I do not wanna do this here in consideration of the actual topic of the thread. You can catch me in the other forum on occasion and there is plenty of material available for your education. This will be my last response unless you say something that just has to be defended.
You’ve proven yourself beyond ignorant and you continue to. What makes you worthy of diagnosing and solving a centuries long problem in this country. You’re coming across as if you cannot see the other side at all. You even admit below you grew up sheltered.
Well... objective facts. The experience of a nation and what works and what does not. And the historic product of the poison you're drinking.
The truth here is that one of us wants EVERYONE to succeed and live profitable, safe, and happy lives... and KNOWS it is available. Two of you cannot abide that unless white people are punished for the past... and not just the past but a revisionist conjuring of the past.
This is such an incredibly dumb argument on so many levels and it seems you are hanging your ultimate conclusion on it. Did you know there are more single white parents than single AA parents?? It isn’t close either. What’s your next excuse? All the way into propensity? Racism will not go away by putting your head in the sand and screaming it does not exist. It is still incredibly prevalent today. The vestiges of yesteryears have not fully been eliminated.
Well, yes. It is a growing problem. There was a generation when black illegitimacy climbed when grandparents, churches, and communities did a reasonably good job of substituting for the nuclear family. But that solution has never lasted over time. It didn't for the black community and it won't for white people either. It isn't racism. It isn't a problem of skin color. It is cultural decay.... and it has a predictable end.
I grew up near the Qualla Indian Reservation. If those in the 60's and 70's wanted to see what illegitimacy and welfare "generosity" would do to any community... they only had to visit any Indian Reservation. It destroys.
You have to understand you’re exercising sheltered and close-minded white privileged logic to be objective. We cannot have a sincere convo until you do.
No. You have to realize that objective TRUTH outweighs your anger and feelings about historical events. You have to realize that all of that stuff you are believing has no good end to it. It won't fix what's wrong... it only breeds more hatred. If you can only be satisfied by someone else's suffering and your whole ideal depends on that... then no.. I don't need to join you to be "objective".
History isn't changeable. The future is. The only way history can hurt you is if you assume yourself to be a victim of it.
Do you know what white privilege is? It’s the ability to take for granted issues that do not affect you. It encompasses the act of being born in a poor white community, but being able to put a suit on to blend in with the majority. Simply put, you do not understand or recognize problems that AAs face on a daily basis. You continuing to comment as if you’re an expert makes you ignorant. People like you do so much incredible disservice to progress. It’s time for you to stop talking and become educated if you truly want to make a difference.
Pure... unadulterated... non-sense. Get inner city black kids to stop making girls pregnant everywhere, use their God given talents, and "put a suit on"... then get back to me on why it is my fault they aren't succeeding.
I have news for you. Companies are looking for great employees and virtually NONE of them care about their skin color. Do you know why Hispanic immigrants stay employed? Because they have great values and work ethics by and large.
Black people have challenges. Many have more challenges than many white people. But the opportunities are absolutely ENDLESS. And what if black men and women started creating strong nuclear families that build safe communities like the poor one I grew up in? What if black people could open businesses in inner city black communities without fear of crime?
You have YET to prove me "ignorant" or racist or any of the other names you've called me. You have yet to demonstrate ANY of this non-sense you spew objectively or factually. You have done nothing but make excuses and blamed others.
No one has an "equal" opportunity for success. We have different talents and abilities. We have different situations and opportunities. But you use that as an excuse not for people not to take advantage of all the talent and opportunity available to them. Yeah. I reject that. I reject it from white people, black people, and any other shade. And... it is exactly the rejection of that idea that lies at the core of the "privilege" that so offends you.
I live this life every single day. I don't have your privilege. You cannot tell me about my experiences or my oppressors. You clearly have no idea and choose to be ignorant.
You are seeing phantoms where there is nothing really but wide open opportunity. You are hobbling yourself now... you don't need any racists to do it for you. How has anyone "oppressed" you in such a way that you could not run around or over them? What "privilege" did you need to move on to the next opportunity?
When I graduated college my desire was to commission into the regular Army out of ROTC. That was in an age when two things were happening. One, the military was drawing down from Cold War levels. Two, affirmative action was being applied to assure minorities and women were given active duty and choice assignments. I didn't get active duty.... and was fully aware that my grades and scores were better than others who did. I could have blamed black people or women or whoever. I could have let it cripple me. Instead, I became the best reserve officer I could be and started what has become a successful private career.... and yes a lot of doors have been closed in my face on that path too. I've been fired unfairly. I've had bosses who stole credit for my success to get themselves promoted. And... honestly... I've failed at times.
The thing I didn't do is quit and start playing the victim. You shouldn't either. You should apply that anger to being determined to succeed regardless. The opportunities are EVERYWHERE.
It’s time to wake up now. America for you is not the same as America for everyone else.
Sure it is. You have freedom. You have talent. You have opportunity. You can make choices. You don't have to accept anyone else's "no" as the limit to your success in life. And frankly as a black guy... you can go get loans and grants to start a business or enhance your education that I can't get. White privilege isn't holding you back. You are.
This country was not founded on the bolded values,
I assume you meant biblical or Judeo-Christian... and in that you are factually wrong. And no, even major moral failures do not disprove that any more than slavery is legitimized by the fact that the first permanent slave in America was won in a court case... and his master was another black man.
and today, racism and inequality exist as a product.
Nope. Racism exists because people, like you, hate others based on their skin color. That's the ONLY reason it continues to exist. The solution is simply to stop hating people because of their skin color and to reject those you meet who do.
Please stop talking in absolutes and go get educated. That’s your responsibility as the privileged. You have to go further than your own “common sense.”
Please stop regurgitating ignorant, baseless talking points that really have no meaning. I don't deny that black INDIVIDUALS face challenges or that sometimes they're VERY difficult. But they are only made impossible by the victim mentality that YOU are promoting and professing.
