Coach "Jake": Freshman QBs are ready?

[Neyland Law Vol]

I understand what many of you are saying, but i think this team may need more from the QB position to make a bowl and if the coaches think a freshman has developed far enough, they will not be reluctant to replace worley. (see Butch last year at 6-2).

 

[Chilmonty]

“They have been game ready for a while. The question is, you don’t know how well they will execute in those pressure situations until they are put in those situations. From a skill standpoint, from a knowledge standpoint they have a firm grasp. Now will it all trigger when the lights go on? That is the question.”


Some of you guys can read anything into anything!

Where does it say Worley is out??

All he is saying is that the frosh "should" be ready if needed.

I swear, I could post "Its raining" and some of you would reply "What do you mean the world is ending, HOW DARE YOU!" :banghead2::banghead2::banghead2:


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[VOLorNuttin]

Also, remember last year Butch replaced his starting QB after a win and the team was 6-2. Just because the team is getting better doesn't mean Butch won't play the player he thinks gives him the best chance to win. That could be the freshman coming of a bye week with extra reps.

If Worley continues to improve, and doesn't regress...I'm cool with him behind the wheel. However, I REALLY do think it's a Win/Win situation if Coach Jake would bring in Dobbs or Ferguson for 3rd down and Red Zone packages.

It makes it much harder for defenses to have to prepare/account for a mobile QB on any one of those plays. It opens up the playbook for Coach Jake and most importantly, it gives one of the freshman valuable game experience, for next year (or in case of an injury this year).

 

[sjt18]

QB's they have faced? Tahj Boyd and that's it.


I mean unless you are referring to the North Texas QB who still threw up 240 yards on them.

Through 6 games, they've got 1 interception as a team.

If you look at the stats from all their games, EVERY QB puts up 200 yrds.

Um.... Mettenberger and Shaw aren't QB's? Mettenberger leads the SEC in TD passes, yards, yds/attempt, and QB rating... but somehow to you he's not a good QB?

The UNT QB did NOT throw for 240 against them. He threw for 202 and is currently 28th in passing ypg and 17th in passing %. He had his worst game of the season vs UGA.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

If Worley gets hurt or has a disasterous relapse of ineffectiveness, that's the only way we'll see one of the freshmen IMO. And honestly, I think he'd have to have a disasterous game against someone other than Alabama for that to happen.

If its and buts were candy and nuts, we would all be living California.

 

[sjt18]

I seriously doubt that. They may not start for South Carolina, but we will see one of them starting this season.

Why? Please give an intelligent, reasoned, fact based response.

 

[jcon]

I do think we should stick with Worley for the time being, if not for anything other than the gutsy performance he had last week. He is an adequate QB that will not lose you a game due to terrible decisions (ex. Peterman). However, I find the hypocrisy of some of the posters on this site hillarious. For the last month, people have been clammoring for a freshman QB to start. Now, when the OP posts that the freshmen may be ready to actually start and play a game, the hounds come out and tell him how rediculous he is for thinking that. They find it so absurd for people to not be completely sold on Worley now. It is amazing.

It wasn't until the South Carolina game of 2010 that a certain freshman got his first significant playing time. There actually isn't a tremendous difference between Simms and Worley either...I'm just saying.

With that being said, I'm pro-Worley. I love his attitude. I love his effort. He will end up being a good quarterback.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

“They have been game ready for a while. The question is, you don’t know how well they will execute in those pressure situations until they are put in those situations. From a skill standpoint, from a knowledge standpoint they have a firm grasp. Now will it all trigger when the lights go on? That is the question.”


Some of you guys can read anything into anything!

Where does it say Worley is out??

All he is saying is that the frosh "should" be ready if needed.

I swear, I could post "Its raining" and some of you would reply "What do you mean the world is ending, HOW DARE YOU!" :banghead2::banghead2::banghead2:


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People here have repeatedly stated that the Freshmen suck and weren't good enough to replace a struggling QB Worley...so, some are probably taking that comment to mean they DO NOT suck + must be better than Worley...who has sucked a LOT this year.

 

[Volfan76]

I understand what many of you are saying, but i think this team may need more from the QB position to make a bowl and if the coaches think a freshman has developed far enough, they will not be reluctant to replace worley. (see Butch last year at 6-2).

I agree. I'm glad Worley is improving, but just because he was serviceable during the UGA game, doesn't make him an SEC caliber QB. Many of the completions thrown by Worley were low and behind the receiver and a lot of yards were left on the field because of it. Not to mention we are trying to attract an elite WR who needs a great QB to make it to the NFL. Hope Worley continues to improve, but I just don't see him making the strides he has to make this year.

 

[sjt18]

If Worley continues to improve, and doesn't regress...I'm cool with him behind the wheel. However, I REALLY do think it's a Win/Win situation if Coach Jake would bring in Dobbs or Ferguson for 3rd down and Red Zone packages.

It makes it much harder for defenses to have to prepare/account for a mobile QB on any one of those plays. It opens up the playbook for Coach Jake and most importantly, it gives one of the freshman valuable game experience, for next year (or in case of an injury this year).

I honestly agree with this. I have always liked that when you have a #2 with a different skill set. Even if you only put them in once a game or every other game, you force your opponent to spend time preparing for them.

Unfortunately, I don't think either of the Fr or Peterman when he returns is enough of a running threat to make it work.

 

[PACKERVOL]

Im not calling for "pulling" worley, but this is the first i've heard that the freshman QB's "have a firm grasp" of the play book? Thought it could mean we may see them this year after all?

Unless we have a major catastrophe, Dobbs will be redshirted. First freshman QB in would be Ferguson if it came down to it. I still think the staff would prefer to redshirt both.

 

[vol445]

Unless we have a major catastrophe, Dobbs will be redshirted. First freshman QB in would be Ferguson if it came down to it. I still think the staff would prefer to redshirt both.

Absolutely positively this

 

[sjt18]

I agree. I'm glad Worley is improving, but just because he was serviceable during the UGA game, doesn't make him an SEC caliber QB.

Good Lord son did you even watch the game? He wasn't just "serviceable". The throw to North for the TD is ELITE. He drilled the ball in on several occasions better than most current SEC starters can.

If the coaches had opened up in the first half like they did the second half... he would have thrown for well over 300 yds. But their strategy... repeated many times during and since the game... was to manage the score until the 2nd half and hope to be in a position to win in the 4th qtr.

Many of the completions thrown by Worley were low and behind the receiver and a lot of yards were left on the field because of it.

In the first couple of games? Yes. In the UGA game, name them.

Not to mention we are trying to attract an elite WR who needs a great QB to make it to the NFL. Hope Worley continues to improve, but I just don't see him making the strides he has to make this year.

If you can look at the first game then the UGA game and NOT see him making huge strides... I'm not sure how to help you. If you are talking about Malone, he mentioned Worley's improvement SPECIFICALLY as a good thing. Worst case, any WR signed this year would play one year with Worley and that more than likely as a back up behind the guys who are getting OJT this year.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

I honestly agree with this. I have always liked that when you have a #2 with a different skill set. Even if you only put them in once a game or every other game, you force your opponent to spend time preparing for them.

Unfortunately, I don't think either of the Fr or Peterman when he returns is enough of a running threat to make it work.

Dobbs has the wheels to be a REAL threat in the Zone read, or play-action bootleg.

 

[calban]

I agree. I'm glad Worley is improving, but just because he was serviceable during the UGA game, doesn't make him an SEC caliber QB. Many of the completions thrown by Worley were low and behind the receiver and a lot of yards were left on the field because of it. Not to mention we are trying to attract an elite WR who needs a great QB to make it to the NFL. Hope Worley continues to improve, but I just don't see him making the strides he has to make this year.

Do you really think adding another inexperienced qb to the mix would help freshmen receivers run better routes or start getting separation?
Not to mention, Worley is a virtual freshman in this new system.
He's found his go to guy in Pig. Watch for big things against SC.

 

[sjt18]

Dobbs has the wheels to be a REAL threat in the Zone read, or play-action bootleg.

I have no personal knowledge so I cannot argue that he doesn't. However I have seen reports here ranging from what you just said to Ferguson and Peterman both being better runners than Dobbs.

Not arguing with you because I really don't know... but the reports are mixed at best.

The only running QB in HS was Peterman.

 

[sjt18]

Do you really think adding another inexperienced qb to the mix would help freshmen receivers run better routes or start getting separation?
Not to mention, Worley is a virtual freshman in this new system.
He's found his go to guy in Pig. Watch for big things against SC.

What I like is that Pig stepped up, Croom has been there for a few weeks now, North is stepping up, Smith didn't drop anything, Neal got involved, Branisel made a huge play,.... this is REAL and substantial progress across the board in the passing game. The only things that could make it better is more involvement Downs, Dallas, et al who are the better blockers.

 

[Volfan76]

Why? Please give an intelligent, reasoned, fact based response.

1. Josh Malone
2. He's about as mobile as the Statue of Liberty
3. Worley Currently ranks 88 of 120 DIV I qb's (which is dead last in the SEC)

 

[VOLorNuttin]

Good Lord son did you even watch the game? He wasn't just "serviceable". The throw to North for the TD is ELITE. He drilled the ball in on several occasions better than most current SEC starters can.

If the coaches had opened up in the first half like they did the second half... he would have thrown for well over 300 yds. But their strategy... repeated many times since the game... was to manage the score until the 2nd half and hope to be in a position to win in the 4th qtr. In the first couple of games? Yes. In the UGA game, name them.



If you can look at the first game then the UGA game and NOT see him making huge strides... I'm not sure how to help you.

The throw to North in the End Zone was not elite. He was actually overthrown, and it was North making an acrobatic catch to bail him out. Throw that pass to Pig and it's incomplete 10 times out of 10. This is why I have been saying this staff needs to lean on the Big WR's more (North, Croom and Harris). You can't coach height/size and leaping ability. Steve Spurrier loved to throw the jump ball in the end zone, to Sidney Rice and Alshon Jeffrey, and it worked often.

We have even bigger WR's and are afraid to use them in this capacity. Could have been the difference in being 3-3 instead of 5-1

 

[Volfan76]

Good Lord son did you even watch the game? He wasn't just "serviceable". The throw to North for the TD is ELITE. He drilled the ball in on several occasions better than most current SEC starters can.

If the coaches had opened up in the first half like they did the second half... he would have thrown for well over 300 yds. But their strategy... repeated many times during and since the game... was to manage the score until the 2nd half and hope to be in a position to win in the 4th qtr. In the first couple of games? Yes. In the UGA game, name them.



If you can look at the first game then the UGA game and NOT see him making huge strides... I'm not sure how to help you.

Are you related to Worley or something? It takes more than one good throw in 5 games to win football games. If he is so elite then why is he dead last in the SEC in qb rating? He improved and he had to or he would be out already, but lets not get carried away here. Take off the blinders and open your eyes a little.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

What I like is that Pig stepped up, Croom has been there for a few weeks now, North is stepping up, Smith didn't drop anything, Neal got involved, Branisel made a huge play,.... this is REAL and substantial progress across the board in the passing game. The only things that could make it better is more involvement Downs, Dallas, et al who are the better blockers.

I personally think one reason we got Pig more involved is to help offset the lack of QB mobility. It is harder to defend misdirection plays than predictable runs between the tackles.

Imagine running those kinds of plays with Dobbs as the QB. LB's have to defend the RB going between the tackles, the QB going off tackle and a slot guy like Pig on a reverse.

This is EXACTLY what makes Oregon so good. They have these multiple threats on any given play...and they've rep'ed it to perfection. This is precisely why Worley is a liability in this offense.

 

[sjt18]

The throw to North in the End Zone was not elite. He was actually overthrown, and it was North making an acrobatic catch to bail him out.

He threw the ball where North and ONLY North could touch it on a critical play. It was an elite throw.

Throw that pass to Pig and it's incomplete 10 times out of 10.

He didn't throw it to Pig.

We have even bigger WR's and are afraid to use them in this capacity. Could have been the difference in being 3-3 instead of 5-1

I'm not willing to second guess the coaches like that. What they are doing is working all around... and I've long been a skeptic waiting to see if Jones was "the guy"... and am still not willing to say he is.

IMHO, the UF loss was necessary to shake Worley out of his malaisse. He has made his best improvement since being benched. I don't think less from Pig in favor of anyone else helps the UGa game one bit.

 

[KBVol]

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I know worley played his best half of football against UGA but could we see a freshman coming out of the bye week? This is the first i've heard that the freshman "have a firm grasp" of what to do. Is he hinting at something here?

Last year Butch replaced his starting QB after a win and a 6-2 start?

Gotta admit I was a bit baffled by CMB's comments about the freshmen QBs. Wasn't exactly sure about the context in which he made these comments. Perhaps it's just to reassure the fan base that these guys are quality D1 guys and if called upon they're adequately prepared.

That being said, there's no way in hades that Worley isn't the starter v SCar.... took a major step forward vs Georgia and we have to build on that going forward. Last thing we need is a "QB controversy" so I don't think we see a freshman QB unless Worley's injured.

 

[JCHateSteve]

I don't think we see the freshman this year unless Worley has some kind of major meltdown. Even if he does I doubt you should see them until after Alabama. You don't want to through a freshman into that.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

He threw the ball where North and ONLY North could touch it on a critical play. It was an elite throw. He didn't throw it to Pig.



I'm not willing to second guess the coaches like that. What they are doing is working all around... and I've long been a skeptic waiting to see if Jones was "the guy"... and am still not willing to say he is.

IMHO, the UF loss was necessary to shake Worley out of his malaisse. He has made his best improvement since being benched. I don't think less from Pig in favor of anyone else helps the UGa game one bit.

Again...the pass to North was NOT elite. It was actually out of bounds. North had to make an acrobatic catch to make it work.

We are 3 and 3...could easily be 5-1, instead. I wouldn't say emphatically that what they have been doing is "working." It has worked against Sun Belt teams, and just barely at that. It worked for one half against an SEC team.

What's more is, the staff coached scared for the first half against UGA. It was only when they STOPPED coaching scared that we made it a real game. I am contending that they are STILL coaching scared in regards to the WR's and also regarding the freshmen.

They stated that the freshmen have been GAME-READY for weeks now...but basically they are too scared to play them in a game...CAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WILL GET. Not playing them because you don't know what you'll get = SKEERED

They got 3 WR's that are between 6'4" - 6'5" and still outright REFUSE to leverage that size. No jump balls in the endzone to date. No deep passes to them to try and take advantage of that size. Harris can't eat peanuts off smallish db's helmets from the sideline...nor can Croom.

I think you can look at the 2nd half of the UGA game and make a compelling case that WHEN this staff no longer coaches scared, they can play with the big boys.