Climate Change Report

#126
#126
ClearwaterVol said:
why do that? If they are polluting enough to cause alarm then they are exporting. No exports will cause them to invest in their own economy.
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Not doing business with poor countries will help them?

Should we shut down all “Unclean” power plants here? Impose driving restrictions on citizens?
 
#128
#128
tumscalcium said:
Not doing business with poor countries will help them?

Should we shut down all “Unclean” power plants here? Impose driving restrictions on citizens?
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No, it will help the environment. No need to run unclean plants without buyers for the widgets they are producing.
 
#130
#130
ClearwaterVol said:
Some problems require global agreement. I don't disagree with local action, but we are long past just setting the example.
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global agreement is worth nothing. see the paris accords, china is given a free pass until after any of the deadlines that supposedly matter. there is no one size fits all fix. especially when you have China, and other bad actors, waiting to take advantage.
 
#132
#132
A decrease in greenhouse emissions is going to happen eventually. It’s just a question of whether nature wipes us out and puts an end to the Industrial Age, teaching anybody that is left a healthy respect for conservation, or whether we actually fix it proactively.

Safe money is on the former.
 
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#133
RockyTop85 said:
A decrease in greenhouse emissions is going to happen eventually. It’s just a question of whether nature wipes us out and puts an end to the Industrial Age, teaching anybody that is left a healthy respect for conservation, or whether we actually fix it proactively.

Safe money is on the former.
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oh it will be proactive. no doubt about that.
 
#134
#134
ClearwaterVol said:
But Trump should be able to use his tried and true strategies, as outlined in Art of the Deal, to address that problem.
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If it was worthwhile, I would suppose. But it isn't. There is nothing in it for us. Kind of like being a non smoker and saying to your aunt that smokes 8 packs a day that I will quit if she does.... but continuing to pay for her smokes.
 
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#136
#136
LouderVol said:
oh it will be proactive. no doubt about that.
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I don’t think so. Reversing climate change is not a light switch. It’s going to take time to slow down and change course. I think the false narrative that it was fake or junk science persisted for too long and is still believed by too many. Too many people, myself included, think it’s a long ways away, and are unwilling to reduce their standard of living to accommodate for it. (GMs cut the Volt in favor of their trucks and SUVs, right? Or was it th opposite? That at least shows their perception of the priorities of American consumers.)
 
#137
#137
RockyTop85 said:
I don’t think so. Reversing climate change is not a light switch. It’s going to take time to slow down and change course. I think the false narrative that it was fake or junk science persisted for too long and is still believed by too many. Too many people, myself included, think it’s a long ways away, and are unwilling to reduce their standard of living to accommodate for it. (GMs cut the Volt in favor of their trucks and SUVs, right? Or was it th opposite? That at least shows their perception of the priorities of American consumers.)
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I was shocked when I read it but apparently the largest market for SUVs is China? Can’t believe they would be driving Tahoes or Expeditions but that’s what it said.
 
#138
#138
It's hard, so don't bother. Should be the Republican mantra. Better Democrats though cause they ain't got a mantra
 
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#140
RockyTop85 said:
I don’t think so. Reversing climate change is not a light switch. It’s going to take time to slow down and change course. I think the false narrative that it was fake or junk science persisted for too long and is still believed by too many. Too many people, myself included, think it’s a long ways away, and are unwilling to reduce their standard of living to accommodate for it. (GMs cut the Volt in favor of their trucks and SUVs, right? Or was it th opposite? That at least shows their perception of the priorities of American consumers.)
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proactive in as much that it would have to be to have any chance to save the environment. at least according to what I have read. anything not proactive is just going to be dealing with the fallout.
 
#141
#141
Californians should be fined for polluting the air with all their fires. Funny how a big liberal state preaches about the environment but pollutes it more than any state.
But those straws are bad.
 
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#143
#143
ClearwaterVol said:
It's hard, so don't bother. Should be the Republican mantra. Better Democrats though cause they ain't got a mantra
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how about "its hard so lets stop talking and get stuck in"

meetings are the most worthless, least productive things imaginable. if you've got 10 people in a room its 9 people doing literally nothing and 1 person presenting what has already been done. we know what the techs are. we know how much we all need to cut, what is the purpose of another meeting but a feel good measure to make it seem like you are doing something when in fact you aren't.
 
#144
#144
tumscalcium said:
You just haven’t put a whole lot of thought into it. I have yet to hear specifically what we should do.
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I say world leaders should try to institute some meaningful change. Republicans seem to love to toss out this, "what would you do specifically?" bullsh!t. The first step is to get with scientists and figure out what goals need to be met, globally. Then figure out how we can meet those goals.
 
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#145
LouderVol said:
how about "its hard so lets stop talking and get stuck in"

meetings are the most worthless, least productive things imaginable. if you've got 10 people in a room its 9 people doing literally nothing and 1 person presenting what has already been done. we know what the techs are. we know how much we all need to cut, what is the purpose of another meeting but a feel good measure to make it seem like you are doing something when in fact you aren't.
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What is more worthless than meetings is a total lack of organization and focus.
 
#146
#146
ClearwaterVol said:
I say world leaders should try to institute some meaningful change. Republicans seem to love to toss out this, "what would you do specifically?" bullsh!t. The first step is to get with scientists and figure out what goals need to be met, globally. Then figure out how we can meet those goals.
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You’re solution is “Do something”.

My question is exactly what should be done and you think that’s BS. Ok..........

Um. That’s whats been happening. We need to change and our economy be damned. China, India, others don’t. For 12 more years. Great.
 
#147
#147
ClearwaterVol said:
I say world leaders should try to institute some meaningful change. Republicans seem to love to toss out this, "what would you do specifically?" bullsh!t. The first step is to get with scientists and figure out what goals need to be met, globally. Then figure out how we can meet those goals.
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I’d submit the first step is to get the scientists to agree on a method of evaluation on the change over time and the estimated impacts of the proposed changes. The lack of the “science” holding up to scrutiny goes a long way to it discrediting itself.
 
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#149
ClearwaterVol said:
I say world leaders should try to institute some meaningful change. Republicans seem to love to toss out this, "what would you do specifically?" bullsh!t. The first step is to get with scientists and figure out what goals need to be met, globally. Then figure out how we can meet those goals.
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I don't think you would get 100 scientist to agree on what those goals should be and how to reach them.

But just for shizz and giggles, let's say that you do find a consensus but it's an economy wrecker that hurts the poor and middle class for years. What then?
 
#150
#150
hog88 said:
I don't think you would get 100 scientist to agree on what those goals should be and how to reach them.

But just for shizz and giggles, let's say that you do find a consensus but it's an economy wrecker that hurts the poor and middle class for years. What then?
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Still gotta do it. We have been listening to the right for years tell us this was going to wreck the economy. It is going to do a lot more than that if we keep on being selfish pricks. My personal opinion is that it will simply create new industries.
 
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