Chip Brown report: Texas A&M to the SEC

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vol66 said:
I mean no disrespect...this is media driven...I have posted many times that I didn't think there was any real reason to be worried about Texas and OU joining with the left coast because, quite frankly(no offense Droski) I didn't think you could "lead the horse to water". It doesn't matter. If you own all the GIANT media markets, you shape perception. The perception now is the SEC is the best football conference, what happens if every major media market decides we don't?
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Right between the eyes, I still suffer from the delusion that my perception matters. Is it not enough to remember how the Big 10 and Big XII have been holding up against the SEC in critical post season play. I suppose that is what has created the problem.

Edit: On second thought I think the ideal additions would be A & M, Oklahoma, Air Force and Virginia Tech.
 
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Velo Vol said:
What? You mean stuff can change?

I'm pretty sure that the fact that we've won the last few championship games guarantees that we will be the awesomest conference forever!
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Why do you think this is happening? It's precisely that we have won, but that's the past. I'm old. When the Big 12 formed it was put into motion in large part to be Bigger and Better than the SEC. They haven't been able to do it.
 
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NMVol said:
Right between the eyes, I still suffer from the delusion that my perception matters. Is it not enough to remember how the Big 10 and Big XII have been holding up against the SEC in critical post season play. I suppose that is what has created the problem.

Edit: On second thought I think the ideal additions would be A & M, Oklahoma, Air Force and Virginia Tech.
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That's sort of random you included Air Force. Why Air Force?
 
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Volgrad98 said:
That's sort of random you included Air Force. Why Air Force?
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Following the military theme that A & M and VT would bring. Colorado Springs is close to the Oklahoma pan-handle and I don't think there is much argument around the questions of institutional stability. It just seems to me that having venerable Universities as part of the mix is part of what gives a conference gravitas. That's one of the reasons A & M is an interesting move. Besides, the military academies seem to be in a cycle of coming on. All these factors distinguish Air Force as an interesting candidate in my mind.

In any event I am just throwing out some ideas.
 
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NMVol said:
It following the military theme that A & M and VT would bring. Colorado Springs is close to the Oklahoma pan-handle and I don't think there is much argument around the questions of institutional stability. It just seems to me that having venerable Universities as part of the mix is part of what gives a conference gravitas. That's one of the reasons A & M is an interesting move. Besides, the military academies seem to be in a cycle of coming on. All these factors distinguished Air Force as an interesting candidate in my mind.

In any event I am just throwing out some ideas.
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Didn't think about the military ties. That's why it seemed random to me.
 
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Let me just be plain. This is not PC, I don't feel comfortable posting it. For a very long time Texas and others have said that the SEC is not up to snuff academically. Translated: You take kids we can't take and in their minds we have an edge. We won't join because your Universities are not up to par, your academics don't cut it. Question: Why is Colorado the first team into the PAC whatever? Aren't they the only BCS school to lose scholarships because of their APR this year?

All of that is out the window now. This is about TV money and the ability to control the media perception. I might be totally wrong standing out here on the grassy knoll. I'll tell you what doesn't matter. What fans think, rivalries, tradition, loyalty, all of that is so far down the list, it might as well not be on a list at all.

Why did Slive say we won't be proactive and then get REALLY proactive?
 
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onevol74 said:
I read it and it does make sense as far as a conspiracy is concerned. ABC and ESPN could easily be driving this agenda. If there is any truth to this then Slive's neck could easily be on the line if he makes some bad moves here. It looks like he is making an end run with A&M, but he had better be pushing as hard as possible to pull OU into the SEC also.

I do think that if there is some kind of evidence that this is fact going on then the SEC should start having congressional leaders to look into anti-trust activities between the networks and the Big Ten and Pac-10. It appears that the networks can control both operations of the SEC through contracts and our competition through collusion.
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ABC Sports has been dead since Sept 2006.
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Texas generates 100's of millions of dollars through research grants, endowments, and other forms of revenue through the strength of their academics. Universities team together to bring that kind of revenue through their associations and other agreements. Think UT-Battelle, Oak Ridge Associated Universities, Oak Ridge National Labortatory, etc. One of the attractons for Texas is to team up with the west coast universities to increase research revenues.

There's also football generated revenues discussed throught this board.
 
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Give 'em Six said:
Texas generates 100's of millions of dollars through research grants, endowments, and other forms of revenue through the strength of their academics. Universities team together to bring that kind of revenue through their associations and other agreements. Think UT-Battelle, Oak Ridge Associated Universities, Oak Ridge National Labortatory, etc. One of the attractons for Texas is to team up with the west coast universities to increase research revenues.

There's also football generated revenues discussed throught this board.
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Exactly, what better way to do it? Join up with some of the best universities on the West Coast...AND teaming up with the Big 10 to make sure that the SEC can't expand to the West. They then have all you mention AND the control of the big tv markets. I never said it wasn't smart.
 
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UNM won't be down for ever. Remember Sandia and Los Alamos.:) Act now Slive! Break the siege of envy by accruing greater power.
 
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vol66 said:
Exactly, what better way to do it? Join up with some of the best universities on the West Coast...AND teaming up with the Big 10 to make sure that the SEC can't expand to the West. They then have all you mention AND the control of the big tv markets. I never said it wasn't smart.
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This sounds like the makings of a Civil War in college sports.
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vol66 said:
Exactly, what better way to do it? Join up with some of the best universities on the West Coast...AND teaming up with the Big 10 to make sure that the SEC can't expand to the West. They then have all you mention AND the control of the big tv markets. I never said it wasn't smart.
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Let's hope Slive is up to the task and puts the brakes on these shenanigans.
 
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I realize it's over the top and nutty and it's not really my thing, but a Gator put it out and a Bammer thought it was interesting and I guess that puts me in bad company...At the end of the day, if Slive doesn't get involved, if A&M doesn't reject the PAC offer what keeps it from happenning exactly the way mr. gator describes?
 
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vol66 said:
this is a link post from a gator, reposted by a bammer, on a TAMU scout board.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=187&f=2639&t=6036223
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OK, I read the article. The basic premise is correct in that it describes a lot of the underlying forces at play in the expansion issue. A lot of them have been discussed here. This is an important issue that will have a major effect on the SEC. Not to repeat myself, but I hope Slive is up to the task.

I agree that Texas is a major player in this whole thing. They bullied Nebraska into leaving the Big-12 and have drowned out other members through excessive use of their power as the elite institution in the Big 12. Look where the Big 12 is headquartered - TX.

I also agree that TAMU to the SEC throws a big wrench in their plans. They don't want to have the SEC gain a recruiting/media outlet foothold in TX. Throw OU in that and they are really mired in the muck. Big-12 remains intact with 10 teams and later adds two more to stop the whole thing or the Pac-10 becomes the Pac-14 and things are even. The whole thing could start up in a few years again and go to 16 teams, who knows.

It's just a shame that there are people who sit around all day figuring out ways to get their hands in our pockets. The average man just can't compete. If this thing happens, college football just got a lot more expensive. They have forgotten the fans.

jmho
 
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I don't agree with everything in the article but like I said there are people that sit around thinking and strategizing about these things all day long. I edited the response so you might want to read it agiain.
 
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Think lots more PPV and and in some cases, smaller travel contingents. It won't affect the core SEC teams as the SEC today is fairly easy to get around to attend away games. Much of that will still be preserved.
 
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Chip Brown has really let this whole thing go to his head. It's going to be a major blow to his ego in a few weeks when all the realignment talks are over and nobody outside of Austin cares about orangebloods anymore.
 
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