Coach Franklin Please explain the love for this guy

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VFL44 said:
It was from Vandy. That not a good thing.
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I can accept losing on the last play of the game playing a true freshman QB in his 3rd start and basically having zero passing game and knowing that the roster is not up to our regular standards. UT still should've won that game though IMO. They put themselves in position to win. I can't/won't accept what happened last year when the roster/talent was much better.
 
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utvolpj said:
they performed better against better competition
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Lawrence Wright said:
There were also shut out 3 times (including a 25-0 loss to UK), went 0-8 in conference play and only managed wins against North Texas and USB.

But sure, that 1996 team would wipe the floor with Franklin's 2013 squad. :good!:
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PJ's assertion made me curious. Looking at the three best seasons of recent Vandy coaches and comparing the opposition to Franklin's (not counting 1-AA):

Franklin:
2011 -
5 wins, avg. MOV 22.6 pts, opponents' win pct .344
7 losses, avg. MOL 11.1 pts, opponents' win pct .733

2012-
8 wins, avg. MOV 20.3 pts, opponents' win pct .357
4 losses, avg. MOL 18.25 pts, opponent' win pct .830

2013 (pre-bowl)-
7 wins, avg. MOV 12.6 pts, opponents' win pct .306
4 losses, avg. MOL 17.3 pts, opponents' win pct .750


Johnson:
2008-
7 wins, avg. MOV 8.6 pts, opponents' win pct .544
6 losses, avg. MOL 11.2 pts, opponents' win pct .579

2007-
4 wins, avg. MOV 14.8 pts, opponents' win pct .388
7 losses, avg. MOL 13.4 pts, opponent's win pct .685

2005-
4 wins, avg. MOV 5.0 pts, opponents' win pct .364
6 losses, avg. MOL 11.0 pts, opponents' win pct .611


DiNardo:
1991-
5 wins, avg. MOV 9.8 pts, opponents' win pct .393
6 losses, avg. MOL 18.5 pts, opponents' win pct .647

1994
4 wins, avg. MOV 15.5 pts, opponents' win pct .286
6 losses, avg. MOL 22.8 pts, opponents' win pct .634

1992
4 wins, avg. MOV 15.0 pts, opponents' win pct .356
7 losses, avg. MOL 16.1 pts, opponents' win pct .707


Make of that what you will.
 
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bamawriter said:
How did previous Vandy coaches do against similar opposition?
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I'm not sure anyone is saying that Vandy isn't performing better. Some of us are saying that Franklin needs more than what he has on his resume before some of the premier jobs in the league are offered him. I think we're seeing the hirings at USC, Washington, etc that perhaps we aren't the only ones that think so.

Again: "Well, he's supposed to lose to everyone with a heartbeat" isn't necessarily the hook that ADs want to hang their hats on. It's really not as complicated as a lot of the discussion in here is trying to make it appear.

You've already said that Franklin has been very fortunate in his SEC scheduling, by the way.

I would foresee Franklin taking a similar route to a premier job as most coaches take. Prove a little at a place like Vandy, or at a very low Div 1 program. Prove a little more at an upgraded job. Maybe move up again. Then you get consideration for a Texas, USC, etc...

What I don't see happening is: "Beat two teams with a winning record" == USC, Texas, etc are beating down your door with contracts in hand.
 
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bamawriter said:
PJ's assertion made me curious. Looking at the three best seasons of recent Vandy coaches and comparing the opposition to Franklin's (not counting 1-AA):

Franklin:
2011 -
5 wins, avg. MOV 22.6 pts, opponents' win pct .344
7 losses, avg. MOL 11.1 pts, opponents' win pct .733

2012-
8 wins, avg. MOV 20.3 pts, opponents' win pct .357
4 losses, avg. MOL 18.25 pts, opponent' win pct .830

2013 (pre-bowl)-
7 wins, avg. MOV 12.6 pts, opponents' win pct .306
4 losses, avg. MOL 17.3 pts, opponents' win pct .750


Johnson:
2008-
7 wins, avg. MOV 8.6 pts, opponents' win pct .544
6 losses, avg. MOL 11.2 pts, opponents' win pct .579

2007-
4 wins, avg. MOV 14.8 pts, opponents' win pct .388
7 losses, avg. MOL 13.4 pts, opponent's win pct .685

2005-
4 wins, avg. MOV 5.0 pts, opponents' win pct .364
6 losses, avg. MOL 11.0 pts, opponents' win pct .611


DiNardo:
1991-
5 wins, avg. MOV 9.8 pts, opponents' win pct .393
6 losses, avg. MOL 18.5 pts, opponents' win pct .647

1994
4 wins, avg. MOV 15.5 pts, opponents' win pct .286
6 losses, avg. MOL 22.8 pts, opponents' win pct .634

1992
4 wins, avg. MOV 15.0 pts, opponents' win pct .356
7 losses, avg. MOL 16.1 pts, opponents' win pct .707


Make of that what you will.
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So, if we compare Franklin to Johnson: Franklin has won against teams that win less often, and he's lost to teams that win more often?

So, he's won more often against worst competition and he's lost less often against better competition? But, considering the overall winning percentage, compared to the opponent's winning percentages, I guess that mean's Franklin is playing more teams with lower winning percentage (due to the fact that he's beating more teams, but these increased number of wins are against teams with lower winning %s.)

Pretty much sounds like what a lot on here have been saying: Franklin has won more, but his wins are against softer schedules. He's lost less, but still hasn't gotten good enough to beat better teams.

So, Vandy is maybe just a little less of a doormat, but they are still a doormat.

Not sure this is the ringing endorsement for the UF, USC, Texas job that many are crowing about.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
So, if we compare Franklin to Johnson: Franklin has won against teams that win less often, and he's lost to teams that win more often?

So, he's won more often against worst competition and he's lost less often against better competition? But, considering the overall winning percentage, compared to the opponent's winning percentages, I guess that mean's Franklin is playing more teams with lower winning percentage (due to the fact that he's beating more teams, but these increased number of wins are against teams with lower winning %s.)

Pretty much sounds like what a lot on here have been saying: Franklin has won more, but his wins are against softer schedules. He's lost less, but still hasn't gotten good enough to beat better teams.

So, Vandy is maybe just a little less of a doormat, but they are still a doormat.

Not sure this is the ringing endorsement for the UF, USC, Texas job that many are crowing about.
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Fair point, and I've been careful with my words so there's no confusion.

In my opinion, James Franklin's resume to this point warrants consideration from major FBS programs. It doesn't guarantee him a job at a major FBS program.

The longer he stays at Vandy, the lower his stock drops...because it's Vandy. The resources aren't in place to win there consistently.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
So, if we compare Franklin to Johnson: Franklin has won against teams that win less often, and he's lost to teams that win more often?

So, he's won more often against worst competition and he's lost less often against better competition? But, considering the overall winning percentage, compared to the opponent's winning percentages, I guess that mean's Franklin is playing more teams with lower winning percentage (due to the fact that he's beating more teams, but these increased number of wins are against teams with lower winning %s.)

Pretty much sounds like what a lot on here have been saying: Franklin has won more, but his wins are against softer schedules. He's lost less, but still hasn't gotten good enough to beat better teams.

So, Vandy is maybe just a little less of a doormat, but they are still a doormat.

Not sure this is the ringing endorsement for the UF, USC, Texas job that many are crowing about.
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As I said earlier, he has beaten the average to bad teams more consistently and beaten the traditional teams that were down. That usually didn't happen in the past. If UGA has Gurley this year and if Fla isn't a MASH unit, Vandy wins 6 games IMO. UT was also one play away from beating them too. If UT had Worley that may have been enough to win the game. Who knows. We had zero passing game with Dobbs in there after he threw the two early picks. Franklin's best win is against an UGA team that was smarting from injuries. I think just having Gurley back would've been the difference in that game.

Mizzou and A & M (who had an awful defense) completely dominated them. Mizzou is really good with Franklin at QB. They beat up a lot of people. A & M was good on offense but their defense was terrible and Vandy couldn't take advantage of that.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Given your logic and unreasonable expectations, Steve Spurrier should have NEVER been a candidate for the Florida job 20+ years ago.

SOS only won 8 games his last season at Duke...Duck Boy is not impressed. :eek:lol:
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In the 13 years PRIOR to Spurrier arriving, Florida had two very good in conference records and they'd been very average the four years prior to Spurrier arriving.

It's not like Florida was on the same level with Michigan, Texas, Bama, Tenn, Penn St, USC... etc prior to Spurrier arriving.

I tried to be nice earlier, yet you seem bent on cheap shots. Ok, here's a cheap shot for you that you'll understand, totally tongue in cheek....

What I said about Florida needing to play some OOC games OUTSIDE of Florida, well after seeing how well you competed with Georgia Southern, maybe you SHOULD stick to playing ONLY Florida teams in OOC games.
 
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GoDucks349 said:
In the 13 years PRIOR to Spurrier arriving, Florida had two very good in conference records and they'd been very average the four years prior to Spurrier arriving.

It's not like Florida was on the same level with Michigan, Texas, Bama, Tenn, Penn St, USC... etc prior to Spurrier arriving.

I tried to be nice earlier, yet you seem bent on cheap shots. Ok, here's a cheap shot for you that you'll understand, totally tongue in cheek....

What I said about Florida needing to play some OOC games OUTSIDE of Florida, well after seeing how well you competed with Georgia Southern, maybe you SHOULD stick to playing ONLY Florida teams in OOC games.
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That's a pretty good cheap shot...not sure how anyone could recover from such a devastating cheap shot.
 
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GoDucks349 said:
In the 13 years PRIOR to Spurrier arriving, Florida had two very good in conference records and they'd been very average the four years prior to Spurrier arriving.

It's not like Florida was on the same level with Michigan, Texas, Bama, Tenn, Penn St, USC... etc prior to Spurrier arriving.

I tried to be nice earlier, yet you seem bent on cheap shots. Ok, here's a cheap shot for you that you'll understand, totally tongue in cheek....

What I said about Florida needing to play some OOC games OUTSIDE of Florida, well after seeing how well you competed with Georgia Southern, maybe you SHOULD stick to playing ONLY Florida teams in OOC games.
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You probably don't want to compare your National Title trophies.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
You probably don't want to compare your National Title trophies.
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Thanks for holding it down while I recover from that cheap shot.

Besides, according to cfbdtawarehouse.com, someone named Harry Frye crowned Oregon national champs in 2001 (sorry Miami), and in 2010 the Foundation for the Analysis of Competitions and Tournaments awarded Oregon their prestigious national championship, in spite of losing to Auburn.

I'm sure the Oregon fan is extremely proud of that.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Thanks for holding it down while I recover from that cheap shot.

Besides, according to cfbdtawarehouse.com, someone named Harry Frye crowned Oregon national champs in 2001 (sorry Miami), and in 2010 the Foundation for the Analysis of Competitions and Tournaments awarded Oregon their prestigious national championship, in spite of losing to Auburn.

I'm sure the Oregon fan is extremely proud of that.
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Actually, didn't know about those. Oregon is on the rise, we obviously haven't gotten there yet in football. Just close so far, but we'll get there.

In NCAA Championships, Oregon has 21 and Florida has 31. So credit Florida.

Of course Florida fans don't want to talk about how many players they put in the NFL Hall of Fame.
 
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#112
GoDucks349 said:
Actually, didn't know about those. Oregon is on the rise, we obviously haven't gotten there yet in football. Just close so far, but we'll get there.

In NCAA Championships, Oregon has 21 and Florida has 31. So credit Florida.

Of course Florida fans don't want to talk about how many players they put in the NFL Hall of Fame.
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You are really, really bad at talking smack. :eek:lol:

It's the Pro Football Hall of Fame, not the NFL Hall of Fame.

And yes, Florida fans across the planet collectively hang our heads in shame over only having the NFL's all-time rusher and Jack Youngblood represent UF in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

It's quite embarrassing actually.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
You are really, really bad at talking smack. :eek:lol:

It's the Pro Football Hall of Fame, not the NFL Hall of Fame.

And yes, Florida fans across the planet collectively hang our heads in shame over only having the NFL's all-time rusher and Jack Youngblood represent UF in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

It's quite embarrassing actually.
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Maybe in another 50 years you'll start catching up with Oregon in Hall of Fame members. Or maybe not. :)

But just two from such a "storied" program...... :)
 
#114
#114
I find this thread very amusing. Its basic human nature at work, if you don't like someone then they have to suck, give them no credit whatsoever.

I would postulate that there is no such thing as a easy schedule for Vanderbilt, and the fact that people are claiming they have had a easy schedule is in itself proof of a sort that Franklin has done a good job there.

as LW has continued to say... this is VANDERBILT we are talking about.

This is the Ford Pinto of the SEC and he has them performing like a muscle car. He has them playing good football and even in the games they have lost they have played well and played hard.

Not only that but he is recruiting better then I have ever seen Vandy recruit in my 47 years of watching SEC football.

I am not a fanboi of his at all but I am smart enough to give a man credit where credit is due regardless of my personal feelings.

The facts are he has turned a perennial loser into a winner in 3 years. With the smallest fan base, the worst stadium, the worst facilities and the least administrative support in the SEC.

Like him or not he has done a great job at Vanderbilt and has proven he is worth consideration for a better coaching job.
 
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GoDucks349 said:
Actually, didn't know about those. Oregon is on the rise, we obviously haven't gotten there yet in football. Just close so far, but we'll get there.

In NCAA Championships, Oregon has 21 and Florida has 31. So credit Florida.

Of course Florida fans don't want to talk about how many players they put in the NFL Hall of Fame.
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If Oregon fans do, then obviously they're losing a debate.
 
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vols4evah said:
I find this thread very amusing. Its basic human nature at work, if you don't like someone then they have to suck, give them no credit whatsoever.

I would postulate that there is no such thing as a easy schedule for Vanderbilt, and the fact that people are claiming they have had a easy schedule is in itself proof of a sort that Franklin has done a good job there.

as LW has continued to say... this is VANDERBILT we are talking about.

This is the Ford Pinto of the SEC and he has them performing like a muscle car. He has them playing good football and even in the games they have lost they have played well and played hard.

Not only that but he is recruiting better then I have ever seen Vandy recruit in my 47 years of watching SEC football.

I am not a fanboi of his at all but I am smart enough to give a man credit where credit is due regardless of my personal feelings.

The facts are he has turned a perennial loser into a winner in 3 years. With the smallest fan base, the worst stadium, the worst facilities and the least administrative support in the SEC.

Like him or not he has done a great job at Vanderbilt and has proven he is worth consideration for a better coaching job.
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Boom, headshot.
 
#117
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vols4evah said:
I find this thread very amusing. Its basic human nature at work, if you don't like someone then they have to suck, give them no credit whatsoever.

I would postulate that there is no such thing as a easy schedule for Vanderbilt, and the fact that people are claiming they have had a easy schedule is in itself proof of a sort that Franklin has done a good job there.

as LW has continued to say... this is VANDERBILT we are talking about.

This is the Ford Pinto of the SEC and he has them performing like a muscle car. He has them playing good football and even in the games they have lost they have played well and played hard.

Not only that but he is recruiting better then I have ever seen Vandy recruit in my 47 years of watching SEC football.

I am not a fanboi of his at all but I am smart enough to give a man credit where credit is due regardless of my personal feelings.

The facts are he has turned a perennial loser into a winner in 3 years. With the smallest fan base, the worst stadium, the worst facilities and the least administrative support in the SEC.

Like him or not he has done a great job at Vanderbilt and has proven he is worth consideration for a better coaching job.
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You lost any shred of credibility you may have had with the bolded statement. Period. The very statistics posted in this thread show that Franklin has made his bank by beating up on bad teams. You stretch that into "Vandy is performing like a muscle car." Good God, make it end...

Vandy is performing like a Pinto that has had new spark plugs in it, and started scheduling more races against Yugos. That Pinto has beaten the Yugos and a few muscle cars with sugar in their tanks.

That's about it.

Franklin... Kudos for giving the Pinto a tune up. We will be interested to see what you do when you get a Monza. That will prove whether you need a Vette.
 
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vols4evah said:
I find this thread very amusing. Its basic human nature at work, if you don't like someone then they have to suck, give them no credit whatsoever.

I would postulate that there is no such thing as a easy schedule for Vanderbilt, and the fact that people are claiming they have had a easy schedule is in itself proof of a sort that Franklin has done a good job there.

as LW has continued to say... this is VANDERBILT we are talking about.

This is the Ford Pinto of the SEC and he has them performing like a muscle car. He has them playing good football and even in the games they have lost they have played well and played hard.
Not only that but he is recruiting better then I have ever seen Vandy recruit in my 47 years of watching SEC football.

I am not a fanboi of his at all but I am smart enough to give a man credit where credit is due regardless of my personal feelings.

The facts are he has turned a perennial loser into a winner in 3 years. With the smallest fan base, the worst stadium, the worst facilities and the least administrative support in the SEC.

Like him or not he has done a great job at Vanderbilt and has proven he is worth consideration for a better coaching job.
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You might want to rewatch the Mizzou and A & M games just this year. Or maybe the UGA game last year. They have gotten torched by any good team in his tenure.
 
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Coach franklin was in Cookeville, Tennessee tonight scouting the fulton falcons (my old high school)
 

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#123
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Franklin is a decent coach. Many of his wins come against absolutely terrible teams. People will say because of what he has done at Vandy is something great. Not really. Yes he has turned their program around but it's it like he old have done much worse than the previous coaches.
 
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People on a UT board debating the merits the Vandy football program and coach. Never thought that I would see that day. Coach Franklin has done a great job at Vandy.
 
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He is a good coach that knows how to get his players to win close games amd recruits really well (for Vandy).

That said, Vandy's turn around already started under Bobby Johnson. They had one blip (return to normalcy) under an interim HC then Franklin put them back on track. It's hard to say how impressive these winning season are though. I think he has only beaten 2 teams with .500 or better records in 3 years.
 
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