Coach Franklin Please explain the love for this guy

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Lawrence Wright said:
Vandy almost beat us in 96. We usually played them the week after UGA, and we didn't get juiced to play them.

Fred Vinson and Corey Chavous locked down Reidel Anthony and Ike Hilliard like no one I've ever seen.
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so by current metrics applied to Vandy football they were better in 96 than they are now. The question in the OP still stands
 
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Volrog said:
You're right, I just don't get it. If you think that Vandy hasn't softened their OOC schedule and admissions for him you are mistaken. He's done a good job and he'll get a better job, but I contend he caught the SEC east at the right time while avoiding the best of the SEC west. He better get out while he can because he's taken Vandy about as far as it can go.
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How did he catch the SEC East at the right time? Mizzou and USC in 2013 are mirror images of UF and UT from the 90s. Mizzou's playing for the SEC title, in the conversation for a nationl title shot, and South Carolina is in the Top 10.

I agree Franklin can only take Vandy so far, and I maintain the cream puffs you're being critical of today would have beaten some of those Widenhoffer and DiNardo abominations in years past.

But let's keep it on point. The OP didn't understand why Franklin is getting so much love, and I've provided more that enough ammunition for him and anyone else who's paying attention.

I understand if you don't like the man, but if you really can't wrap yourself around why he's being considered for bigger jobs, then you simply don't want to understand.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
How did he catch the SEC East at the right time? Mizzou and USC in 2013 are mirror images of UF and UT from the 90s. Mizzou's playing for the SEC title, and South Carolina is in the Top 10.
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UF and UT of the 90's would win the current SECE in a landslide. If 2013 UT can beat USCe then I have no doubt UT of the 90's could
 
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utvolpj said:
UF and UT of the 90's would win the current SECE in a landslide. If 2013 UT can beat USCe then I have no doubt UT of the 90's could
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The SEC East is better, top-to-bottom right now than it was during the 90s. While the East had the two best teams in the league, the other 4 ranged from mediocre to complete garbage. Vandy is getting to 8 wins while playing better teams in conference.
 
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bamawriter said:
The SEC East is better, top-to-bottom right now than it was during the 90s. While the East had the two best teams in the league, the other 4 ranged from mediocre to complete garbage. Vandy is getting to 8 wins while playing better teams in conference.
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the top was better in the 90's. Beating UGA, UF and UT this season is nice but not the accomplishment it's being made out to be. The SECw is stronger right now
 
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utvolpj said:
UF and UT of the 90's would win the current SECE in a landslide. If 2013 UT can beat USCe then I have no doubt UT of the 90's could
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I'm not arguing otherwise.

Do you think the SEC East is more competitive now than it was in the 90s?
 
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utvolpj said:
the top was better in the 90's. Beating UGA, UF and UT this season is nice but not the accomplishment it's being made out to be. The SECw is stronger right now
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I missed where I pointed out a particular Vanderbilt win to be a some sort of accomplishment.

I'm looking at the entire body of work, relative to Vandy's past history.

That's it.

And yes the SEC West is stronger now top to bottom than the East, without question.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I missed where I pointed out a particular Vanderbilt win to be a some sort of accomplishment.

I'm looking at the entire body of work, relative to Vandy's past history.

That's it.

And yes the SEC West is stronger now top to bottom than the East, without question.
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and like I said earlier, I would put their 96 season as more impressive than this one. They were more competitive with better teams
 
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utvolpj said:
so by current metrics applied to Vandy football they were better in 96 than they are now. The question in the OP still stands
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What metrics are those?

Vandy won 2 games in 1996, so that SEC East separation you talked about really didnt help Vandy in that particular season.
 
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utvolpj said:
and like I said earlier, I would put their 96 season as more impressive than this one. They were more competitive with better teams
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There were also shut out 3 times (including a 25-0 loss to UK), went 0-8 in conference play and only managed wins against North Texas and USB.

But sure, that 1996 team would wipe the floor with Franklin's 2013 squad. :good!:
 
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GoDucks349 said:
Perhaps you didn't understand what "ANY" means. As in ANY BCS school. I consider Vandy a BCS school of course if you are saying not all schools in the SEC are BCS schools that's up to you.

You think Franklin is such a great coach, do you think he'd have won 8 games this year if he'd been head coach at Florida?
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You need helping moving that goal post to the 50 yard line? Now we're playing the "what if" game. :eek:lol:

I missed where I posted Franklin is a great coach.

I simply gave you evidence that his accomplishments at Vanderbilt warrant consideration from major CFB programs, hence the "love" you're questioning.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I don't think anyone is suggesting that playing Ole Miss is the same as playing Alabama, or that Vandy has a tougher West schedule than Tennessee.

I'm comparing Vandy under Franklin versus Vandy prior to Franklin's arrival, in an attempt to help the OP understand why Franklin "gets so much love", only he doesn't want to understand.

Using your Ole Miss example, Vandy trails the all-time series against Ole Miss by nine games, and that's after Vandy won the first NINETEEN games from 1894-1928.

Since then, Vandy's had the following losing/winless streaks against Ole Miss:
19 games (0-17-2) from 1952-1973
6 games from 1975-1980
6 games from 1985-1990
6 games from 1993-1998
5 games from 2000-2004

Conversely, since 1928 Vandy's longest winning streak against Ole Miss is THREE games, and its only happened twice....from 1949-1951 and 2010-2012.

Ole Miss owns Vandy, like many other SEC schools. But playing Vandy under Frankin is anything but the automatic "W" it used to be.
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And I'm saying that there have been a few other Vandy coaches to do what he has done. He did it in back-to-back years so there are a few here crowning him like he's some god.

Like I said earlier, he is doing what should've been done years/decades ago. Why was it not done before? Because they didn't have the admin support that they have now. It didn't hurt that they've relaxed their entrance requirements either. Anyone that suggests otherwise is full of sh*t and they don't know the true story. Frank wouldn't/couldn't be recruiting from the same cesspool as the rest of the SEC if they didn't.

Since 2005, Vandy is 6-3 against Ole Miss. They have beaten them 4 times in that span before Frank even got on campus. So, while you throw out streaks from the 50's, Ole Miss is still a traditional average team at best. Who would you rather face each year from the West if you needed a W? Bama, Auburn, LSU or Ole Miss? I think most rational people would know the answer to that.

And Mizzou and USCjr is nowhere near the teams that Fla and UT were in the 90's. Those teams won 2 national titles in that decade and they played in 2 others. Mizzou and USCjr would be lucky if they even made a title game.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
And I'm saying that there have been a few other Vandy coaches to do what he has done. He did it in back-to-back years so there are a few here crowning him like he's some god.

Like I said earlier, he is doing what should've been done years/decades ago. Why was it not done before? Because they didn't have the admin support that they have now. It didn't hurt that they've relaxed their entrance requirements either. Anyone that suggests otherwise is full of sh*t and they don't know the true story. Frank wouldn't/couldn't be recruiting from the same cesspool as the rest of the SEC if they didn't.

Since 2005, Vandy is 6-3 against Ole Miss. They have beaten them 4 times in that span before Frank even got on campus. So, while you throw out streaks from the 50's, Ole Miss is still a traditional average team at best. Who would you rather face each year from the West if you needed a W? Bama, Auburn, LSU or Ole Miss? I think most rational people would know the answer to that.

And Mizzou and USCjr is nowhere near the teams that Fla and UT were in the 90's. Those teams won 2 national titles in that decade and they played in 2 others. Mizzou and USCjr would be lucky if they even made a title game.
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Simple question:

Do you think James Franklin has done enough at Vanderbilt to warrant consideration from a major FBS program?

Yes or no.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
You need helping moving that goal post to the 50 yard line? Now we're playing the "what if" game. :eek:lol:

I missed where I posted Franklin is a great coach.

I simply gave you evidence that his accomplishments at Vanderbilt warrant consideration from major CFB programs, hence the "love" you're questioning.
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That's a fair comment about the "what if" game. As for a couple good years at Vandy warranting a major job at a major program if he puts together 4 or 5 like that then yes.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Simple question:

Do you think James Franklin has done enough at Vanderbilt to warrant consideration from a major FBS program?

Yes or no.
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No.... Not yet as I said earlier, he needs a bigger resume of consistent 9 or 10 win seasons. Certainly something better than a 60% career win record.
 
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GoDucks349 said:
That's a fair comment about the "what if" game. As for a couple good years at Vandy warranting a major job at a major program if he puts together 4 or 5 like that then yes.
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So we're back to Franklin needing to accomplish what's never been done at Vanderbilt...ever...before you deem him worthy of a bigger CFB job.

At least you're consistent.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Simple question:

Do you think James Franklin has done enough at Vanderbilt to warrant consideration from a major FBS program?

Yes or no.
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Yes I do. I never argued against that.

My argument is that what he has done has been done before and he has not beaten that great of teams. What he has done more consistently than the other Vandy coaches is beat the bad to average teams that they would lose to more often and take advantage of the low hanging fruit (UT being down and Fla and UGA being crippled with injuries). Rarely did a Vandy coach take advantage of a traditional power that was down. They usually still had enough talent to beat Vandy. Not anymore. Johnson should get a lot of credit too though. Most of Frank's W's have come with talent that Johnson signed.

It will be interesting to see if he strikes the iron while it's hot and leaves or does he think he can do better than 8 wins. The SEC is only getting better. UT will not be down forever and is set to sign one of their best classes ever. Fla will not be down like it is this year. UGA will not have the injuries they had this year. USCjr will always be competitive as long as Spurrier is there. He is recruiting well but he is still recruiting behind most of the SEC.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
Yes I do. I never argued against that.

My argument is that what he has done has been done before and he has not beaten that great of teams. What he has done more consistently than the other Vandy coaches is beat the bad to average teams that they would lose to more often and take advantage of the low hanging fruit (UT being down and Fla and UGA being crippled with injuries). Rarely did a Vandy coach take advantage of a traditional power that was down. They usually still had enough talent to beat Vandy. Not anymore. Johnson should get a lot of credit too though. Most of Frank's W's have come with talent that Johnson signed.

It will be interesting to see if he strikes the iron while it's hot and leaves or does he think he can do better than 8 wins. The SEC is only getting better. UT will not be down forever and is set to sign one of their best classes ever. Fla will not be down like it is this year. UGA will not have the injuries they had this year. USCjr will always be competitive as long as Spurrier is there. He is recruiting well but he is still recruiting behind most of the SEC.
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That's for the response. We agree more than we disagree.

Vandy is winning games they've historically lost, period.

UF, UT and UGA won't be down forever, so I don't expect Franklin to stick around Nashville much longer. His window of opportunity is about a good as it gets right now.
 
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GoDucks349 said:
No.... Not yet as I said earlier, he needs a bigger resume of consistent 9 or 10 win seasons. Certainly something better than a 60% career win record.
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Given your logic and unreasonable expectations, Steve Spurrier should have NEVER been a candidate for the Florida job 20+ years ago.

SOS only won 8 games his last season at Duke...Duck Boy is not impressed. :eek:lol:
 
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