Coaching Carousel in Hindsight, turned into.. something else

[OG.V83]

So you think calling someone a name is worse than forcing a couple out of business because they politely declined to make a cake for a homosexual wedding specifically because it violated their conscience? Or literally years of legal harassment of a Christian photographer for doing the same even though other photographers were available? You think calling someone a name is worse than having your children subjected to public school indoctrination in direct contradiction to clear biblical morality?


And some of the most dangerous things to religious liberty today... are the comments and actions of those who care more about being "tolerant" than they are the suppression of other Christians.

Jesus forgave the repentant. He didn't excuse or show "tolerance" for sin. In His words, "Go your way and sin no more".

So basically what you're saying is that we have much bigger problems than racist comments made in an email from over a decade ago? Man I couldn't agree more.
Our country has been hijacked by a vast world-conspiritorial network, freedoms being sh*t on everywhere we turn but, by all means, let's all focus on this bs.
Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. He said it. He meant it. Nobody defend his azz.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

You are correct, very few people do what Gruden did. I'm not defending Gruden, per se. Personally, I think he is an anachronistic knucklehead who loves himself a bit too much. I am lambasting cancel culture, though. And I really wasn't being sarcastic. If you care to do so, I would be interested in why you think it is ok to demean some people and not others. Where do you personally draw the line, and is that good enough for the mob with their torches? Will it be ok for the future mob with their torches? Perhaps you can provide examples of the off-color jokes and the thoughts about a person's appearance that you have that you deem acceptable to keep you in "good person" status and we can let the Twitter jury decide your fate.

Gruden being gone isn't "cancel culture"

 

[USAFgolferVol]

So basically what you're saying is that we have much bigger problems than racist comments made in an email from over a decade ago? Man I couldn't agree more.
Our country has been hijacked by a vast world-conspiritorial network, freedoms being sh*t on everywhere we turn but, by all means, let's all focus on this bs.
Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. He said it. He meant it. Nobody defend his azz.

There's more in the last few years that have come out. It wasn't just one email from 10 years ago

 

[OG.V83]

There's more in the last few years that have come out. It wasn't just one email from 10 years ago

Yes I know. But dont let this stuff distract from bigger problems. Gruden is finished and he should be. If we strain at a nat but swallow a camel, then we all lose

 

[cobbwebb0710]

Gruden's highly offensive emails were identified and uncovered in the NFL investigation of workplace practices at the Washington Football Team, forwarded to Mr. Allen at a time when Gruden was working for ESPN and working in the broadcast team of Monday Night Football.

It is unfortunate, but probably the end of the Grumors in Big Orange Country.

So this came to the surface when the FBI raided the Washington football complex, last week?
GBO!!

 

[Sara Clark]

WE all should agree these comments were inappropriate. But we should also acknowledge that all people are not held to the same standard. If you are liked, it's brushed under the rug, if someone wants rid of you...well, you're gone.

 

[DC_Vol]

Gruden is gone, now the NFL should get rid of those who enabled him

 

[Fullfillmer]

So this came to the surface when the FBI raided the Washington football complex, last week?
GBO!!

Which begs the bigger question- who at the FBI leaked all of this to the press - destroying this guy’s career ? And why ? And is it even legal ?
Their investigation had nothing to do with coach jg .

 

[MurphyVol]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but word for word excerpts haven't come out yet? So far this is all I've seen that has supposedly been confirmed

labeled President Joe Biden a "p****," according to a report.

called NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell a "fa****" and a "clueless anti-football p****."

wrote that Goodell shouldn't have pressured the then-St. Louis Rams to draft "queers,"

referring to DeMaurice Smith, the executive director of the NFL Players Association, the report said.
"Dumboriss Smith has lips the size of Michelin tires," he said.

trading topless photos of WFT cheerleaders

He denounced the emergence of women as referees

In several instances, Gruden used a homophobic slur to refer to Goodell and offensive language to describe some N.F.L. owners, coaches and journalists who cover the league.

exchanged emails with Allen and other men that included photos of women wearing only bikini bottoms (non- WFT cheerleaders)

They were being sent from his personal email to Allen's and others work accounts

Some of the emails between Gruden and Allen also included businessmen friends, Ed Droste, the co-founder of Hooters; Jim McVay, an executive who has run the Outback Bowl, annually held in Tampa, Fla.; and Nick Reader, the founder of PDQ Restaurants, a Tampa-based fried chicken franchise.

Supposedly, the oldest ones found date back to 2010, which would have put Gruden around 47 years old.

In one email from 2015 that includes Droste, McVay and others, Gruden crudely asked Allen to tell Bryan Glazer, whose family owns the Tampa Bay Buccaneers where Gruden coached until 2008, to perform oral sex on him. Allen said Glazer would “take you up on that offer.”

 

[jaguinn5]

Off topic but I really don't agree with this. Gruden in my humble opinion should not be forced to resign because of something he said or emailed 10 years ago. I think this is really unfair because when this happened he didn't have this job.

REPORT: Jon Gruden Received Images Of Washington Cheerleaders Being Forced To Pose Topless

Gruden absolutely deserves to get raked over the coals. Accountability and consequences matter.

 

[iBleedOrangeWhite]

OK, while waiting for the haters from all walks, I say this. I'm woke (one of those who actually understands what that means as opposed to the over-reactive emotionalism) and I agree with you, Eastknox. This instant and retro-active judgment is ridiculous. No human is misstep-free, we're all fallible. And sometimes we're just plain stupid in our choices. However, the wisest among us via time, experience, and allowing our inner decency to arise, change for the better, even if only slightly. For me the question is not what you did or said, but after that, what did you learn? By learn, I mean eventually realized and confronted your misstep, then did something, about it, namely modified your behavior to avoid repeating it. These days, it seems nobody looks at that. Instead, folks goes all Jerry Springer, just forking lusting for drama and to condemn with glee. To me, it makes one more disgusting than the target person's original offense. But for those who haven't or even refused to change, they deserve the meat grinder. Gruden shouldn't have resigned, I've warned condemning factions, including those among the woke, this behavior IS going to backfire and breed increasing resentment. However, like all of humanity, common sense just isn't common, so they just proceed as usual. And to think the bulk of them on both sides of the coin tend to refer to themselves as Christians while practicing hypocritical attitudes and behavior. It's sickening.

I agree with this logic, although, instant retroactive outrage is justified and I’d argue completely necessary at times. Specifically in cases of sexual assault, pedophilia, hate crimes, and grand theft/larceny. But that policy goes out the window when it comes to personal/character flaws or mistakes. We’ve all had moments of weakness and anger where we’ve lashed out and said something hurtful. It’s just as hurtful for a person with a thyroid condition to be called fat as it is for a gay person to be called a homophobic slur or a person of color to be called a racial slur. You are just as guilty as the racist “Karens” and homophobic “Kyles” if you’ve ever made fun of another human being for a physical or psychological condition that made them different. This isn’t to justify or excuse the racists and bigoted people’s actions, I’m just saying those who live in glass houses shouldn’t cast stones. People need to step down from the high horses and open up their eyes. Self righteousness and hypocrisy is so rampant amongst today’s world and it’s completely destroying the fabric of society.

Should we hold people accountable for their transgressions? Absolutely! Should we carry on with this 21st century witch hunt? Absolutely not!

 

[BenGrimm]

If it were something like dangerous or seriously horrible……maybe.

But really old email and it seems he was trying to be funny…….in a tasteless way….come on.

Now maybe I’m missing something……I only saw the one thing…….and don’t get me wrong I don’t agree with it. However like you said…..10 years ago before he had the job.

If he was winning it probably wouldn’t have mattered. It’s already obvious he isn’t getting the job done and this is an easy way to fire him with cause.

 

[sjt18]

So basically what you're saying is that we have much bigger problems than racist comments made in an email from over a decade ago? Man I couldn't agree more.

Yes. But more than that. I think racism continues to be fueled primarily by those who are perpetually "offended" and who think of themselves as victims than by actual racists. There was a time when people could not escape true, institutionalized, socially accepted racism. We no longer live in that day. Those are now the islands rather than the sea.

Our country has been hijacked by a vast world-conspiritorial network, freedoms being sh*t on everywhere we turn but, by all means, let's all focus on this bs.
Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. He said it. He meant it. Nobody defend his azz.

I'm not Gruden's defender. What he said was classless and offensive. I don't even care if it costs him his job and career. That's up to those who pay him.

I do care about the imbalance our nutty society has when it comes to actual acts that suppress people's rights vs those who are "offended" by someone's words.

I have worked for, with, and over people of all colors in my life. I have worked with a lot of people from different cultures and outlooks. Some I've liked and gravitated to... some I've simply tolerated and honored their rights to do what they like. But those who do not wish to associate with others... have that RIGHT. No one should be compelled to accept my religious pov... nor should someone be compelled to accept the notions on sexual morality held by the secular left.

It wouldn't bother me in the least to have that poster talk to the people who've worked with me about whether I've shown them respect or not. I love people... even those I disagree with and cannot in good conscience associate with in some ways.

 

[butchna]

Gruden is gone, now the NFL should get rid of those who enabled him

That’s why you can’t have PROGRESS. Because the very first reaction is cut the brakes and run through the barricade! Woe be to you if you responded “lol”! You’ll never work again!

 

[GrizzlyVol]

I for one am glad they did not hire that a$$clown.

He'll get them some 9 and 10 win seasons, which don't get me wrong I would love, it's been so long. He'll never coach them to a championship I don't believe

 

[WilcoVolsFan]

Yes. But more than that. I think racism continues to be fueled primarily by those who are perpetually "offended" and who think of themselves as victims than by actual racists.

Anyone want to bet on what race this guy is?

 

[MurphyVol]

Anyone want to bet on what race this guy is?

I'll go with Inuit

 

[rdk4121]

Glad we missed on Tony Elliott in particular. Clemson is averaging like 15ppg against FBS schools. He's another Chad Morris.

We're having as good of a year as any of those coaches we were after.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Deleted. Not sure I can get the humor right on this one.

To each his own

 

[Wylo]

Anyone want to bet on what race this guy is?

Yes. My thoughts exactly. Anyone that says it's the victims fault is easy to tell their race, gender, motive....

 

[sjt18]

Anyone want to bet on what race this guy is?

Anyone want to bet that only a racist would care?

 

[JoAllan]

Glad we missed on Tony Elliott in particular. Clemson is averaging like 15ppg against FBS schools. He's another Chad Morris.

We're having as good of a year as any of those coaches we were after.

whew…….

I really thought he would have been a good one. That was the one guy I was hoping for.

Heck who knows…..maybe he’ll be a good head coach one day……but I’m with you…..right now, for Tennessee, they probably dodged a bullet.

I must say, I wasn’t even thinking Heupel…..really at all. When he became the guy……I thought “heck” he’s better than most of the coaches I was even thinking of……with a big upside and room to grow.

 

[sjt18]

Yes. My thoughts exactly. Anyone that says it's the victims fault is easy to tell their race, gender, motive....

Define victim. You are not a victim because someone else succeeds. You are not a victim because someone else minding their own business has a more peaceful and successful life than you do. You are NOT a victim if the sum of your own choices is the primary reason you do poorly.

The people who were/are told they could not go to a particular college because of their skin color were victims. People who were fully qualified for business loans but were denied due to their skin color were victims.

Those who are products of a bad culture who do not qualify for a particular job or opportunity may be victims... but it isn't of racism.

 

[Wylo]

Anyone want to bet that only a racist would care?

Funny how youth defend the system which has been proven time and again that it was set up to hold minorities, women, and anyone else that wasn't white males back. Victim shaming is what predators do. I bet you blame women for getting attacked, too.

 

[Sara Clark]

@sjt18 Your original comment reminds me of a discussion I had with a young black lady a year or so ago. A friend of mine who has a photography business decided she wanted to do free portraits of young black people only, this was just after the Floyd killing. She offered free portraits of which she posted to facebook daily. However, there was a stipulation, she had a questionnaire that had to be answered, the questions were the same for everyone, the questions and answers were posted along with their beautiful portrait.

One question: Do you recall the first time you experienced racism? The young lady's answer goes like this; I was in the 4th grade, my teacher who was white always picked on me about my work. She did that because I was black. Because I know the young lady, I followed up with a couple of questions. 1) Were you the only black person in the class? No 2) How many black people were in your class? I was 1 of three 3.) Yet she picked on you, not the others? Yes 4.) How do you know that she didn't think she had a student who was capable of doing more than what she was doing and decided to push you to do better? I never thought of that.

At any rate, because of your comment, it made me think of that. Have a good day!