we have been hoodwinked then our new HC is one of these guys. None of them compare to tressell who did it in ohio. Freakin ohio. When the floridas and USC's of CFB were top recruit getters just like they are now.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Be honest. Those complaining about Strong, were you screaming "Give me anyone other than Dooley" during the last 3 years? Strong is DEFINITELY a significant upgrade over Dooley. He may not be your pick of the litter but he's an upgrade.

I would be fine with a Charlie Strong hire. I would much rather have a Patterson or Gundy, but CS would be a capable coach to get us to 8-10 wins IMO.