Coach Z

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big harry said:
I don't understand bashing Z. He had an extremely young WR group who didn't have a QB that could get an accurate pass to them. Players and recruits love the guy. Lets stop pushing good assistants out the door.
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No offense Big Harry (Love the Avi by the way) but regardless of what some of these guys think, none of us have the power to push any coach out the door.
 
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I don't want any coaches to leave. However, I did not see any baseless coach bashing. Coaches would agree you are judged on your results and even Jones said the WR's were not helping the QB's and fault was not all on Worley ect. I think the critics in this thread were doing so in a legitimate fashion.

Coach ZA and the rest of this staff will be judged by results and those so far are lacking. Have they been dealt a bad hand. In some respects, most certainly. Are they doing some things to correct it? I think so if you look at this class.

At this point saying the results are not there is not baseless bashing. But saying we need to fire any of this is not bashing. It is just plain stupid at this point.

And no....I am not a mod. But, I did try to sleep with one once. I mean slept at a Holiday Inn once. And of course I am joking VG. about the trying :)
 
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big harry said:
I don't understand bashing Z. He had an extremely young WR group who didn't have a QB that could get an accurate pass to them. Players and recruits love the guy. Lets stop pushing good assistants out the door.
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Not trying to push him out the door. Not saying I want him gone, just that if he did leave he's hardly irreplaceable based on how I believe his WR Corps performed this year. Thigpen is irreplaceable ... Not Z.

I believe the lack of a passing game was as much the WRs fault as the QB...Butch constantly said as much. They ran the wrong routes, the ran routes at improper depths, and they dropped a ton of balls. Josh Smith, who Z claimed had the best hands and ball skills on the team got progressively worse all season..... he couldn't catch syphillus in a whorehouse. Croom had 18 catches all year, Pig had 3 good games and nobody other than North was a threat to do anything. 17 receiving yards vs Vandy until the last drive....17. No way that's all on Dobbs. They tried to throw 2 easy routes early and both were picked.... I think both were due to poor routes by the WR.... I know the second was. That's why they went away from throwing anything other than bubble and WR screens the whole night.... they didn't trust a single WR on the roster (and to some extent Dobbs as well).

I'm just saying, there was some talent at WR last year and it didn't appear to me that it was even remotely maximized.
 
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KBVol said:
Not trying to push him out the door. Not saying I want him gone, just that if he did leave he's hardly irreplaceable based on how I believe his WR Corps performed this year. Thigpen is irreplaceable ... Not Z.

I believe the lack of a passing game was as much the WRs fault as the QB...Butch constantly said as much. They ran the wrong routes, the ran routes at improper depths, and they dropped a ton of balls. Josh Smith, who Z claimed had the best hands and ball skills on the team got progressively worse all season..... he couldn't catch syphillus in a whorehouse. Croom had 18 catches all year, Pig had 3 good games and nobody other than North was a threat to do anything. 17 receiving yards vs Vandy until the last drive....17. No way that's all on Dobbs. They tried to throw 2 easy routes early and both were picked.... I think both were due to poor routes by the WR.... I know the second was. That's why they went away from throwing anything other than bubble and WR screens the whole night.... they didn't trust a single WR on the roster (and to some extent Dobbs as well).

I'm just saying, there was some talent at WR last year and it didn't appear to me that it was even remotely maximized.
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Bolded is not the fault of coaches. The rest I agree with but the group had zero upperclassman leadership which is really rare. Intrested to see the jump the group makes next season.
 
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big harry said:
Bolded is not the fault of coaches. The rest I agree with but the group had zero upperclassman leadership which is really rare. Intrested to see the jump the group makes next season.
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If there's a consistent pattern of drops I think it does fall back to the coaches. If not then sit the kid or kids who keep dropping passes and they didn't do that. Smith played heavy minutes throughout the season despite clearly having the worst game day hands on the team. I agree, I hope they collectively take a big jump year 2, but I still maintain my disappointment with the WR Corps' lack of progression through the season.
 
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KBVol said:
If there's a consistent pattern of drops I think it does fall back to the coaches. If not then sit the kid or kids who keep dropping passes and they didn't do that. Smith played heavy minutes throughout the season despite clearly having the worst game day hands on the team. I agree, I hope they collectively take a big jump year 2, but I still maintain my disappointment with the WR Corps' lack of progression through the season.
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This usually means there was no alternative which goes to show what coach Z had to work with.
 
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Rockytoptalker said:
Ga. Southern is a respectable FCS program. It seems odd that they would hire anyone from any school who's never held a position as an OC or DC.
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Actually .... They're now FBS. They'll be in the Sunbelt next season.
 
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sjt18 said:
There are better position coaches. Baggett comes to mind right off the top of my head.
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This. This. This...all day long. Paul Harris was a good WR. A tall, fast WR....and could have been a big weapon for us this year and the next few. I had a feeling that him not getting any playing time...especially after being an EE....was going to lead to him leaving. Sure enough, it did.

I'm sure folks are going to disagree, but I've said it over and over and it's the absolute reality of the matter....coaches are fallible. They are fallible in their evaluations. And in their coaching. If it were not so, then coaches would have tenure....just like College Professors. But they do not. They get fired as often as they get hired...if not more so.

With that in view, because I see Harris and Croom being underutilized this year, I would not care one bit to see Azzani go, and CBJ look for a better one. I wouldn't mind seeing Baggett brought back, personally. Hunter and Rogers both said he was one of the main reason's they chose UT. Arnett said the same thing.
 
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KBVol said:
Not trying to push him out the door. Not saying I want him gone, just that if he did leave he's hardly irreplaceable based on how I believe his WR Corps performed this year. Thigpen is irreplaceable ... Not Z.

I believe the lack of a passing game was as much the WRs fault as the QB...Butch constantly said as much. They ran the wrong routes, the ran routes at improper depths, and they dropped a ton of balls. Josh Smith, who Z claimed had the best hands and ball skills on the team got progressively worse all season..... he couldn't catch syphillus in a whorehouse. Croom had 18 catches all year, Pig had 3 good games and nobody other than North was a threat to do anything. 17 receiving yards vs Vandy until the last drive....17. No way that's all on Dobbs. They tried to throw 2 easy routes early and both were picked.... I think both were due to poor routes by the WR.... I know the second was. That's why they went away from throwing anything other than bubble and WR screens the whole night.... they didn't trust a single WR on the roster (and to some extent Dobbs as well).

I'm just saying, there was some talent at WR last year and it didn't appear to me that it was even remotely maximized.
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VolnJC said:
Lashlee denied he had any interest in the position

Georgia Southern: Despite a report on another website, Auburn offensive coordinator Rhett Lashlee has NOT interviewed and has no interest in the Georgia Southern job, a source has confirmed with CoachingSearch.
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I think Lashee's looking at a bigger offer in the near future...one more successful season, like this year, and he gone. Gone to a bigger coaching destination....like Florida's, if Muschamp can't get it done next year.
 
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tim said:
Tee is probably looking for a job closer to his son.
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I hope not. After the putdowns and vilifications hurled his way on VN, he should run as far from the UT as possible. He'd be ruin out of town if he so much as wore a tie that was orange and Navajo white instead of satin or plain white. He doesn't need the grief from people who harbor such ugly attitudes.

Now, as for coach Z, I have mixed feelings. A lot worked against him the past season, a lot. A big part of me wants him to stay so we get a better idea of what he can do with a full year. Part of me wishes we could lure Frank Reich or John McNulty. But that's a pipe dream, and I know it.
 
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jkleno said:
I wouldn't bash you at all. Bottom line is that you have to go all in with CBJ and any hires or fires he might make. However, he decided to play her "music" during the games, I might have to reconsider. Can you imagine that on the Jumbotron?
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Amen. I heard vehicle crashes that sound better
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
This. This. This...all day long. Paul Harris was a good WR. A tall, fast WR....and could have been a big weapon for us this year and the next few. I had a feeling that him not getting any playing time...especially after being an EE....was going to lead to him leaving. Sure enough, it did.

I'm sure folks are going to disagree, but I've said it over and over and it's the absolute reality of the matter....coaches are fallible. They are fallible in their evaluations. And in their coaching. If it were not so, then coaches would have tenure....just like College Professors. But they do not. They get fired as often as they get hired...if not more so.

With that in view, because I see Harris and Croom being underutilized this year, I would not care one bit to see Azzani go, and CBJ look for a better one. I wouldn't mind seeing Baggett brought back, personally. Hunter and Rogers both said he was one of the main reason's they chose UT. Arnett said the same thing.
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Lol how does that happen? Do random people drop by your house and fire you from jobs you never had??
 
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Basing the competence of a WR coach on the product being produced on Saturday's with the talent, youth, and inexperience we had at WR and QB is exactly what was meant by my earlier post. It's complete ignorance. The former walk-on WR at Wisconsin probably has some nice things to say about his coaching. Notice I have not stated one way or the other on his competence. He might not be a great WR coach but for us to act like we actually know that at this point just does not make you look good. Because there is no way for me (and you guys) to accurately gauge that based on the what resources we have available to us. People in the business, who do have the resources to know his knowledge, seem to think somewhat highly of him.

I understand this is a message board and that opinions and views are kind of the point of a message board. I am not saying anybody 'cant' share these views. I am just pointing out my view that it is hilarious how people truly believe they know how good of a coach these guys are.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
This. This. This...all day long. Paul Harris was a good WR. A tall, fast WR....and could have been a big weapon for us this year and the next few. I had a feeling that him not getting any playing time...especially after being an EE....was going to lead to him leaving. Sure enough, it did.

I'm sure folks are going to disagree, but I've said it over and over and it's the absolute reality of the matter....coaches are fallible. They are fallible in their evaluations. And in their coaching. If it were not so, then coaches would have tenure....just like College Professors. But they do not. They get fired as often as they get hired...if not more so.

With that in view, because I see Harris and Croom being underutilized this year, I would not care one bit to see Azzani go, and CBJ look for a better one. I wouldn't mind seeing Baggett brought back, personally. Hunter and Rogers both said he was one of the main reason's they chose UT. Arnett said the same thing.
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So it was the WR coaches fault that Paul Harris was homesick and did not have any desire to practice and compete for playing time. There is a reason he is transferring and it is not because of his position coach.
 
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So Z didn't impress? No TE, no breakaway rb, 3 qbs including a true freshman, d2 level wr's, but North gets freshman accolades for AA.
How does one judge not impressed? Because josh smith dropped one a game?
 
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Spartacavolus said:
So Z didn't impress? No TE, no breakaway rb, 3 qbs including a true freshman, d2 level wr's, but North gets freshman accolades for AA.
How does one judge not impressed? Because josh smith dropped one a game?
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Whoa, whoa, whoa....this is no place for logical thoughts. Dem boys at WR dun got a bad coach and dat is why our team dun sucked this season!
 
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volgrad500 said:
Lol how does that happen? Do random people drop by your house and fire you from jobs you never had??
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Nope, but a fired HC doesn't necessarily mean someone new is hired to fill that role. How you ask? One word. Promotion. Ask Phillip Fulmer how that works.
 
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I don't get all the coach Z hate. The guy has recruited really well for us, and he's a very energetic and passionate coach. You can't blame the bad WR play on a WR coach when the play calls are terrible and the QB can't hit a WR in stride. It's hard for a WR to get in a groove when he's consistently having to make great play after great play because of poorly thrown balls. I swear half this board thinks freshman who are 4 stars and above should come in and start right away and be just like Justin Hunter, etc. So many people complain about issues that aren't even a real problem as to why we are so bad right now, like coach Z for instance. You want to complain, complain about Mike Baj. simplistic play calling and Jancek's QB spy zone coverage that gives up 200 plus rushing yards a game on average.
 
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Brentwoodvolfan said:
You think Z coached them to drop balls??? You guys are hilarious!! Think North got any better, or even Croon for that fact. Gee what he had was young and you need to give it time. Last thing we need is for him to leave and start over!! You might want to check with OC also as he calls plays for receivers to run to get open. Heard all yr about them looking good in practice, but haven't brought to game. IMO that's youth not coach in 1st year. If you don't see big improvement next yr then flame away, but give guy more than 1 yr!!
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Nobody's saying "he coached them to drop balls". What I'm saying is that he was unable to coach the drop balls out of them. He was also unable, evidently, to coach them to run the correct routes at the correct yardage and to create any separation and get open. Again, I give you the Vandy game as evidence... the 11th game of the season. They were worse that game than at any point of the season.

I'm not saying get rid of Z. I'm saying I saw no evidence that he did a good job with the WRs based on how they performed.... they were bad as a whole.

I think North has great potential and got much better as the year went on. I don't think an 18 catch season from 6'5" 225 LB Croom can be used as evidence that Z did a good job. Did Croom get better? I guess... at least he stopped dropping TD passes like he did vs APSU and WKU.

Hopefully the arrival of Pearson and Malone makes Z look like a better coach since they are more talented than any WR we currently have on the roster outside of North. We'll see.
 
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