Clarence Thomas in Hot Water (Alito too!)

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volfanhill said:
This is more problematic then the vacation nonsense


Billionaire Harlan Crow Bought Property From Clarence Thomas. The Justice Didn’t Disclose the Deal.
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This will require some explaining. Its not a lot of money (1/3 interest in $133k sale) and the guy bought it at relatively near market and clearly made money by upscaling the neighborhood a bit. But no question that the appearance is that he bought the home and lets Thomas's mother stay there till she passes - presumably then he can build the museum (like the Poe house in Baltimore, etc). Even so, Thomas may have violated the law by not disclosing it. His accountant should have known better.

But then you probably violate the law whenever you get on the freeway, the question here is if it is a crime or merely a violation. Its also about how deep down the rabbit hole everyone wants to go. Go far enough and I will bet you that not a single justice (or Senator) can stand - its about degree.

All of it is immaterial though. This alleged infraction was over 10 years ago, long past any possible statute of limitations.

Great work by the Huffpo though - now maybe they can start digging into Hunter's background a bit eh? lol
 
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Gandalf said:
This will require some explaining. Its not a lot of money (1/3 interest in $133k sale) and the guy bought it at relatively near market and clearly made money by upscaling the neighborhood a bit. But no question that the appearance is that he bought the home and lets Thomas's mother stay there till she passes - presumably then he can build the museum (like the Poe house in Baltimore, etc). Even so, Thomas may have violated the law by not disclosing it. His accountant should have known better.

But then you probably violate the law whenever you get on the freeway, the question here is if it is a crime or merely a violation. Its also about how deep down the rabbit hole everyone wants to go. Go far enough and I will bet you that not a single justice (or Senator) can stand - its about degree.

All of it is immaterial though. This alleged infraction was over 10 years ago, long past any possible statute of limitations.

Great work by the Huffpo though - now maybe they can start digging into Hunter's background a bit eh? lol
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You forget: Hunter is not a public official. He's not a judge or Congressman. He's a private citizen. Big difference.

As for this latest Thomas scandal, it reeks of Crow just giving money to Thomas--since he bought the house, cash money for Thomas, made improvements to the house--and all apparently so that Thomas could pocket money and his mother could live in a nicer house. He claims he bought the house to later turn it into some historical site. Thomas was obliged by law to disclose the sale. He didn't. He's been obliged to report his wife's income-which comes from conservative political entities. He never has. He's a corrupt hack, and nothing more than that. Always has been.
 
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Gandalf said:
This will require some explaining. Its not a lot of money (1/3 interest in $133k sale) and the guy bought it at relatively near market and clearly made money by upscaling the neighborhood a bit. But no question that the appearance is that he bought the home and lets Thomas's mother stay there till she passes - presumably then he can build the museum (like the Poe house in Baltimore, etc). Even so, Thomas may have violated the law by not disclosing it. His accountant should have known better.

But then you probably violate the law whenever you get on the freeway, the question here is if it is a crime or merely a violation. Its also about how deep down the rabbit hole everyone wants to go. Go far enough and I will bet you that not a single justice (or Senator) can stand - its about degree.

All of it is immaterial though. This alleged infraction was over 10 years ago, long past any possible statute of limitations.

Great work by the Huffpo though - now maybe they can start digging into Hunter's background a bit eh? lol
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Yep, nothing will come of it. Liberals are trying to take him out. They'll be disappointed
 
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Sea Ray said:
Yep, nothing will come of it. Liberals are trying to take him out. They'll be disappointed
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We're not going to be disappointed. We know what Republicans are at this point. This behavior is to be expected from the right. It's just nice to get the corruption out in the open and watch you guys go "yeah, cool with me."
 
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evillawyer said:
We're not going to be disappointed. We know what Republicans are at this point. This behavior is to be expected from the right. It's just nice to get the corruption out in the open and watch you guys go "yeah, cool with me."
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"Watergate does not bother me..."
 
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Here is a good story/column on a Supreme Court Justice who did resign under fire for ethical violations. He was appointed
by a Democrat but Dems turned on him for offenses that were not nearly as bad as Thomas's.

But that was back in the days when there was lots more moderation in Congress and more shared viewpoints by members of both parties.
It's worth noting that it was Republican congressmen (Senators, I believe) who went to GOP President Richard Nixon and urged to resign--or else be impeached. They were not going to vote to support him. That was before the GOP's long slide into extremism and crazy.....

Opinion | 54 Years Ago, a Supreme Court Justice Was Forced to Quit for Behavior Arguably Less Egregious Than Thomas’s
 
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turbovol said:
You forget: Hunter is not a public official. He's not a judge or Congressman. He's a private citizen. Big difference.

As for this latest Thomas scandal, it reeks of Crow just giving money to Thomas--since he bought the house, cash money for Thomas, made improvements to the house--and all apparently so that Thomas could pocket money and his mother could live in a nicer house. He claims he bought the house to later turn it into some historical site. Thomas was obliged by law to disclose the sale. He didn't. He's been obliged to report his wife's income-which comes from conservative political entities. He never has. He's a corrupt hack, and nothing more than that. Always has been.
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Don't play stupid. No one cares about Hunter. Its that Hunter (and the big guy's brother) is the bagman for a then Vice President and now President taking millions upon millions of dollars from our foreign adversaries.

I was merely pointing out the utter hypocrisy of diving into this when they completely ignore much bigger and more concerning relationships that clearly could affect our policy making decisions because you know, its their side.

Thomas should get this sorted though.
 
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turbovol said:
You forget: Hunter is not a public official. He's not a judge or Congressman. He's a private citizen. Big difference.

As for this latest Thomas scandal, it reeks of Crow just giving money to Thomas--since he bought the house, cash money for Thomas, made improvements to the house--and all apparently so that Thomas could pocket money and his mother could live in a nicer house. He claims he bought the house to later turn it into some historical site. Thomas was obliged by law to disclose the sale. He didn't. He's been obliged to report his wife's income-which comes from conservative political entities. He never has. He's a corrupt hack, and nothing more than that. Always has been.
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Cool. If he’s a private citizen then he can give up the security detail and the rides on AFO.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Bought Thomas’s mom’s house, made improvements, let her keep living there, bought out the annoying neighbors, cleaned up the neighborhood, and built a house for a local cop to live near his mom?

I retract my speculation that they’re boning. Sounds more like true love.
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Yep, sounds like poor Ginni's been relegated to sloppy seconds.
 
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If this Crow guy didn't exist I'm sure Thomas would't have decided differently on any issue. But he does exist and It should be disqualifying for Thomas to accept big paychecks from him.
 
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hog88 said:
There needs to be some explaining on this one.
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Agreed. I don’t like that it wasn’t disclosed. Other than that, it actually seems legit. The total purchase price was only 133k for a house and 3.5 lots.
 
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evillawyer said:
We're not going to be disappointed. We know what Republicans are at this point. This behavior is to be expected from the right. It's just nice to get the corruption out in the open and watch you guys go "yeah, cool with me."
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If buying a house and 3.5 lots for 133k is the highest corruption you can find, we are doing great
 
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turbovol said:
You forget: Hunter is not a public official. He's not a judge or Congressman. He's a private citizen. Big difference.

As for this latest Thomas scandal, it reeks of Crow just giving money to Thomas--since he bought the house, cash money for Thomas, made improvements to the house--and all apparently so that Thomas could pocket money and his mother could live in a nicer house. He claims he bought the house to later turn it into some historical site. Thomas was obliged by law to disclose the sale. He didn't. He's been obliged to report his wife's income-which comes from conservative political entities. He never has. He's a corrupt hack, and nothing more than that. Always has been.
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Curious question, if this was their way of just giving Thomas money, don’t you think it would’ve been more than 133k for a house and 3.5 lots?

Seems kinda weak.
 
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Why Clarence Thomas’s Ethical Dilemma Won’t Change the Supreme Court

If you thought that Justice Clarence Thomas’s unreported luxury trips and gifts from a Republican billionaire would spur ethics changes imposed by Congress, think again.

Deep partisan divisions threaten any legislation mandating a code of conduct for the nine justices who work just across the street from the US Capitol. Lawmakers in both parties have long upheld a centuries-old tradition of letting the Supreme Court, the final arbiter of what is and is not constitutional, police itself. And Republicans, who installed a 6-3 conservative majority on the court, want to keep things exactly as they are. Justices, confirmed by the Senate to lifetime terms, are treated with a deference not afforded any other government officials. And so they’ve operated since the nation’s founding without a formal code of ethics, unlike any other members of the federal judiciary.
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Why Clarence Thomas’s Ethical Dilemma Won’t Change the Supreme Court
 
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Vol8188 said:
Agreed. I don’t like that it wasn’t disclosed. Other than that, it actually seems legit. The total purchase price was only 133k for a house and 3.5 lots.
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It could be a simple explanation, maybe Thomas didn't pocket any of the proceeds or under the reported amount. In any case I think he should explain why he didn't report this one.
 
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luthervol said:
And for the 358th time. I didn't support Clinton in the primaries.
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But you fell in line. They will continue to trot mindless yes men and horrible candidates because they've rigged it. "They" decide who we get by shaping public perception around the candidate they can best control and keep in line. I'm convinced of that.

Until we are willing to "throw away" our vote to a third party or neutral party candidate "they" will keep winning at our expense.

Quit being allegiant to parties that shat on you. Stand up and quit participating in their charade, dump "them" on their heads!

Biden has been demonstrably worse in many respects than Trump was. Both are/were horrible. Obama wasn't that much better, Bush was on the same footing as Obama. It's time we wake up, quit suckling from the two party teat, the milk comes from the same place and rancid no matter which teat you choose.........

Rant over
 
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hog88 said:
There needs to be some explaining on this one.
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I'll be the first to say that I like Clarence Thomas, but this is fishy AF. This is pretty clearly an attempt to avoid disclosing a financial relationship with Crow.

If Sonia Sotomayor or Kagan was involved in something like this, this entire thread would call for her removal from the Court immediately. Is the digging into this politically motivated? I'm sure it is, but it doesn't mean that it is a whole lot of nothing. The uncovering of any political scandal has political motivations.
 
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I haven't been reading this thread, but I'm sure all the people who complained about all the "Soros-funded" officials the last 20 years have been all over this story too, right?
 
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KB5252 said:
But you fell in line. They will continue to trot mindless yes men and horrible candidates because they've rigged it. "They" decide who we get by shaping public perception around the candidate they can best control and keep in line. I'm convinced of that.

Until we are willing to "throw away" our vote to a third party or neutral party candidate "they" will keep winning at our expense.

Quit being allegiant to parties that shat on you. Stand up and quit participating in their charade, dump "them" on their heads!

Biden has been demonstrably worse in many respects than Trump was. Both are/were horrible. Obama wasn't that much better, Bush was on the same footing as Obama. It's time we wake up, quit suckling from the two party teat, the milk comes from the same place and rancid no matter which teat you choose.........

Rant over
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We all need to rant periodically. It's therapeutic.

I actually think the system worked relatively well until 2016. It's not the system that is broken, it's the voters. We need to be collectively smarter, ESPECIALLY in the primaries.

And I'm also longing for a viable 3rd party candidate. I would even be willing to symbolically "throw my vote away" on a third party candidate if I didn't feel that one of the two major party candidates was demonstrably worse than the other.
 
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Velo Vol said:
I haven't been reading this thread, but I'm sure all the people who complained about all the "Soros-funded" officials the last 20 years have been all over this story too, right?
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I don’t think anyones claim has ever been that “if Soros funded you, you should be forced to resign because it’s unethical”. Not even close to the same thing. Nor is there evidence Crow funded Thomas
 
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