Coach Prime

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BowlBrother85 said:
Could be right. I just don't think some of the talking heads who are going overboard with the hype, realize that he's not recruiting any high school talent to speak of, and the position that is going to leave them in 3 years from now ... when he probably won't be there.
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You're not wrong, but I think if you went to Colorado's AD/admin and said "Hey guys, what Deion is doing this year might be exciting but it isn't sustainable," I bet their response would be "Yeah, but so what?"

It isn't like they have a history of winning, or a brand to protect, or were looking for a coach to build on a foundation that had been laid previously and get them over the top. The money and exposure they've gained just so far this year has probably already justified Deion's contract, at least the first couple years of it.
 
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Keyshawn Johnson drops bomb about coaches scheming against Prime

Superstar receiver turned hot taker Keyshawn Johnson thinks the beat down the Colorado Buffaloes took was more than just the Oregon Ducks being good
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I didn’t know Keyshawn suffered so many concussions.
Yep, other staffs are calling Oregon with tips rather than game planning for their opponent. Now we know why BAMA has been struggling
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
For some here, it is that he flipped the roster…as if scholarships are locked in for four years.

For others, it’s how he flipped the roster…as if he should have been softer with the messaging following a 1-11 season.

Had he not flipped the roster, CU doesn’t go into Eugene undefeated and the Deion hire is immediately deemed a failure.

He was brutally honest in that first team meeting to leave zero doubt of what his plans were, feelings be damned.

If you’ve ever been involved in a corporate merger, or massive org chart changes in an underperforming business, Deion’s first team meeting was a walk in the park.

God forbid UF or UT suffers a 1-11 season. But if that did happen, I’d want the next guy to gut the program and start fresh…and shoot straight with the messaging. Deion’s doing just that.
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For me as noted before it's how he flipped the roster. I wouldn't compare the turnover to the corporate world. Mass layoffs are common in business but not used until now in college athletics.
Deion wouldn't be considered a failure by any reasonable observer had they lost before playing Oregon, unless one or both of those cupcakes had just laid waste to his team.
 
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Majors said:
He’s a tremendous recruiter
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Deion Sanders has not proven himself to be a tremendous recruiter. LOL.

Luring established players from the transfer portal, who already have a collegiate track record with an accompanying video of performance at the college level, is not the same thing as recruiting high school prospects. It doesn't require the same degree of talent evaluation or development. It also doesn't build a foundation for sustained success. If he remains at Colorado for a duration of more than 3 years, he is going to have to start recruiting high school players MUCH better than he currently is. Colorado State is out-recruiting him at the moment.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Deion Sanders has not proven himself to be a tremendous recruiter. LOL.

Luring established players from the transfer portal, who already have a collegiate track record with an accompanying video of performance at the college level, is not the same thing as recruiting high school prospects. It doesn't require the same degree of talent evaluation or development. It also doesn't build a foundation for sustained success. If he remains at Colorado for a duration of more than 3 years, he is going to have to start recruiting high school players MUCH better than he currently is. Colorado State is out-recruiting him at the moment.
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I’d say getting the #2 ranked player to Jackson…plus the audience watching each week speaks for itself. Getting kids like Boo Carter on campus while they are committed to a school line Tennessee is another step in the right direction.

Todays game is now recruiting the portal, we don’t have to like it, it’s just how it is.
 
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EasternVol said:
For me as noted before it's how he flipped the roster. I wouldn't compare the turnover to the corporate world. Mass layoffs are common in business but not used until now in college athletics.
Deion wouldn't be considered a failure by any reasonable observer had they lost before playing Oregon, unless one or both of those cupcakes had just laid waste to his team.
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If your issue is how he flipped the roster, then your beef is with the NCAA, not Deion.

There’s nothing unethical about how he rebuilt the roster.
 
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Wireless1 said:
denversports.com

Keyshawn Johnson drops bomb about coaches scheming against Prime

Superstar receiver turned hot taker Keyshawn Johnson thinks the beat down the Colorado Buffaloes took was more than just the Oregon Ducks being good
denversports.com denversports.com
I didn’t know Keyshawn suffered so many concussions.
Yep, other staffs are calling Oregon with tips rather than game planning for their opponent. Now we know why BAMA has been struggling
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Did you see the report yesterday that now Oregon's coach is racist for beating Deion so bad and embarrassing him? It's even crazier when he looses!
 
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Wireless1 said:
denversports.com

Keyshawn Johnson drops bomb about coaches scheming against Prime

Superstar receiver turned hot taker Keyshawn Johnson thinks the beat down the Colorado Buffaloes took was more than just the Oregon Ducks being good
denversports.com denversports.com
I didn’t know Keyshawn suffered so many concussions.
Yep, other staffs are calling Oregon with tips rather than game planning for their opponent. Now we know why BAMA has been struggling
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If a team goes to OT with Colorado State, you’re not fielding calls on how to beat Colorado. Deion fast tracked to P5 job and better coaches will take that personal.
 
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I have very mixed feelings on Deion. I've seen some things (like the text convo with him and Travis Hunter) that make me believe he genuinely cares and is a good guy.

And there's part of me that thinks that the arrogance and showy behavior is simply visual click bait to get attention. And it has worked for the first 4 weeks.

But yeah...by the end of the season (or maybe as soon as the end of Saturday), we aren't going to be talking about them.

Deion is exciting, but it is a big jump to go from a HBCU like JSU to a P5 like Colorado. It sounds like he has been banking on kids coming to him, and not invested in going to them. As someone mentioned, his high school recruiting class is virtually nothing, with signing day 2 months away.
I just think this plan, while exciting, isn't going to produce the result he wanted.

The biggest luck Colorado had was getting a severely overrated TCU as their first game.

I think Deion and Colorado are a good litmus test for "Does this new world of college football and NIL actually work?" And I think what we will see is "It produces excitement and highlights that are short lived, but ultimately it isnt sustainable or good for the game of college football."

Jury is still out on them, but I just don't believe in the "Coach Prime" hype.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
If your issue is how he flipped the roster, then your beef is with the NCAA, not Deion.

There’s nothing unethical about how he rebuilt the roster.
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Whether or not the way Sanders' flipped the roster was ethical is a matter of opinion. My opinion is that it wasn't. We all know or should know that legal doesn't equate to ethical and vice versa.
 
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EasternVol said:
Whether or not the way Sanders' flipped the roster was ethical is a matter of opinion. My opinion is that it wasn't. We all know or should know that legal doesn't equate to ethical and vice versa.
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Then just say you think NCAA rules are unethical.

Deion played by the rules…you just don’t like the rules.
 
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EasternVol said:
Why not both? So far Deion's the only one to use the rules that way.
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Being the first to use the transfer portal to that extent isn’t unethical, because it’s within the framework of NCAA rules and regulations. Until those rules change, anyone is free to do exactly what Deion just did.

If Deion’s use of the portal is truly your gripe with this situation, Deion isn’t the problem. Take it up with the NCAA.

Feels like your gripe is more than that, because your argument doesn’t pass the smell test…and you know it.
 
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Mr. Prime also said you don't need culture, you need good players. I say you need both, and you only develop culture through HS recruiting. You have to have a healthy balance of recruiting and portal. and if you lean heavy on the portal long term you lose HS recruiting because the know coming in they will invest time in a program only to beat out by a large annual influx of portal players that are one and done. You build long term with HS relationships and fill immediate needs or gaps with the portal.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Being the first to use the transfer portal to that extent isn’t unethical, because it’s within the framework of NCAA rules and regulations. Until those rules change, anyone is free to do exactly what Deion just did.

If Deion’s use of the portal is truly your gripe with this situation, Deion isn’t the problem. Take it up with the NCAA.

Feels like your gripe is more than that, because your argument doesn’t pass the smell test…and you know it.
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I have no issue with his use of the portal to get players. I do have a problem with how he reduced the roster he inherited.
Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's ethical. Living in the real world we should all know that.
 
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EasternVol said:
There's the 'God guided me to Boulder' crap and there's not respecting agreements, as in scholarships. Generally if a kid on scholarship does what is asked and doesn't mess up with grades or discipline, he or she isn't run off. Sanders ran off half the team.
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Scholarships are performance based agreements. Just because one does the bare minimum by attending class, keeping up grades and attending practice doesn’t necessarily mean that it should be renewed every year.
 
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EasternVol said:
I have no issue with his use of the portal to get players. I do have a problem with how he reduced the roster he inherited.
Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's ethical. Living in the real world we should all know that.
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Then lobby the NCAA to place annual limits on the number of transfers a school can accept.

If you’re successful, and that rule changes, followed by Deion taking over the allowable number of transfers, THEN he’s being unethical.

Until then, it’s open season.
 
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