Coach Kellie Harper fired

[Memvol44]

Other than pay I dont know what incentive she has to leave USC. They'll be preseason top 5 and favorites to win the Big Ten.

Well..pay is a big factor

 

[spojo13]

Three. I think the reach candidate is A+, but long odds- maybe a one in three chance. They have expressed an interest in making her the highest paid women’s coach, with upside. Maybe she’ll listen. The other two are impressive, and an upgrade and both very interested as their agents reached out to us. It’s perceived that enough time has passed that someone can take the job and not be following Pat. Molly is not on the list of three. I think White will get this right.

I know this poster has been pretty accurate with the men’s basketball and I think football behind the scenes. I don’t know if he is an insider bc who knows who is an insider these days with how close Danny keep things. Thought it was interesting though since he seemed to be knowledgeable with other sports.

 

[WVU05UT09]

The reality is its not going to be nearly as bad as it sounds. Its 9-10 games depending on how many games they play in conferences and the trips will be piggy backed (i.e. at Penn State on Thurs/Fri and then at Maryland on Sat/Sun. At most 5 trips during a two month span East and they'll have the money to charter.

Also there is no dreading the Big Ten travel on part of the LA schools. They aren't out there with a bullhorn partying about it but no one is more excited about the new Big Ten/P2 structure than USC and UCLA. Southern California was the life blood for Pac12 rosters across multiple sports. Now with Big Ten money, the NIL/employment contracts and opportunity to play in the P2, USC and UCLA have essentially built a semi fortified wall around talent in Southern California. Oregon and Washington will still be in there and other Big Ten schools but they won't be able to sell the hometown advantage.

 

[Volstylexx]

This is a hard one for me. I think I would take Gottllieb for the sake of recruiting. She would likely bring some of her players.

But I think Becky is the better coach. I really want an elite Xs and Os coach who has edge/swagger. Becky just has that IT factor.

I agree. I think Gottlieb, with some of her current players, could be competing for an SEC title next year, so her success could be more immediate. I think long-term, Becky would be the better coach when viewed through ability to make a Final 4, play for titles. I do wonder if she wants anything to do with the college game. She's a huge favorite to win back to back to back WMBA titles this year. Candace could possibly have some sway there though and convince her to come. Hell I'd even take Becky as head coach and Candace as an assistant coach.

 

[cwbytruckers]

You brought it up at the end of your post, but guard play under Kellie was atrocious. I don't know how many times Powell took a dumb shot and then you knew immediately she was going to either foul or give up an open 3, and Kelly still played her time and time again.

Powell would turn into a ball hogging thought she was MJ type player that thought she could contortion her body into a wild out of control shot against foot taller players at the end of every quarter she had the ball. She had no clue to pull up for a 10 foot shot. The whole arena knew what she would do. Yet CKH appeared clueless.

 

[madtownvol]

Good article on the LVs coaching change by michelle voepel on ESPN website.

She notes that the 3 teams who beat the Kellie in the NCAA rounds all made it to the final 4- Louisville, Va Tech and NC St. In hindsight, really tough draws,

In the video embed to this story, FInebaum reports that LV fans are very upset over the decision, Could it be that the VN poll and Xitter noise was not representative of the broader fan base?

Kellie Harper is out at Tennessee: What's next for Lady Vols?

Tennessee's last two coaches all had long ties to the program. Is it time for the school to go in another direction for its next head coach?

www.espn.com

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Powell would turn into a ball hogging thought she was MJ type player that thought she could contortion her body into a wild out of control shot against foot taller players at the end of every quarter she had the ball. She had no clue to pull up for a 10 foot shot. The whole arena knew what she would do. Yet CKH appeared clueless.

Stuff like that is what tells me Kelly doesn't have it.
Could you imagine Powell playing for Barnes? She'd never see the floor.

 

[Volstylexx]

I know this poster has been pretty accurate with the men’s basketball and I think football behind the scenes. I don’t know if he is an insider bc who knows who is an insider these days with how close Danny keep things. Thought it was interesting though since he seemed to be knowledgeable with other sports.

This is every Lady Vol fan's dream scenario: Danny White getting a BIG fish and making them the highest paid coach in women's basketball. Honoring the legacy of Pat Summit by hiring the best, and returning this program to glory. What a time to be alive. Make it happen!

 

[ttharp]

I agree. I think Gottlieb, with some of her current players, could be competing for an SEC title next year, so her success could be more immediate. I think long-term, Becky would be the better coach when viewed through ability to make a Final 4, play for titles. I do wonder if she wants anything to do with the college game. She's a huge favorite to win back to back to back WMBA titles this year. Candace could possibly have some sway there though and convince her to come. Hell I'd even take Becky as head coach and Candace as an assistant coach.

Agreed. A Becky/Candace duo would be world class! But I doubt she leaves this year. Candace also signed a one-year deal with the Aces.

 

[Jr_Vol#]

And so it begins. Unless DW wants a major rebuild on his hands he had darn better get a coach in the house in the next 2 days. The reason the men's program languished in basketball hell was the AD"s listened to crap from the so called living fans and jock sniffing boosters and not enough to basketball people. A total rebuild is unacceptable even it costs the program a million dollars they saved by waiting to April 1. As for DW his women BB background is the Syracuse coach and a couple of other mid major hires littering the world of women's BB. He does have ties to the other White family, the Hurleys from UCONN, and the ND athletic dept. UCONN could give us Shea Ralph or the assistant at UCONN Cardoza or Elliott. If he talks to ND they will just tell them they saw a young black lady with WNBA background, smart and personable no experience so we kicked McGraw to the side built a statue and hired Ivey. That means you go get Kara Lawson. People are not going to like that. If you chase after Walz you get a scumbag that will interact with the men's teams fan and will be good for a slot on sports talk radio with Ivens or Basilio and talk about the men's program. Somebody who has not aged well in the Portal and NIL era. Payne at Colorado is interesting and we could probably get her, you would have to get her recruiters on her staff. She understands player development. Gottileb and close would have to be yanked from the west coast and would need recruiting coordinators to help recruit the south. Gottlieb looks like she would need to be surrounded by a former coach on her sidelines but she is a natural recruiter and checks a lot of my boxes.

Keep the crap about how much of a whiz kid DW is I don't want to hear it. I love Coach Hype but he did bring him in from where he AD'ed before he got here. The Walz crap is a bunch of trolls moaning about reverse discrimination, they will troll whoever is hired. A portion of the base are still mad that Holly was let go with the argument that KJH's resume was no better and now she is gone. Others hate Fulmer and want him erased via KJH perhaps one day they will enjoy the 97 football NC. To put this in perspective I read about "eye candy" as a condition of a hire yeah let me give you Coach Yo she will eye candy you and put her foot up your butt. She would also win.... Finally KJH needed to be replaced, but DW better get it right and he better do it on the fast track.

It was the 98 football National Championship. Not trying to be that person just pointing it out since I enjoyed reading your post. And to make sure I'm not losing my mind!

 

[Volstylexx]

Good article on the LVs coaching change by michelle voepel on ESPN website.

She notes that the 3 teams who beat the Kellie in the S16 round all made it to the final 4- Louisville, Va Tech and NC St. In hindsight, really tough draws,

In the video embed to this story, FInebaum reports that LV fans are very upset over the decision, Could it be that the VN poll and Xitter noise was not representative of the broader fan base?

Kellie Harper is out at Tennessee: What's next for Lady Vols?

Tennessee's last two coaches all had long ties to the program. Is it time for the school to go in another direction for its next head coach?

www.espn.com

Thanks for sharing the article. Gosh what a line: "The highest-ranked recruit was 57th in 2020, 43rd in 2021, none in the top 100 in 2023, and 35th in 2024." I didn't even realize it was that bad. Rickea and Horston being so good really did provide a lot of cover for the lack of recruiting.

 

[madtownvol]

Thanks for sharing the article. Gosh what a line: "The highest-ranked recruit was 57th in 2020, 43rd in 2021, none in the top 100 in 2023, and 35th in 2024." I didn't even realize it was that bad. Rickea and Horston being so good really did provide a lot of cover for the lack of recruiting.

The real missed opportunity was not this season but last year with Rickea and Jordan. Yes, Rickea had some adjustment issues and Key was out (and that made a difference) but when you have two truly elite players, not winning more is a problem. She got that team to the SEC tournament final (but lost) and the S16 but she had to at least get to the elite 8, though VA tech was a really good team.

Don't forget, Kellie compensated pretty well for the HS recruiting shortfalls with the portal where she ranked near the top in signings. This years team was an elite PG away and that was supposed to be Destiny but Kellies own destiny seems a bit cursed.

 

[glv98]

Stuff like that is what tells me Kelly doesn't have it.
Could you imagine Powell playing for Barnes? She'd never see the floor.

Right, because recruiting was a big problem and Barnes would never have a recruit like JP. Everyone in the universe always knew JP had her limits, as did she herself. And owned every single one of them. And became the ONLY PG due to injury, and carried the whole freakin load to the best of her limited ability all year. And played her ass off and is a great kid (listen to the podcast). Never purposefully played selfish, ball hog, etc, just had limits on what she was able to do. As did several other players. Because recruiting was always a problem.

And graduated and worked on a masters. Spoke lovingly about her experience here. So why do we want to beat up JP some more right now?

 

[Dadof2Vols]

Her stance is that a mediocre female coach is better than a great male coach… great contributions that she makes.

Personally I don’t care about VFL, race, sex or orientation as long as they win big and put the WBB program back at least to awfully close to top of mountain(FF4 Frequently).

 

[VolFuture]

Personally I don’t care about VFL, race, sex or orientation as long as they win big and put the WBB program back at least to awfully close to top of mountain(FF4 Frequently).

I do care if they are a Kim Mulkey tho

 

[Rockytop10nessee]

100%%%

Some posters are wanting to make her their very own Angel Reese....

We love ya Lucy, Ignore the haters.

I mean, she might be the most bigoted person on the board. She once called Rick Barnes a classless jerk. RICK BARNES.

lucy is a toxic feminist. Angel Reese is an idiot and a poor role model for children. Lucy and angel are nowhere close to the same thing.

 

[Dadof2Vols]

This is a hard one for me. I think I would take Gottllieb for the sake of recruiting. She would likely bring some of her players.

But I think Becky is the better coach. I really want an elite Xs and Os coach who has edge/swagger. Becky just has that IT factor.

So it depends on how much patience you can muster for the next 12-24 months with current roster.

 

[Rockytop10nessee]

Personally I don’t care about VFL, race, sex or orientation as long as they win big and put the WBB program back at least to awfully close to top of mountain(FF4 Frequently).

This. Sweet 16 90% of the time, elite 8 half the time, final four 1/3 years. We have the resources to do this. In Danny white I trust. If he’d been here two years earlier, we’d already have a good coach for the LVs and would probably be in the idle of a final four run.

 

[glv98]

So it depends on how much patience you can muster for the next 12-24 months with current roster.

I don't think we should be asked to have roster patience for 24 hours. I want immediate recruiting action, such as bringing own players. That is whole purpose of Kellie's dismissal and this hire. If not able to make recruiting inroads now, don't bother.

 

[Rockytop10nessee]

I do care if they are a Kim Mulkey tho

Well yeah, we don’t want scum of the earth for our HC.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Question:

Would you want Gottlieb over Hammon, or Hammon over Gottlieb.

Both are interesting with the NBA coaching experience. Gottlieb has proven she can win at the college level and clearly knows how to recruit. She has a loaded class this year and more 4-5 stars coming in.

I think both have positive, Gottlieb would have the players she can bring with her, but Hammon will get the recruits since I think the young players know her and her success and that will get them here.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

The real missed opportunity was not this season but last year with Rickea and Jordan. Yes, Rickea had some adjustment issues and Key was out (and that made a difference) but when you have two truly elite players, not winning more is a problem. She got that team to the SEC tournament final (but lost) and the S16 but she had to at least get to the elite 8, though VA tech was a really good team.

Don't forget, Kellie compensated pretty well for the HS recruiting shortfalls with the portal where she ranked near the top in signings. This years team was an elite PG away and that was supposed to be Destiny but Kellies own destiny seems a bit cursed.

Even that roster wasn’t enough, it had some of the same flaws as this years roster.

 

[Dadof2Vols]

Good article on the LVs coaching change by michelle voepel on ESPN website.

She notes that the 3 teams who beat the Kellie in the S16 round all made it to the final 4- Louisville, Va Tech and NC St. In hindsight, really tough draws,

In the video embed to this story, FInebaum reports that LV fans are very upset over the decision, Could it be that the VN poll and Xitter noise was not representative of the broader fan base?

Kellie Harper is out at Tennessee: What's next for Lady Vols?

Tennessee's last two coaches all had long ties to the program. Is it time for the school to go in another direction for its next head coach?

www.espn.com

Powell would turn into a ball hogging thought she was MJ type player that thought she could contortion her body into a wild out of control shot against foot taller players at the end of every quarter she had the ball. She had no clue to pull up for a 10 foot shot. The whole arena knew what she would do. Yet CKH appeared clueless.

Stuff like that is what tells me Kelly doesn't have it.
Could you imagine Powell playing for Barnes? She'd never see the floor.

This right here sums up this debate.

The CKJH supporters look at the almost wins as progress, the multiple WNBA draft picks, etc….

The ones who see a lack of progress point to basketball fundamentals, lack of coaching style change, lack of recruiting and offense/defensive lapse and not just W-L.

It really all does come down to clear or orange colored glasses and your goalposts and measuring stick for the program.

 

[Rockytop10nessee]

I don't think we should be asked to have roster patience for 24 hours. I want immediate recruiting action, such as bringing own players. That is whole purpose of Kellie's dismissal and this hire. If not able to make recruiting inroads now, don't bother.

I feel your sentiment. But no, kellie’s dismissal was not for immediate recruiting action. Her dismissal happened because she’s not a good coach. She’s the women’s basketball equivalent of Derek dooley.

 

[Rockytop10nessee]

This right here sums up this debate.

The CKJH supporters look at the almost wins as progress, the multiple WNBA draft picks, etc….

The ones who see a lack of progress point to basketball fundamentals, lack of coaching style change, lack of recruiting and offense/defensive lapse and not just W-L.

It really all does come down to clear or orange colored glasses and your goalposts and measuring stick for the program.

If one’s measuring stick for this program isn’t final fours on a semi regular basis at least, then that person is wrong.

The reality is that kellie took a top 5 team in talent and produced top 32 results. I could’ve gotten us those results, and for much less money.