Climate Change Report

#103
#103
ClearwaterVol said:
That won't work on a global scale.
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And?

Are you implying we should hurt ourselves while giving a pass to our industrial competition overseas?

Which part of "bad deal for many nations" is lost on you concerning the Paris Treaty?
 
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#104
#106
#106
Grand Vol said:
Here's the thing as I've stated before about the international side of things.

The Paris Treaty was a bad deal for a lot of nations across the board, the US included. It gave a pass to high polluting nations like China and India because of their "developing" economies and set strict standards on others. Trump basically told the truth, the Paris Treaty was unfair and I'd dare say behind closed doors a lot of governments around the world agreed with him. Just didn't have the balls to follow the US leadership in the matter.

After Trump withdrew from the Paris Treaty, many whined and gnashed their teeth and said "oh yeah! We'll do it anyway!" Isn't doing something voluntary always preferred to having the government mandate it? Isn't it also a form of leadership to allow States and local municipalities to set their own standards? Let's face facts here, any time you get the federal government involved in anything, it becomes a mess. It's way easier for a local government to say "we're buying NG powered buses for our transit system because they are environmentally safer" instead of being forced to.
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^— !!!
 
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#108
#108
ClearwaterVol said:
Well, seeing as how we are inhabiting the same spinning ball, we might want to get everyone to cut it down.
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So you do believe we need to force the hand if others? You want military intervention in countries that “We” think aren’t doing enough to cut emissions?
 
#109
#109
ClearwaterVol said:
Well, seeing as how we are inhabiting the same spinning ball, we might want to get everyone to cut it down.
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So I guess we should set an example! Oh wait...

Look, with no treaty/accord/pinky promise hanging over us were leading the way. So we’re taking care of us. Since I’m really not inclined to listen to other countries telling us what to do (like a large number of Americans also) the reciprocal of that also holds true right?
 
#111
#111
titansvolsfaninga said:
lol...first of all....your taxes don't support anything in my home. I am almost certain that my income is greater than yours, therefore my kids are supported just fine. Use your weekly paycheck to buy more beer and Marlboro's.
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Well my dad can beat up your dad.
 
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#112
#112
tumscalcium said:
So you do believe we need to force the hand if others? You want military intervention in countries that “We” think aren’t doing enough to cut emissions?
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Who said anything about military intervention?

See, most of the world sees this issue the same way. Form a consensus, goals and a manner in which to measure success or failure. Those that fail to meet the goals do not get to trade with the rest of the world.

I know. The next comments will be how it won't work. So the solution is not to try.
 
#113
#113
NorthDallas40 said:
So I guess we should set an example! Oh wait...

Look, with no treaty/accord/pinky promise hanging over us were leading the way. So we’re taking care of us. Since I’m really not inclined to listen to other countries telling us what to do (like a large number of Americans also) the reciprocal of that also holds true right?
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Thanks Obama for those job killing regulations.
 
#114
#114
ClearwaterVol said:
Who said anything about military intervention?

See, most of the world sees this issue the same way. Form a consensus, goals and a manner in which to measure success or failure. Those that fail to meet the goals do not get to trade with the rest of the world.

I know. The next comments will be how it won't work. So the solution is not to try.
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Look at post 107 and look what you quoted.

Now you want to simply not trade with China? Yeah, that’ll have positive impacts.
 
#115
#115
The best you can hope for is we do the "best" we can, and that's all we can do. and by best, we don't do things that hurt us.

We can't predict what is going to happen in the next 5 minutes, let alone years. To try and act like what we do, or aren't doing, and those effects is a meaningless task, as what is to come is unknown, and ultimately, no one gets a say in the result. The sun and universe are going to do what they will, and the Earth will do what it will, we need to get over our ego's and realize that control and ability to control change are infinitely out of our hands.

So, all we can do is try to do better, that's it, and we, the USA, can't control the billions of people on this planet and how they live or chose to live.

Unless you hold a gun to everyone's head or kill them, the above statement is the only one that matters realistically.
 
#118
#118
tumscalcium said:
Check the mirror.
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Nope, tariffs involve one country acting in its own perceived best interests. I am proposing a group of countries acting in the best interests of all punishing those that continue to harm the planet by acting solely in their own self interests.
 
#119
#119
ClearwaterVol said:
Who said anything about military intervention?

See, most of the world sees this issue the same way. Form a consensus, goals and a manner in which to measure success or failure. Those that fail to meet the goals do not get to trade with the rest of the world.

I know. The next comments will be how it won't work. So the solution is not to try.
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then why aren't they acting on it? maybe its just the southern man in me, but if I see an issue,, and there is something I can do about it, and its remotely my problem, I am not going to wait around until someone tells me to do it. I am going to get it done. I don't need a consensus, or the best possible solution. I just need it to work.
 
#120
#120
LouderVol said:
then why aren't they acting on it? maybe its just the southern man in me, but if I see an issue,, and there is something I can do about it, and its remotely my problem, I am not going to wait around until someone tells me to do it. I am going to get it done. I don't need a consensus, or the best possible solution. I just need it to work.
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Some problems require global agreement. I don't disagree with local action, but we are long past just setting the example.
 
#122
#122
ClearwaterVol said:
Nope, tariffs involve one country acting in its own perceived best interests. I am proposing a group of countries acting in the best interests of all punishing those that continue to harm the planet by acting solely in their own self interests.
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lulz. good luck with that. IF the USA is involved, it will be that WE are the ones that suffer under the onerous regulations, but at least we will get to pay the most.
 
#123
#123
SpaceCoastVol said:
lulz. good luck with that. IF the USA is involved, it will be that WE are the ones that suffer under the onerous regulations, but at least we will get to pay the most.
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But Trump should be able to use his tried and true strategies, as outlined in Art of the Deal, to address that problem.
 
#124
#124
ClearwaterVol said:
Nope, tariffs involve one country acting in its own perceived best interests. I am proposing a group of countries acting in the best interests of all punishing those that continue to harm the planet by acting solely in their own self interests.
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Meh. Not liking the mob mentality over this. Are we going to purchase and build “Clean” energy plants for poor countries that can’t afford it?
 
#125
#125
tumscalcium said:
Meh. Not liking the mob mentality over this. Are we going to purchase and build “Clean” energy plants for poor countries that can’t afford it?
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why do that? If they are polluting enough to cause alarm then they are exporting. No exports will cause them to invest in their own economy.
 
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