Climate Change Report

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MontyPython said:
Do you really need 100% agreement on something... anything... before you would take action? Of course not. Even citing your examples, you couldn't get 100% agreement that the Earth is round today.

This subject is well-researched. There is no secret cabal of scheming scientists merrily lining their pockets with taxpayers' money, while laughing behind our backs. Come on, man.

It sounds like you're mostly up to speed on this issue, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize it's a real problem that we've created.

The Causes of Climate Change
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MontyPython said:
And this differs from the private sector how?

Dude, your whole premise that scientists have somehow concocted this is pure fantasy and nothing more than conspiracist fodder.
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You are correct, I misspoke. 100% agreement on theory would slow the discovery aspect science, probably tenfold.

Let me rephrase. Cite the study scientist have conducted to confirm what percentage humans contribute to climate change. Given that there have cycles of the earth cooling and warming, over a period of tens of thousands of years and that the majority of scientists who study the subject agree on, it would be nearly impossible to have data for less than 1% of that time and make a significant finding...the caveat being "nearly".
Climatologist are working on a period of time, I believe its 300-500 years worth of hard documented data, to predict what has already happened numerous times over a much larger period of time. And we already know that the earth is in an unprecedented warming cycle of about 12,000 years.(there is a theory that this is exactly why humans have flourished recently). It's not difficult to say Climate change is real, Hopefully we can all agree on it. The question is...what is the best way to stave off inevitability, how much and in what way does human activity contribute.

As far as scientists go. No, there is not a cabal that is wringing there hands with laughter at the taxpayer expense. However, many universities are government funded entities. If you choose Acedemics as a profession, want to be tenured and want to be tenured at a university that can help you justify the student loans to get that PhD, you conduct research in a line that will provide interest and buzz, to top tiered journals. I could go on and on about the fallacies of academic research and what subjects journals will turn down, even from top scientists in thier field, because its deemed "controversial" or "not in line with our values".

By the way, they two questions cited in the survey that produced the 98% argument.

1. Do you agree that climate change is a real phenomenon

2. Do you believe human activity contributes to climate change.

There was never a significant non-binary question on the subject in the survey. And the survey was also sent to a wide range of scientists, not just climatologist.

About 15 years ago a Dr. penned a bogus article about the nutritional benefit of dark chocolate, you may have heard of the benefits by reading one of the numerous articles or seeing it on a commercial. It was published in a checkout counter magazine and generated an enormous amount of buzz. He did this to prove a point and he came clean about his research, that pointed out there was no evidence whatsoever that dark chocolate had a nutritional benifit. Even though he came clean, publicly, others picked up on the " benefits" and printed articles for many years touting the falsehood. It proved his point beyond doubt, that if enough money is involved, and a career is on the line, you can get people to do some pretty unscrupulous things. I intentionally use "people" because sometimes we forget scientist are still people and suffer the same affliction as the rest of us humans.
So yeah, it happens.

Climate change is real, we should discuss it openly and freely without the persecution for different points of view. Thats the only way a resolution will be found.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I don't believe that we have much, if any effect on climate change. We do trash the place up, though.
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I wonder about it as well. I kinda look at it from an empty domed stadium in cool weather aspect. We are pretty much in a dome and it would make sense that, like a domed stadium, the temperature goes up as more people enter. We are also constantly building things that either radiate heat or gather and retain heat from the sunlight.
I can remember walking barefoot on warm pavement in the cool night air when I was a kid, it felt good to step out of the cool wet grass. I have not studied or researched it at all, but given the controversy surrounding carbon emissions...seems at least plausible. I'm not making any conclusions here!!! Just sharing passing thoughts.
 
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utvolpj said:
So you believe there are zero changes happening to the environment and/or climate?
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It goes back and forth as history has shown. Just pay attention to history man and not just the most recent stuff. These guys can't predict the weather a week from now and expect us to believe what they are predicting 50 years out. Homie Please .
 
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MontyPython said:
And this differs from the private sector how?

Dude, your whole premise that scientists have somehow concocted this is pure fantasy and nothing more than conspiracist fodder.
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That has not been my point at all. Quick making stuff up.

It can all be true, which I pretty much agree with, while scientists are still making gobs of money off of it. It's actually the simplest answer, but it doesnt mean they arent making money. Which is my point.

Try understanding what you are reading before making an argument.
 
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BigOrangeD said:
It goes back and forth as history has shown. Just pay attention to history man and not just the most recent stuff. These guys can't predict the weather a week from now and expect us to believe what they are predicting 50 years out. Homie Please .
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Right but you basically said it was completely made up. So it's either happening or it's not and you've claimed both in your last couple of posts.

Regardless if it's man made, man aided or natural it has the ability to completely reshape our world. Why ignore it in favor of useless political games?
 
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utvolpj said:
Right but you basically said it was completely made up. So it's either happening or it's not and you've claimed both in your last couple of posts.

Regardless if it's man made, man aided or natural it has the ability to completely reshape our world. Why ignore it in favor of useless political games?
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No need to hound someone because they used hyperbole.
How about if he said man made climate change is bunk?

I do think man can affect the carbon cycle, which can affect temp, but that the effect is limited. Plus, I don’t see that we should punish ourselves when the real offenders are doing nothing.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I don't believe that we have much, if any effect on climate change. We do trash the place up, though.
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I believe that we do, I believe that we are cleaner in the US than we have been, I believe that we are doing things to get cleaner........There are less than 400 million people here. The entire world burns fossil fuels. I do what I can, but I am damned if I want one more cent of my tax dollars going to another "Green" project in the US. We should be prepared for the sea level rise here in the US and let the rest of the world drown. I know that's harsh and short sighted, but instead of screeching about climate change ad nauseum, figure out how to MAKE the rest of the world make at least the effort we are.
 
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utvolpj said:
Right but you basically said it was completely made up. So it's either happening or it's not and you've claimed both in your last couple of posts.

Regardless if it's man made, man aided or natural it has the ability to completely reshape our world. Why ignore it in favor of useless political games?
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If it is a natural occurrence, there isn't a damn thing we can do but get ready. If it's man aided, then maybe we can slow it, but we aren't going to stop it. If it's man made, then I go back to my post above.
 
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utvolpj said:
Right but you basically said it was completely made up. So it's either happening or it's not and you've claimed both in your last couple of posts.

Regardless if it's man made, man aided or natural it has the ability to completely reshape our world. Why ignore it in favor of useless political games?
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OK. You got me on a technicality. I think you know what I mean. The Global Alarmism is BS. How's dat?

God's got this. Real Global Warming will come one day. I plan on being in Heaven when it happens. How about you brother?
 
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1972 Grad said:
Whatever. Everybody has a theory, I guess.
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This is actually pulled from the Scripture. It's God's Word. In reference to the Lake of Fire that is.

2nd Peter 3:5 - 3:7
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
 
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BigOrangeD said:
This is actually pulled from the Scripture. It's God's Word. In reference to the Lake of Fire that is.

2nd Peter 3:5 - 3:7
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
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I'm not a religious person, but I think that people should be free to believe whatever they want .
 
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Persian Vol said:
Oh that’s completely false. You can continue to believe this in your head, but to say that there are enough boats in this world to displace the entirety of the oceans sea level to a meaningful degree is absolutely untrue.
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Whether the volume displaced by all the boats on the world’s oceans even factors into sea levels is one thing. But more relevant to the climate discussion is how that number might be changing over time.
 
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RavinDave said:
Whether the volume displaced by all the boats on the world’s oceans even factors into sea levels is one thing. But more relevant to the climate discussion is how that number might be changing over time.
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Don't forget that the actual earth sinks as well and is often mistaken as sea level rise.
 
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