Charlie Strong

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RTGA said:
if the only thing that matters is a hot name then it's Gruden all day long. Strong's name is nowhere near hot enough to change our fortunes in Knoxville and he hasn't won any notable games and his "notable" games at Louisville don't even include top 25 teams. We just spent a TON of money to fire a guy because he couldn't win the big games, except his "big games" included teams that make up half of the BCS top 10. Strong may be a great coach somewhere else but he would not a good hire for our present situation.
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I would take Gruden over Strong all day but this is a CS thread. And he is "hot" enough imo. We would get a way better class than this sh*t Dooley was recruiting. He knows how to coach SEC D and recruit SEC athletes.
 
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k-town_king said:
I would take Gruden over Strong all day but this is a CS thread. And he is "hot" enough imo. We would get a way better class than this sh*t Dooley was recruiting. He knows how to coach SEC D and recruit SEC athletes.
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I don't think we want to compare candidates to Dooley as a benchmark of an Elite Tennessee program.

Strong's losses this year, particularly of note the last one was unacceptable. This not women's basketball, losing to UConn is not what Elite football coaches do.

I believe he could be there one day, but Tennessee needs leadership NOW.

Go Vols!
 
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Batman33 said:
I don't think we want to compare candidates to Dooley as a benchmark of an Elite Tennessee program.

Strong's losses this year, particularly of note the last one was unacceptable. This not women's basketball, losing to UConn is not what Elite football coaches do.

I believe he could be there one day, but Tennessee needs leadership NOW.

Go Vols!
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Every single coach has losses that are unacceptable.

Fisher to NC St. among others.
Stoops to inferior opponents.
Gruden lost a lot of games he wasn't supposed to as well.

There is not a perfect coach that has never had an unacceptable loss. Like I said, Strong would close us with the best defensive class we've had in a long time this year. You see kids like Bell, Levenberry, Ramsey, etc... that are looking for an excuse to jump here. Muschamp has proven that in year 2, a great defensive mind will win in this league with a great running game. You put Lane, Neal, and Green behind this O-line next year with guys like Sentimore, Couch, Johnson, Maggitt, Williams, Randolph, and McNeil in Strong's system and you win at minimum 8 games next year. Then year 2 is where it all comes together.
 
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Strong is more qualified to be UT's HC than Will Muschamp was to be Florida's HC. Heck, before Florida hired Muschamp to be their HC, Texas already had him pegged as their coach in waiting. And there's nothing that Muschamp had shown that gave any indication he should be an SEC HC. Nothing. Oh wait, he had built championship defenses in both the SEC and Big 12. Wait, that kind of resume sounds familiar?

Defense wins championship. Strong has built championship defenses IN THE SEC. You can win in the SEC if you play strong defense and recruit well. Strong will absolutely build stout defenses and if you get him an OC that will coordinate a disciplined mistake free offense (like Muschamp, Saban, and Miles have) then he will make UT a power again.
 
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OakRidgeVol said:
Strong is more qualified to be UT's HC than Will Muschamp was to be Florida's HC. Heck, before Florida hired Muschamp to be their HC, Texas already had him pegged as their coach in waiting. And there's nothing that Muschamp had shown that gave any indication he should be an SEC HC. Nothing. Oh wait, he had built championship defenses in both the SEC and Big 12. Wait, that kind of resume sounds familiar?

Defense wins championship. Strong has built championship defenses IN THE SEC. You can win in the SEC if you play strong defense and recruit well. Strong will absolutely build stout defenses and if you get him an OC that will coordinate a disciplined mistake free offense (like Muschamp, Saban, and Miles have) then he will make UT a power again.
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Exactly.
 
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Batman33 said:
I don't think we want to compare candidates to Dooley as a benchmark of an Elite Tennessee program.

Strong's losses this year, particularly of note the last one was unacceptable. This not women's basketball, losing to UConn is not what Elite football coaches do.

I believe he could be there one day, but Tennessee needs leadership NOW.

Go Vols!
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I guess to me if you take a 4-8 team in a BCS conference over and have them winning instantly and have them at 9-2 in the third year I don't care who the 2 losses are to as long as they are to BCS teams. Thats still damn good. Especially when you have the DC resume CS has. If never losing a game is the requirement there is no one that we can hire this year besides Saban, Kelly or a NFL coach.
 
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The fact of the matter is that we all want the big name hire... However what many to realize is that not everybody is willing to come to the Vols. If a guy like Strong is interested after Tennessee has been turned down by a couple "big shots", I would be ecstatic. Strong knows defense. He knows how to recruit. At this point, he would be a great hire for the Vols.
 
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k-town_king said:
I guess to me if you take a 4-8 team in a BCS conference over and have them winning instantly and have them at 9-2 in the third year I don't care who the 2 losses are to as long as they are to BCS teams. Thats still damn good. Especially when you have the DC resume CS has. If never losing a game is the requirement there is no one that we can hire this year besides Saban, Kelly or a NFL coach.
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To follow your thinking, it seems to me we would want to go after a "Saban, Kelly, or a NFL coach" to have a better shot at success, unless the desired outcome is for less wins. Settling for a "good" coach is not what raised Neyland Stadium to elite level.
 
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Batman33 said:
To follow your thinking, it seems to me we would want to go after a "Saban, Kelly, or a NFL coach" to have a better shot at success, unless the desired outcome is for less wins. Settling for a "good" coach is not what raised Neyland Stadium to elite level.
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I think CS would be great and not good. If we can't get Gruden/Stoops I would love to have CS. My point was everyone has losses this year except for those two or an NFL coach. Some used the UCONN loss to disqualify CS's coaching resume. 9-2 third year after 4-8 with all winning seasons and his DC resume says great coach or at least great hire.
 
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Question I placed to someone I know in the U of L Administration:

Q-If the Vols go after Charlie, do you think he bolts?

A-(exact quote)If the Cards keep losing he becomes less of a star. Think he really wants to see Bridgewater through next year but if UofL doesn't land in a decent conference soon, I think he'll go. He's from Arkansas so I'd think Arkansas would be first preference.

His opinion of course, but sounds reasonable.
 
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Strong would be a good, solid hire. Successful head-coaching experience, SEC experience, would surely be hungry. My worry about Gruden--if we get him, and I think he'll end up in the NFL--is that he's too much of a celebrity these days. Might be a prima donna. I'd be happy to get him, but if not him Strong would be solid.
 
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Batman33 said:
To follow your thinking, it seems to me we would want to go after a "Saban, Kelly, or a NFL coach" to have a better shot at success, unless the desired outcome is for less wins. Settling for a "good" coach is not what raised Neyland Stadium to elite level.
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Saban lost to ULM Monroe, he's off your list.
Kelly lost Navy and Tulsa, he's off your list.
 
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tvols75 said:
Saban lost to ULM Monroe, he's off your list.
Kelly lost Navy and Tulsa, he's off your list.
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The point he was making, was not specific coaches, but the top-tier coaches. I merely quoted his words.

Strong hasn't demonstrated enough at the head coaching level for me to consider him a top-tier coach. He has DC background which is good. However, I have reservations in saying that he has dominated a very weak conference. And IF he hasn't, then I can't put him as a top-tier coach worthy of Tennessee. I wish him well and hope he gets to move up the ladder somewhat, but I am hoping for much better than that for UT. I can't consider him a homerun hire. There has to be better out there if Gruden or Stoops are not offered or they turn us down.
 
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Batman33 said:
The point he was making, was not specific coaches, but the top-tier coaches. I merely quoted his words.

Strong hasn't demonstrated enough at the head coaching level for me to consider him a top-tier coach. He has DC background which is good. However, I have reservations in saying that he has dominated a very weak conference. And IF he hasn't, then I can't put him as a top-tier coach worthy of Tennessee. I wish him well and hope he gets to move up the ladder somewhat, but I am hoping for much better than that for UT. I can't consider him a homerun hire. There has to be better out there if Gruden or Stoops are not offered or they turn us down.
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Was Muschamp worthy of being next coach at Texas and then becoming Florida coach?
 
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Elite recruiter.
Elite defensive coach.
Success as a HC.

Only a forum that has told itself Jon Gruden is their next coach would view this as a questionable hire. This is the hire we need, and way more likely than hiring the hottest name in NFL coaching.
 
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tvols75 said:
Was Muschamp worthy of being next coach at Texas and then becoming Florida coach?
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Head Coach in Waiting at Texas vs. Head Coach at Louisville....uh, I think Texas would be better...at least bigger...lol

Seriously, Muschamp probably still had a certain degree of risk. Remember at the first of this season there were a number of Florida fans wondering if they had the right person? As the season unfolded, the talent truly won out. Strong has stumbled in a weak conference, much weaker than the Big 12 or certainly the SEC.

Bottom line...the degree of risk for UT right now has to be small. Therefore, a proven SEC-level head coach is imperative.
 
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tvols75 said:
Was Muschamp worthy of being next coach at Texas and then becoming Florida coach?
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We're not talking about the Florida job here, now are we? I have a lot of confidence that Charlie Strong would enjoy a similar, if not superior level of success as Muschamp AT Florida. My concern is TENNESSEE and our defensive roster. We aren't even in the same solar system as Florida in that regard.

Muschamp's first year was shaky. This year he did enough to not screw things up too much, but I haven't seen anything that tells me he's a great coach yet.
 
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Batman33 said:
Head Coach in Waiting at Texas vs. Head Coach at Louisville....uh, I think Texas would be better...at least bigger...lol

Seriously, Muschamp probably still had a certain degree of risk. Remember at the first of this season there were a number of Florida fans wondering if they had the right person? As the season unfolded, the talent truly won out. Strong has stumbled in a weak conference, much weaker than the Big 12 or certainly the SEC.

Bottom line...the degree of risk for UT right now has to be small. Therefore, a proven SEC-level head coach is imperative.
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Florida fans that questioned it were the same fans we have that question Strong. And Strong stumbled in a weak conference? He took over a crap program destroyed by a Derek Dooley-type coach and has surpassed all expectations. You forget, he's playing with Big East-type talent as well.
 
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Batman33 said:
Head Coach in Waiting at Texas vs. Head Coach at Louisville....uh, I think Texas would be better...at least bigger...lol

Seriously, Muschamp probably still had a certain degree of risk. Remember at the first of this season there were a number of Florida fans wondering if they had the right person? As the season unfolded, the talent truly won out. Strong has stumbled in a weak conference, much weaker than the Big 12 or certainly the SEC.

Bottom line...the degree of risk for UT right now has to be small. Therefore, a proven SEC-level head coach is imperative.
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I'm going attempt to translate Batman's sentiments.

Because Charlie Strong is the hero Tennessee deserves, but not the one it needs right now
 
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RTGA said:
We're not talking about the Florida job here, now are we? I have a lot of confidence that Charlie Strong would enjoy a similar, if not superior level of success as Muschamp AT Florida. My concern is TENNESSEE and our defensive roster. We aren't even in the same solar system as Florida in that regard.

Muschamp's first year was shaky. This year he did enough to not screw things up too much, but I haven't seen anything that tells me he's a great coach yet.
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No, we're talking about a program that isn't coming off 2 national championships. Nothing tells you Muschamp is a great coach?

He has one loss on the toughest schedule in the country and that loss was a close loss with Florida turning the ball over 3 times in scoring territory.
 
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