Closing strong in the portal

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WaywardVol said:
I’m speaking strictly from the front four. Garner had a first round pick at DE, and it certianly didn’t look that way on Saturdays. Of course we had a lot of sacks, because our defense played so many more possessions than other teams. Law of averages. efficiency is what matters.
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Garner doesn’t coordinate the defense that repeatedly couldn’t get off the field on 3rd and 4th down.
 
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#106
1989Vol said:
BY had no sacks vs UF, Bama, SC or Georgia so his stats really mean squat.
We just awarded a man $9 mil a year who thinks he's going to build a championship team with mercenaries.
Ask TCU how that worked out.
With a few transfer exceptions we need to recruit better and develope our own talent/depth.
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Idiotic comment. How many have we actually brought in via the portal? We were upside down on just raw numbers when Heupel came in. We’re in year two.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Garner doesn’t coordinate the defense that repeatedly couldn’t get off the field on 3rd and 4th down.
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The problems on defense affect all three levels. Banks is going to be out of excuses after this year. Im not against Garner, but I don’t think he deserves the throne many place him on. Especially when it comes to pass rush. As I said, Rocker was best d line coach I’ve seen here in a long while. Probably since Dan Brooks.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Im sure the lack of pass rush stats had nothing to do with the fact that App State probably had a better secondary than we did last year.
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Which isn’t excusable. I went back and looked at the roster and you’d have to have the worst bust rate in the country based on rankings. I think scheme and coaching was equally to blame for problems.
 
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1989Vol said:
Congrats! 2.5 sacks against a team we destroyed. And don't try and convince me that we just beat a CFB juggernaut in the Orange Bowl. BY had zero sacks in the 2 games we got our butts kicked and zero against Bama. I agree you have to give your staff "a little time" to build but that doesn't seem to apply to contracts now does it? Its insane to boost Heupel's pay to $9 mil a season when he hasn't delivered a championship. In my world, "close" doesn't cut it, we got embarrassed in Athens and in Columbia. Do you think that deserves a reward? Good Lord man.
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Can someone who follows this tell me if this is this a troll account?

Personally, I’m relatively happy w/11 wins & going 4-2 against the Final Top 25.
 
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WilcoVolsFan said:
Can someone who follows this tell me if this is this a troll account?

Personally, I’m relatively happy w/11 wins & going 4-2 against the Final Top 25.
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What a loser, undefeated and unscored on is the only acceptable outcome. There are lots of coaches getting it done, we just need to go get'em!

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WaywardVol said:
The problems on defense affect all three levels. Banks is going to be out of excuses after this year. Im not against Garner, but I don’t think he deserves the throne many place him on. Especially when it comes to pass rush. As I said, Rocker was best d line coach I’ve seen here in a long while. Probably since Dan Brooks.
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You’ll get no argument from me about Rocker he’s a stud.
 
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1989Vol said:
Congrats! 2.5 sacks against a team we destroyed. And don't try and convince me that we just beat a CFB juggernaut in the Orange Bowl. BY had zero sacks in the 2 games we got our butts kicked and zero against Bama. I agree you have to give your staff "a little time" to build but that doesn't seem to apply to contracts now does it? Its insane to boost Heupel's pay to $9 mil a season when he hasn't delivered a championship. In my world, "close" doesn't cut it, we got embarrassed in Athens and in Columbia. Do you think that deserves a reward? Good Lord man.
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It never ceases to amaze me what lunacy some of our fans will come up with. Not even a good troll attempt. We haven’t come close to a year like we just had in more that 15 years. Have you ever heard the term “Supply and Demand”? In a world where a Lane Kiffin and Mike Stoops can get $9 million a year, we had to upgrade Heupel’s contract. If we didn’t, someone else would. It is that simple. And Josh is nowhere close to Kiffin in terms of relying on the portal to build a team. It strikes me that we haven’t been near as active as other teams.
 
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WaywardVol said:
The problems on defense affect all three levels. Banks is going to be out of excuses after this year. Im not against Garner, but I don’t think he deserves the throne many place him on. Especially when it comes to pass rush. As I said, Rocker was best d line coach I’ve seen here in a long while. Probably since Dan Brooks.
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With regards to x's and o's maybe. Part of a DL coaches job is also recruiting and Garner kills Rocker in that area.
 
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When ole Walt Nole bolted for TAMU, I said he's coming back home. Unless Deon Neon gets in his ear, he will be a Vol.
 
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1989Vol said:
Congrats! 2.5 sacks against a team we destroyed. And don't try and convince me that we just beat a CFB juggernaut in the Orange Bowl. BY had zero sacks in the 2 games we got our butts kicked and zero against Bama. I agree you have to give your staff "a little time" to build but that doesn't seem to apply to contracts now does it? Its insane to boost Heupel's pay to $9 mil a season when he hasn't delivered a championship. In my world, "close" doesn't cut it, we got embarrassed in Athens and in Columbia. Do you think that deserves a reward? Good Lord man.
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You’re right. We should go back to 4-8 and firing coaches every three years, ‘cause that’s so much more fun! In fact, we should vacate the wins against #20 FLA (at the time), #25 LSU, #17 Pitt, #3 ALABAMA and #7 Clemson….just to make ourselves feel better. UGA is THAT good. Two NC’s in a row. SCar loss is a mystery and sucks, but you have to look at the season as a whole. EVERY single program and coach has losses that are inexplicable at times. Saban lost to Louisiana Monroe in his first year. Bama should have never given him a raise, right? 11-2 in year TWO, but you think Heupel is worth less than what Stoops and Kiffin are making and doesn’t deserve a raise to be on par with coaches that aren’t half the football mind that Heupel is. That’s brilliant. By that logic, few coaches if any would ever get a raise. Yeah, how long do you think Heupel sticks around with a pretty inexpensive buyout in todays world if Danny White & Co. didn’t reward him for a great season?? He would hit the door with $9M plus waiting for him somewhere else if UT snubbed him as you’re suggesting. Then we’re right back to the 4-8 seasons you’re longing for again. Can’t believe you’re running down BY. Despite double teams and offenses running away from BY, he should still have, I don’t know, 6-8 sacks per game? Cripes almighty, dude.
 
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1989Vol said:
BY had no sacks vs UF, Bama, SC or Georgia so his stats really mean squat.
We just awarded a man $9 mil a year who thinks he's going to build a championship team with mercenaries.
Ask TCU how that worked out.
With a few transfer exceptions we need to recruit better and develope our own talent/depth.
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A) Heupel has been criticized by some for not being aggressive enough in the portal. Yet here you are saying he "thinks he's going to build a championship team with mercenaries." Heupel has been intentionally picky in the portal because he wants a good culture fit (i.e., the opposite of "mercenaries"), which has led to many on this board complaining that he's not being aggressive enough.

B) "Hey TCU, how did 'that' work out?" (whatever "that" is)

"Well, we just went to the National Championship Game in our coach's first season."

"Okay, thanks."

Some of y'all just look for things to criticize. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 
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1989Vol said:
We just awarded a man $9 mil a year who thinks he's going to build a championship team with mercenaries.
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That's a false statement. Heupel hasn't been as active in the portal as a lot of coaches and appears to have a strong preference for evaluating his own recruits, signing them, then developing them. However no program can ignore the portal. It is a no brainer to take a player that has already demonstrated that they can perform at the college level over a HS recruit that may fail for a number of reasons including missing his mommy.

Heupel has been pretty balanced in his approach and appears to guard his culture whether he's looking at HS, JUCO, or portal.

And do you really have a problem now with paying a coach his market value? UT struggled for how long hiring one bad coach after another? Didn't Fulmer get an extension and raise right at the end? Heupel was rewarded in part for what he accomplished... but mostly because other programs are licking their chops at the prospects of stealing him.

Ask TCU how that worked out.
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UGA came ready to play some games and went sleep walking through others. After amazingly going into the OSU game overconfident and flat, they played their best game of the year vs TCU.

But how did it work out for TCU otherwise? Played in the NC game. Beat OU, Texas, and Michigan on the way. All in all a pretty good year for a program that seemed to be in decline prior to the coaching change. They were 23-24 in the 4 years prior to 2022. That's a turn around I imagine they're happy with.
With a few transfer exceptions we need to recruit better and develope our own talent/depth.
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Oddly you are criticizing Heupel for following that exact program. I believe they signed 25 HS players so far, right?
 
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#125
WaywardVol said:
Our pass rush was terrible. Garner is very well regarded. I was impressed with our run defense, but can’t say I’ve seen the D line fulfill its potential rushing the passer. The stats support me.

Tracy Rocker was the best D line coach we’ve had here in a while and that Idiot Pruitt ran him off. His consolation is getting ready to play in a Super Bowl.
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We were one of the best in the country at minus yardage plays. We had many sacks and more pressures. You obviously didn’t watch the same team most of us did. Garner has gotten the most out of our players and coaches them up. Garner is one of the best in the business. We have gotten better at D since he got here and will continue to get better. GBO
 
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