Chill out!!!!

[Vol8188]

Well our HC probably knows a good DC when he sees one. Again Banks was his 3/4 choice behind an OSU position coach and the HC at Wofford. I AM NOT an expert on DCs but I generally assume that no matter what the 3rd down distance is, we will miss a sack by about 1.5 seconds and give up a long pass play. Also In 23 games I’ve yet to see Banks make an adjustment on QB draw. Im sure he’s an OK coach, but is he the Stoops to Heupels Spurrier….I doubt it. And there are 2-3 better more experienced DCs who will get fired from HC jobs this year.

So you assume he knows good DCs when he sees them but that his 3rd choice wasn't a good DC?

Did you just not watch the LSU or Kentucky games? Did you just become a fan last night?

Our defense has out played their talent. Our secondary is terrible. Our lbs aren't very good but have played well. The same for our dline.

 

[Vol8188]

Why make they comment? Of course volnation loves this team and ecstatic for the win over Bama. But again, the frustration and disappointment is the fact the team played poorly (esp defense) vs a subpar offense with a lot of stake. Who is to say that TN will be in this position again with a chance to make the playoffs?

I personally don’t like our chances next yr or the yr after. FL, UGA and Bama will be better. Who knows about KY and the teams we play in the west. Plus Texas and Oklahoma are on their way to the SEC and i could see TN playing Six -Eight ranked opponents on any given year. Fans are upset as te played so poorly with all the marbles on the line, so to speak.

So you think Heupel will have his best team with Pruitt's players? Did you forget how many transfers we had or how bad the 2021 recruiting class was?

I'm not saying we make the playoffs next season, but to assume this is his best chance is absurd.

 

[southgatevol]

The 'insult' wasn't necessarily directed at you personally, yours just happened to be the post I quoted. But read thru these pages and it's staggering the amount of crying that IS going on. Fahr Tim Banks!!!!.... Our defense last night was missing a key element, Jeremy Banks. Is it surprising that it imploded? To me it isn't because as we have all known from day 1 is that we. have. no. depth. and more importantly we have a WEAK secondary. Errybody got all wrapped up in the hysteria of us being a super team because we had a shot at the CFP. Objectively, maybe we have been playing over our heads this season, and that's fine too. USCjr certainly did last night, but good for them. This is why we tee it up every week. I'm still very very proud of these young men and our coaching staff. I'm praying for Hendon to not be hurt too badly, and I will be pulling for Bazooka Joe with all my heart and spirit as a VOLS fan.

I am not in the fire Banks crowd but he did not do a good job last night. He did not make adjustments. It may not have made a difference but he could have at least tried something. That was a historally bad night.

 

[gr82batnvol]

It’s not a loss that fans are frustrated over. It’s the way that we lost. Being great on offense won us a lot of games this season and set us up for something special. No one can take away how good and fun the offense is. The other side of the football has been disappointing a good part of the season. It is the purple elephant in the room that has gotten a pass (yes, even the purple elephant can catch one against these guys) because of what our offense has done. So what happens when things aren’t clicking to almost perfection on offense? Well, you’d expect your defense to get some stops. After all, this is power 5 college football. It’s sad when you can easily predict a 3rd and 20 for a first down because there are holes all over the field and they have been there all season. This defensive staff has no ability to make corrections and the players are lost. There has been no development in the secondary all season. It is embarrassing. It’s not just one game, it’s every game, minus Kentucky. Which at that point you thought, well maybe we are starting to catch on and figure some things out. Nope, it was a fluke.
I think when the sting from this humiliating defeat wears off and IF we finish not losing 4 out of the last 5 games (which is a concern), I think fans will be happy with the season but you want to see improvement along the way. The fans invest their time, money, and emotion into not only the team but the BUSINESS. It doesn’t work without the fans support. It is okay for fans to not be happy with an obvious weakness and to call it out so that some changes are made.

 

[sonofUT62]

So you assume he knows good DCs when he sees them but that his 3rd choice wasn't a good DC?

Did you just not watch the LSU or Kentucky games? Did you just become a fan last night?

Our defense has out played their talent. Our secondary is terrible. Our lbs aren't very good but have played well. The same for our dline.

No I was a fan before last night. I was a fan last week when that same ****ing offense scored six points against A Fla team that got beat by Vandy. And when we once again let a QB gash is for over 100 yards on the ground.And watch the tude, I’ve been nothing but respectful to you. If you think that any of the other teams in the top 10 would want Banks as Their DC, then maybe you just started watching last night. I didn’t say Banks had talent, I didn’t say he wasn’t decent. I said he’s not a championship winning DC. Also are you really throwing out shutting down KY as proof of Banks prowess?

 

[MurphyVol]

Sounds like Hyatt against Bama. Except Hyatt was a 3* who we all thought the staff might run off a year ago.

A highly talented player had an impressive performance against us. It would be like if a PG went 10/12 from the 3pt line and we lost to an inferior basketball team. Those things happen.

Why is this so shocking to so many of you? Did you forget he was good? Did you forgot that sometimes a team can catch more than 50% of 50/50 balls?

I'm not understanding.

Why isn't it shocking to you? He's struggled massively in that system all season. Outside of Vandy and SC State, he had thrown 3 TD passes all season. If you saw this coming then you must have wiped Vegas out.

I certainly was surprised at Hyatt against Alabama and it has definitely slowed down his production now that teams cover him.

I'd say there are probably 100 college QBs that could have gone for 300-400 yards on that defense last night.

I'm not understanding.

 

[Vol8188]

Why isn't it shocking to you? He's struggled massively in that system all season. Outside of Vandy and SC State, he had thrown 3 TD passes all season. If you saw this coming then you must have wiped Vegas out.

I certainly was surprised at Hyatt against Alabama and it has definitely slowed down his production now that teams cover him.

I'd say there are probably 100 college QBs that could have gone for 300-400 yards on that defense last night.

I'm not understanding.

Because it's the same system he also flourished in previously and was a heisman trophy candidate in.

If you think the bold is true, then that's the problem. Watch the game again. Watch the number of times he had to make perfect throws and did. That's where the variance in outcome comes in. The 4th downs they converted, the near tip on the td pass by Slaughter, the passes he fit into tight windows, there's a ton of variance within any given game.

If the most average athlete were to go against Deon Sanders in his prime 100x, they would still make a few plays.

What happened last night was that we do not yet have a roster capable of overcoming that statistical variance. We don't have the Deon who will only get beat on 1-2 of those 100 snaps, we don't have the defensive line who will win 51% of their 1 on 1 battles, or the LBs.

Until our roster improves, we will continue to be capable of being beat by teams of similar talent level. Pitt, Florida, SC, and KY were all 4 teams of similar talent. Yet we won 3 out of 4 of those games.

I'm not understanding how you don't see this.

 

[vol94]

So you think Heupel will have his best team with Pruitt's players? Did you forget how many transfers we had or how bad the 2021 recruiting class was?

I'm not saying we make the playoffs next season, but to assume this is his best chance is absurd.

Not saying that all. My point is that this team had played itself into a possible playoff birth but gave it away last nt. Heup may recruit well but my concern is TN will always lose 1-3 games a year due to the schedule. And to be honest, idk if his style of ply is physical enough to go the distance. We got whipped last night in every phase of the game. Our receivers cannot stand contact and whined all nt.

Yes I’m frustrated but love TN and will spend another $3000 next yr for tickets, lodging etc.

 

[Vol8188]

Not saying that all. My point is that this team had played itself into a possible playoff birth but gave it away last nt. Heup may recruit well but my concern is TN will always lose 1-3 games a year due to the schedule. And to be honest, idk if his style of ply is physical enough to go the distance. We got whipped last night in every phase of the game. Our receivers cannot stand contact and whined all nt.

Yes I’m frustrated but love TN and will spend another $3000 next yr for tickets, lodging etc.

Our offense probably puts up over 40 pts if the defense gets a stop at any point or if Hooker doesn't go down. The idea that this means our "style" is the problem is absurd.

Everyone knew coming into this season and last that our defensive roster was bad. Idk why anyone is shocked now.

And I highly doubt this is our best chance to go to the playoffs. Especially since they're expanding the playoffs

 

[MurphyVol]

Because it's the same system he also flourished in previously and was a heisman trophy candidate in.

If you think the bold is true, then that's the problem. Watch the game again. Watch the number of times he had to make perfect throws and did. That's where the variance in outcome comes in. The 4th downs they converted, the near tip on the td pass by Slaughter, the passes he fit into tight windows, there's a ton of variance within any given game.

If the most average athlete were to go against Deon Sanders in his prime 100x, they would still make a few plays.

What happened last night was that we do not yet have a roster capable of overcoming that statistical variance. We don't have the Deon who will only get beat on 1-2 of those 100 snaps, we don't have the defensive line who will win 51% of their 1 on 1 battles, or the LBs.

Until our roster improves, we will continue to be capable of being beat by teams of similar talent level. Pitt, Florida, SC, and KY were all 4 teams of similar talent. Yet we won 3 out of 4 of those games.

I'm not understanding how you don't see this.

Maybe ask Rattler how the Oklahoma Air Raid compares to Shatterfield's pro style offense as it's completely different. Why quarterback Spencer Rattler chose to join South Carolina football

If you don't believe the bold then you watched a different game than I did. Guys running wide open all night, very soft cushions, confusion and a paralyzed back 7 on 3rd and 20.

 

[gr82batnvol]

Because it's the same system he also flourished in previously and was a heisman trophy candidate in.

If you think the bold is true, then that's the problem. Watch the game again. Watch the number of times he had to make perfect throws and did. That's where the variance in outcome comes in. The 4th downs they converted, the near tip on the td pass by Slaughter, the passes he fit into tight windows, there's a ton of variance within any given game.

If the most average athlete were to go against Deon Sanders in his prime 100x, they would still make a few plays.

What happened last night was that we do not yet have a roster capable of overcoming that statistical variance. We don't have the Deon who will only get beat on 1-2 of those 100 snaps, we don't have the defensive line who will win 51% of their 1 on 1 battles, or the LBs.

Until our roster improves, we will continue to be capable of being beat by teams of similar talent level. Pitt, Florida, SC, and KY were all 4 teams of similar talent. Yet we won 3 out of 4 of those games.

I'm not understanding how you don't see this.

He had some good throws, but he also had time to deliver the football. A good majority of his passes were “high-pointed” by his WRs. The game wasn’t won because he threw into tight windows all game. You are talking about one pass. There were holes all over the field all night-all season. There were great throws by most opposing teams QBs all season. It’s a theme. Look at what AR did to this team. There are some obvious issues. Yes, talent is one of them but development and scheme is a part of the problem as well.

 

[BlinghamptonVol]

Surely you realize you were predicting through very orange tinted glasses right? Just from a talent standpoint Fl, Pitt, USC, and Kentucky were always going to be possible loses.

Who has talent at Pitt? Who’s getting drafted from uf? USC’s ‘talent’ was on display all season til our D made them look like the Chiefs. And UK has a good running back, a mid qb, and literally no one else.

Meanwhile, our qb was the Heisman favorite going in to yesterday, Hyatt, our 3rd receiver coming into the season is a Biletnikoff finalist. We have two of the absolute best players at their positions in all of college football. Now, I didn’t know they’d be as good as they have been, but it was easy to see that the four teams above weren’t going to be good.

 

[Vol8188]

Maybe ask Rattler how the Oklahoma Air Raid compares to Shatterfield's pro style offense as it's completely different. Why quarterback Spencer Rattler chose to join South Carolina football

If you don't believe the bold then you watched a different game than I did. Guys running wide open all night, very soft cushions, confusion and a paralyzed back 7 on 3rd and 20.

You should probably watch the game again. They probably ran mesh (the actual inventor of the air raid's favorite pass play) 20 times.

 

[vol94]

Our offense probably puts up over 40 pts if the defense gets a stop at any point or if Hooker doesn't go down. The idea that this means our "style" is the problem is absurd.

Everyone knew coming into this season and last that our defensive roster was bad. Idk why anyone is shocked now.

And I highly doubt this is our best chance to go to the playoffs. Especially since they're expanding the playoffs

The result isn’t played on “ifs.” Thirty plus points should win you a game. However, our pace places the defense into a difficult situation w TOP. You can disagree l, that’s fine. But TN isn’t physical but better change that mindset instead of complaining on every route.

As far as playoffs, I truly hope you are correct. But once again, our schedule will only get more difficult while the ACC, Big 12 and PAC 12 will be avg most yrs.

 

[igotworms]

Playoff opportunities are rare for most college teams and this team imploded against a team they should of handled. No I’m not going to chill out when that was one of the worst chokes in vols program history.

should have**

 

[Vol8188]

Who has talent at Pitt? Who’s getting drafted from uf? USC’s ‘talent’ was on display all season til our D made them look like the Chiefs. And UK has a good running back, a mid qb, and literally no one else.

Meanwhile, our qb was the Heisman favorite going in to yesterday, Hyatt, our 3rd receiver coming into the season is a Biletnikoff finalist. We have two of the absolute best players at their positions in all of college football. Now, I didn’t know they’d be as good as they have been, but it was easy to see that the four teams above weren’t going to be good.

This is straight revisionist history. You're falling into the trap of ratings vs talent. It would be like a Syracuse fan being upset they lost to Pitt, despite the fact that everyone in America knows Syracuse wasn't a top 10 team.

Did we deserve to be ranked 5th? 100% because we earned it on the field. Do we have a top 5 roster? 100% no. Our roster is more comparable to Fl, Pitt, USC, and KY than it is Georgia, Bama, Oh State, or Texas A&M. And as long as it is comparable to those teams, we have a shot at losing to those teams. It's simple.

 

[Vol8188]

The result isn’t played on “ifs.” Thirty plus points should win you a game. However, our pace places the defense into a difficult situation w TOP. You can disagree l, that’s fine. But TN isn’t physical but better change that mindset instead of complaining on every route.

As far as playoffs, I truly hope you are correct. But once again, our schedule will only get more difficult while the ACC, Big 12 and PAC 12 will be avg most yrs.

The result being played on ifs has nothing to do with it. I mentioned the "if" because you ignorantly claimed we lost in all phases of the game. Yet our offense played well.

Yes, 30+ should win a game. So you're contradicting yourself again by claiming we lost in all phases of the game.

And where do you get that we aren't physical? We are literally one of the best run defenses out there. You're just throwing together a random word salad of absurd opinions (we got beat in all aspects of the game, we aren't physical, our system is the problem) and pretending it makes sense.

 

[GulfCoasterVol]

10th win comes next week

Or does it ??

 

[MurphyVol]

You should probably watch the game again. They probably ran mesh (the actual inventor of the air raid's favorite pass play) 20 times.

I'll take Rattler's word for it on how difficult it was to learn and how he thought it would better prepare him for the NFL since it was so different than what he did at Oklahoma. Maybe he doesn't know the difference.

If they truly ran the same play 20 times out of 37 attempts that pretty damning for Banks and Martinez.

 

[BlinghamptonVol]

This is straight revisionist history. You're falling into the trap of ratings vs talent. It would be like a Syracuse fan being upset they lost to Pitt, despite the fact that everyone in America knows Syracuse wasn't a top 10 team.

Did we deserve to be ranked 5th? 100% because we earned it on the field. Do we have a top 5 roster? 100% no. Our roster is more comparable to Fl, Pitt, USC, and KY than it is Georgia, Bama, Oh State, or Texas A&M. And as long as it is comparable to those teams, we have a shot at losing to those teams. It's simple.

Revisionist history? I claimed we’d wax these teams in August. Please tell me who you thought was really talented at Pitt, uf, sc, and uk before the season?

 

[vol94]

The result being played on ifs has nothing to do with it. I mentioned the "if" because you ignorantly claimed we lost in all phases of the game. Yet our offense played well.

Yes, 30+ should win a game. So you're contradicting yourself again by claiming we lost in all phases of the game.

And where do you get that we aren't physical? We are literally one of the best run defenses out there. You're just throwing together a random word salad of absurd opinions (we got beat in all aspects of the game, we aren't physical, our system is the problem) and pretending it makes sense.

Not sure why you are so angry as I’m having a conversation w you. You used your favorite word “absurd” three different times. Now you are saying “ignorant?”

Offense l- we scored over 35 points. Unfortunaty TN needed to score every possession. They closed the gap to four but the game got out of reach quickly as USCjr scored at will. Our receivers were NOT physical. Bru is the only one, imo.

Defense - we got whipped. The score reiterates that point. Regardless of run D, no pressure on Spencer Ratliff (sp). DBs were bad and they had guys open all nt. I wasn’t at the game but those who were say their QB had open guys on every play.

Special teams- our punter had another bad game. There was one that went 35 yards

I’m done w this conversation and signing off.

Enjoy your Sunday and Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family. We can at least agree we are TN fans!

 

[Vol8188]

Revisionist history? I claimed we’d wax these teams in August. Please tell me who you thought was really talented at Pitt, uf, sc, and uk before the season?

We can start with the most important position in football, the QB for each of those teams.

 

[sami]

„Let the dust settle just a little“. said the citizens of Pompeii in 79 AD
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Wow, you generally don't see this kind of cleverness in trolls. Well done.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Wow, you generally don't see this kind of cleverness in trolls. Well done.

It’s a living

 

[Arrested Devolopment]

all true but we still need to fire some people.

Let's start with www.fahrcoachbanks.com